Asus ROG GL702VS (GTX 1070 Kaby Lake) - I own one

I was recently looking into new laptops, and I could find almost no information on this laptop from someone who owns one. I have one, and I'm reasonably happy with it. It's not perfect, but providing the hardware stands the test of time, I'm glad I bought it.

I bought it from HIDevolution whom I have had excellent service from, but got it from their Amazon UK store, as import taxes and delivery costs to Europe were making it too expensive. I do wish I'd been able to buy one from their UK store that had been repasted. Because as you'll see on the imgur link below, the temps aren't amazingly excessive, but could definitely do with being lower, even with undervolting.

I uploaded a few benchmarking screenshots with descriptions to imgur. Rather than write out the whole post again I thought I'd just link to it.

http://imgur.com/gallery/ydjyW

If you have any burning questions you'd like to ask, fire away!

 

@Donald@HIDevolution may offer advice on whether you can repaste yourself. HID's warranty is a lot better than most default ones.

 

I would imagine not, I think the only reason why you still get a warranty from Asus is because HIDevolution do the repasting themselves. I did speak to Donald when I was researching what to buy, he was very helpful.

 

You could get a cooling pad to improve airflow or check Asus' site for a BIOS that raises the fan speed - by default GL series are made to run quiet rather than cool.

Also - test with games - Fire Strike is a lot more demanding than most games. Hell, if a game such as Witcher 3 produces decent temps, I see no reason to worry.

 

I don't currently have any triple A titles, because coming from a 5 year old laptop, I couldn't run them! For Honor and Forza Horizon 3 are the newest games I currently have. When I've downloaded them (Forza is over 50gb!) I'll test them out. Mind you, when not even underclocked, Kerbal Space Program managed to get the CPUs to around 92, I noticed the temps after about an hour of gaming... at minus -140 seems to be more like 88-89.

I did check for bios updates, but there aren't any currently, and I do have a cooling pad, but it doesn't seem to make much difference - cooling pads introduce turbulence for a lot of laptops, and it's often better to actually have the pad's fans off. The pad worked well for my old laptop, but not so much for this one.

 

Question - did you run the game at 60fps or 200fps? That makes a BIG difference

 

Kerbal seems to be locked to the refresh rate of the monitor. I was seeing a maximum of 120fps most of the time, and if there was a lot going on I managed to get it to drop to 50fps. Gsync is off btw. So yeah, quite high temps even when it's not running at an excessive fps.

 

120 is quite high - the CPU is probably being pushed. Though that's no excuse for high temps on Asus' part - while 90*C max is not dangerous and those are certainly spikes - most of the time it likely runs at 80-85*C, you can a few other tricks to reduce them if you're paranoid like me

 

I don't know, I don't think they are spikes, when I've been watching the benchmarks the temps seem to creep up slowly but surely and don't really come down unless the benchmark stops. I'll do some additional testing over the next couple of days. I do love a bit of Kerbal Space Prgram!

But despite the high readings, the unit itself doesn't seem to get too hot. The right hand side of the keyboard (where the GPU sits) gets a bit warm when benchmarking, but not uncomfortably so and your hands wouldn't be there when gaming anyway. It seems to shift the heat out of the unit quite well, so it doesnt feel that hot, and I'd imagine you could comfortably game with it on your lap, it just seems maybe that's still not achieving enough cooling to cool the CPU sufficiently. Higher fan rates would probably help I think. At the end of the day, it's still a very portable machine that's packing a lot of power, so it's bound to get hot, I just hope it is built well from a reliability point of view. My old laptop used to get pretty damn hot, but still lasted me 5 years, and I'd like the same kind of life out of this one.

 

and I wouldn't consider 120fps that high - considering the age and low gpu load of the game - especially for a machine with a brand new kaby lake i7 and a GTX 1070 in it!

 

However the touchpad drivers definitely need fixing - the pad constantly freezes, it drives me crazy! When it's working, it's a really really nice touchpad, it's just it seems that it flakes out way too much right now.

 

Touchpad? It should use precision drivers and those are phenomenal (at least mine does) - is yours Elan by chance?

Also, benchmarks are not like games - benches have a constant 100% load whereas games the load will usually vary by a lot. Hence why testing with games is always preferable. And 120 is indeed high frame-rate - 60 being average and 30 being low.

 

I believe the touchpad is synaptics not windows precision. It does still work if I don't install any drivers, but it seems the problem with the touchpad flaking out is marginally worse than if I install the Asus Touchpad and PTP drivers. It does work very well, when it's working.

Well sadly, I don't think these temps are limited to benchmarks. From my experience running a couple of newer games, some games are just as hard work on the system as the benchmarks. I'm still at -140mV, but after about 15 minutes on Forza Horizon 3 (which does look very nice indeed), the CPU utilisation was 100%, temps were as high as 93deg C, and the GPU was up at about 78. Oh, and I would have tested longer but the game crashed out to windows without a single error message. If this is how it behaves playing games, I guess there's the possibility I might have to send the thing back...

Edit: Game crashed again, this time it restarted the whole PC. Temps were up at about 93 for the CPU and 80 for the GPU. Gonna try again with no underclock to see if it still crashes and what the temps will be.

 

Dial back the OC by 20mV - well, that's what happens when you have the CPU running at 100% constant. Though yes, if the temps make you uncomfortable, then returning it for a different laptop or repasting are the only options.

It's sad to see that the current GL702 series use Synaptic touchpads - the Maxwell ones were Windows Precision.

 

Actually, I've double checked and in the device manager it says "Asus Precision Touchpad", so I guess I was wrong!

As for the temps, I did a trial with no overclock and the system stayed stable, meaning the -140mV undervolt was too aggressive. With no undervolt, after playing more than half an hour of Forza, CPU temps were 99 deg C (82 on the GPU) though, so that's no good. I applied a -120mV underclock and it seems stable, and the temps are 90 deg C on the CPU and 79 on the GPU, which still seems a little hot to me. I'd appreciate any information anyone has on how hot their systems get, and whether you think the laptop will have a good life length if it's regularly achieving these temps. I do like my long gaming sessions!

All the while the temps were this hot, the laptop is warm but not uncomfortable to touch and the fans are very tolerable, even with volume on mute. The fans are easily covered by the speakers, so perhaps they could use ramping up in a bios setting. I don't currently have the Asus Rog Gaming center installed after I rebuilt the laptop. I have a suspicion it has the option to apply fan profiles, so I'll try installing that and seeing how I get along. If it doesn't have the setting, I'll try speedfan or something.

EDIT: One thing I have done is disable the Turbo Boost on the CPU by setting the maximum processor state to 99% in windows power options. Doesn't seem to make a noticeable difference to game performance, but after a short stint of Forza I've now had maximum CPU temps of 82. I'm not sure if I'll get higher temps by playing longer, I'll keep testing.

 

So - those temps are mainly due to the fan profile. Here's my story on the GL502VT

With BIOS 203 and turbo enabled I'd max out at 93*C on the CPU and 86*C on the GPU
With BIOS 300 and turbo enabled I'd max out at 86*C CPU and 79*C GPU (this was much louder tho)
With BIOS 203 and turbo disabled I'd max out at 79*C CPU and 76*C GPU (quiet and sort of cool?)

Can't really remember undervolt numbers but I'm using stock paste.

Well - 90*C and lower is fine for the CPU and the GPU should stay under 86*C according to Nvidia's throttling implementation so it's your call - if you repaste with IC DIamon or LM you'll probably drop to about 83*C under max load with enabled turbo boost and the other option is to keep the CPU @ 2.8GHz - it's your call. Or you could exchange it for something like an Alienware (which would be larger but cooler) or an MSI GS73 (which would be cooler but much louder).

 

I was originally going to wait for the MSI GS73VR with the 1070. I've heard it's coming, but I'd already been without a laptop for nearly 3 months, and it was killing me trying to get stuff done with only a tablet! I tried contacting HIDevolution a couple of times regarding the expected release date of the MSI, but never had a response. I didn't want to wait any longer, as I was originally very interested in the model you have and have pretty much been waiting since that was announced. In the end I decided that the 1060 wasn't quite enough for me, so I waited for longer, until I discovered Asus had changed the cooling system and chucked in a 1070!

I was going to go for a repaste of liquid metal by HIDevolution, but like I mentioned earlier, ordering from their website added more than I could afford to the cost of the laptop, and took longer than ordering from the Amazon UK store too as just as I had finally decided that I couldn't wait any longer and had made my final decision to buy this laptop I found a configuration that had next day delivery! I'd also read reports by Hmscott saying that the Asus paste they use on their gaming laptops is very good and usually doesn't need to be replaced, so I decided to go for the cheaper, quicker delivered option. I do kind of wish now I'd paid the extra cash and waited a little longer by having the liquid metal repaste done.

For Honor has partially downloaded and allowed me to play the tutorial. After that, which probably took about 10-15 minutes, my Cores were hitting 90 max, and the GPU was around 79, all with a -120mV undervolt. Hopefully a bios update will come out soon to ramp the fan speed up, because Speedfan, and Notebook Fancontrol won't control the fans in this laptop at all. Unfortunately the programs simply do nothing on this system.

 

Seeing as the GL702VS has been out for half a year, I have no idea whether a BIOS update will come or if they'll release a GL703/GL503 instead. Hell, with Ryzen, that seems more likely. Well, you could always run without turbo if that doesn't affect performance.

 

Well has it actually been out for half a year? I don't think it has. The GL702VM, yeah, but not the GL702VS. I've been following laptop models closely since June last year when I was eagerly awaiting the Pascal release, and the VS only recently came to my attention. If it were available half a year ago I would have definitely bought one then. Add that to the fact that there are almost no reviews or user opinions (even here) out there, only 1 youtube video, a few european sellers have them but none of the high street shops do (despite selling the VM), and in the only place you can even buy one with a qwerty keyboard is imported from the U.S. From this evidence I would suggest that the VS model hasn't been out for very long at all.

 

The VS is the same unit as the VY but with a GPU/CPU chip upgrade - all else is the same.

 

Is this an older laptop? Because doing quote google search for GL702VY only brings back details of chargers, I can't find a single page with the laptop specs. Regardless, if it has a new CPU and GPU in it, it hardly counts as being a laptop that's been out for 6 months with unlikely bios updates. The new CPU and GPU would definitely make it worthy of continued bios enhancement - the last bios update may have been perfect for the model with a lower CPU and GPU in it, but that's definitely not the case for the current version. It's not like it's a new model with extra port support or different screen or something, the CPU and GPU have much more impact on a system than that!

 

When the GL502 series launched a year or so ago - they came in 2 variants - the thinner VT and the thicker VY. The Pascal editions (updates) came later in the form of the thinner VM and thicker VS. VT had a 970M upgrade to a 1060 whereas the VY had a 980M upgrade to a 1070 (as the TDPs of the Pascal GPUs are about 15W higher than their Maxwell counterparts thus cooling could still handle them at the expensive of 5-6*C higher temps)

 

Ah yes. Well in that case I would hope that Asus are continuing their bios development on the GL702VS, as being the only 17" GL series unit with a 1070, and different cooling from it's sibling the GL702VM, I believe it counts as new unit as far as bios development and fan speed optimisation is concerned. It definitely appears to be the same cooling solution they use on the 502, but whether it's the same motherboard remains to be seen. I'd be surprised if it was exactly the same mobo. Either way, it still counts as a different unit in my opinion, so I hope that Asus releases firmware that concentrates a bit on cooling rather than staying quiet.

Edit: Also I don't believe there was ever a 17" version of the VY, so this should definitely be treated as a new model imo.

 

What do you think of the build quality? is it good? Because I'm considering to get either Evoc P650 HS-G or this Asus laptop.

 

The build quality isn't that bad actually, when I try to flex the screen it immediately tries to resist, and doesn't flex much without effort. There isn't a great deal of keyboard flex either. There is a bit, but it's only niceable when I press the keyboard much harder than I think I ever would! As I type this the keys feel quite nice and defined to type on, I wouldn't say they're squishy at all. I would like some way to convert the function keys into media keys as I use the media controls much more often, and currently I need to use two hands to reach some of them and the function key at the same time. The touchpad is very good, when it works. If I right click the icons in the taskbar, sometimes it right click stops working. It's actually been worse since I reinstalled a fresh copy of windows 10. Usually turning the touchpad on and off works, but not always. But it's not a huge issue as I use an external mouse a lot of the time. The screen looks very nice, but it could be brighter in my opinion, but then I am coming from a laptop with an eye meltingly bright 3D screen.

I'm not a big fan of the fancy bios they've included, seems a bit short of options. Looks good though.

Apart from the heat issues, I quite like this laptop, it's big (compared to the MSI stealths), but not enormous and considerably thinner than almost every other 17 gaming laptop with a 1070. It's surprisingly light, although the power brick is the same size as my five year old gaming laptop.

In terms of the heat - I saw 99 degrees centrigrade on the CPU and 81 on the GPU after a bit of Witcher 3 at full quality with hairworks on. I don't remember the FPS dipping below 55 once, but it still got very hot. If you decide to go for it, I'd recommend going with a company like HIDeveolution who can repaste it. I don't know how much a liquid metal repaste would actually affect the temperatures, but I wish I had gone down that path, as at the moment the temperature readings (even after undervolting) are giving me slight concern before components start failing. I want this laptop to last about 5 years, and if the temps are up above 90 degrees when I'm gaming I'm not sure if it will last 3 years, let alone 5... Time will tell I guess, and when I'm playing games setting the fans to max in the ROG gaming centre will probably help.

As for the clevo, I looked through all of their models and just decided they were too thick and or heavy for my liking so I didn't really even consider them.

 

I had to sign up just to join in. I've been following this lineup for a while, and I just don't get how the temps can be so high on such a premium product. I've been looking so hard to find someone to debunk this now I feel like a climate science denier.

I did see that in the CES17 ASUS promo-video for the GL702VS, it had three internal fans (two large and one small). Didn't the old one have just two fans? I wonder if this is ASUS' response to the problem, and if it shows any real-world improvements.

The video they showed at CES: (see 0:47)

What do you guys think?

/Edit: Wrong video link.

 

17" models have 3 fans, 15" models have 2 fans.

As for temps - 99*C is indeed very high. Generally, you want CPU temps under 92*C and GPU temps under 87*C. The Maxwell/Skylake ones didn't really have such heat issues though. I guess Pascal is proving difficult to cool without crippling the TDP like Razer and a few others. That's the one good thing - As far as I can tell, most Asus laptops have full-TDP Pascal cards.

 

I'm pretty sure the new GL702VS with the 1070 only has two fans. I haven't opened mine, but as you can see in this video, it uses a similar system to the GL502VS.



The old GL702VM with the 1060 had 3 fans. I'd seen in a review somewhere that the third fan wasn't that well implemented and simply recirculated hot air around the system. So I was pretty pleased when I saw the above video as I thought that the cooling would be even better than the 502 due to the 702 having 2 extra inches of real estate which could be used for better heat dissipation. Unfortunately, at least with the Kaby Lake CPU, this doesn't seem to be the case. I'm thinking I should contact Asus regarding the temps though.

I'll try witcher 3 again tomorrow with a 100mV undervolt on the CPU. However for the price of this machine, I don't feel I should have to undervolt just to keep the CPU temperatures from causing future problems. Perhaps I should just go nuts with the laptop and hope it dies within it's warranty period!

 

3 fans mate

 

Cooling itself isn't bad - the problem is likely Thermal Paste and the overvolted Skylake/Kaby Lake CPUs - almost all of the CPUs are overvolted by 100mV or more - that's a lot. Quite a lot. And then you have a 120-130W 1070 to add to that.

 

Dude, where did you get that picture from? That's the GL702VM, not the GL702VS. You keep talking like this laptop is a copy of a laptop that's already been released, but the fact is that this one is a new beast entirely. It's a 17 inch like the GL702VM, but the internals and the cooling system are more the like the GL502VS, although it obviously isn't the same as that model either due to being a 17 inch and having slightly different i/o options such as thunderbolt 3. There isn't another laptop FROM Asus that had these specs with these chips and i/o at this size. The pics you posted are of the laptop you have, which is completely different from the on you have, even if the model name is only 1 letter different. Have a look at the video I posted, near then end. You can clearly see there are only 2 fans...

 

Temps are still fairly unreasonable even with an 100mV undervolt though....

 

Cause fan speed is very tame - the fans can run a lot faster than the BIOS allows - you can confirm that under Linux

 

Interesting. I might look into a bit of gpu passthrough and use Linux to keep the fans running high. I'll compare that to the rog gaming centre which allows manual fan control too. That will allow me to keep windows 10 off the machine as the base operatingsystem which just seems a bit flakey on this laptop, not sure whether its Janky drivers from Asus or whether windows 10 is just an unstable buggy piece of ****.

I've just got home and will be testing witcher 3 again shortly. Gonna try it undervolt Ed, along with fans set to max, and the undervolted and fans on max. If I still can't get a decent temperature level, I will either be contacting Asus or returning the laptop and waiting for the MSI and hoping it's better...

 

I've done a bit of testing with witcher 3. Actually I can get very reasonable temperatures. With just a 100mV undervolt I get temps in the mid 80s, which isn't unreasonable, and then I tried it with the fans on max. I forgot to reset the min/max on HWMonitor, but when I finished playing, I immediately switched back to it and current temps were around 55! That was the fans on max and 100mV underclock. Will continue testing other games to see if this is a good method for other games. I'd imagine it would be, if witcher 3 at max with hairworks on only gets 55 degrees when the fans are on max with the undervolt, I can't imagine any other game will manage higher temps! If this is the final outcome I'll be happy with that, I don't mind running fans on max if I'm gaming, I have a really nice pair of headphones anyway!

Extra testing done on Forza 3 Horizon, fans on max with 100mV undervolt - 70 degrees for the CPU, 64 for the GPU. Not bad. Way better than the 93 degree CPU temps with no undervolt and auto fan speed. Incidentally, when music, and game sounds are going, the fans are drowned out by the speakers at only 60%.

Also tried Forza with fans at 50% in the Rog Gaming Center. They're much more tolerable even when there's no music at 50% compared to 100%, and the temps are 73 for the CPU and 66 for the GPU. Will do a bit more testing on witcher 3 later, although right now I'm actually quite enjoying Forza!

 

Told ya - as long as you're not torturing the device and have fixed intel's "generous" voltage - it's usually fine. And you can still utilize the GL series' best advantage - low fan noise. I max out at about 80*C on mine (though I am running an 80W GPU and lower clocked CPU vs your 130W GPU and hotter CPU)

 

I've retried Forza with fans on Automatic, and the 100mV undervolt, and the highest the CPUs got was about 84. Seems like for newer but not too heavy games, I can just run the fans on auto, but for some stuff like Witcher 3, it also requires me to manually control the fans, on top of the underclock I have applied. I can live with that. No idea what intel and indeed Asus were thinking with the CPU clock speeds though. No idea why Asus would release a laptop that gets so hot without underclocking and why they wouldn't apply a manual underclock with a switch in the gaming center to release or something. Makes me wonder how good their design and testing team are, as they can't have looked at this as standard, and thought, "yeah, those temperatures are alright"!

 

It was a spec bump from the 6700HQ/980M version - that one had no issues - this one is a higher TPD, denser machine thus runs hotter.

 

I can't actually find any info on that laptop, do you have a link?

I don't think The GL702 VS should be considered as an incremental update of a previous laptop - adding a new CPU and GPU alongside a new cooling system in a configuration that hasn't been used before in a 17" unit (as far as I am aware). Is there a previous version that is 17" with only a 2 fan system like the GL502? I know there are multiple 15" laptops in this range with a 2 fan system and various GPUs, but didn't think there was version of a 17" that used 2 fan system. I thought they all used a 3 fan system up until now? Thus if previous 17" laptops had different cooling system, gpu and cpu I wouldn't necessarily consider them a base that the GL702VS has come from, but would instead consider this as a new version.

I also don't believe the 15" counts either as I believe has a different motherboard which considering a different chassis and motherboard, which in my opinion would make it an entirely different machine as well.

So really, the point of all this is that the design/testing team missed a trick by changing so much and not testing enough.

 

Seems like a lot of fuss to be able to use a gaming product for actual gaming. Too bad MSI is taking its sweet time with the GS73VR-7RG (Stealth Pro with 1070), or I would have gotten that. German retailers are reporting a mid-april launch for that one, which is too late for me.

Anybody have any suggestions for other options?

 

Depends what you're looking for. I was looking for a 17" machine with a 1070, gsync (120hz or 4k),a thunderbot 3 port, and not too thick and heavy. Alienware went out the window because of weight and lack of gsync, the Gigabytes just don't get good reviews (also no gsync) and the Aorus was a bit out of my price range. The HP Omen 17 was in the mix for a while, until I learned that they get hot as hell and user reviews didn't seem that favourable for me. I'd had my eye on the Asus GL502VS for a while, but didn't want to drop to 15". Momentarily considered the XPS 15, but decided I wanted a GPU that would allow me to game at good settings for several years. I thought about the Clevos, but decided I didn't want to go that thick and heavy.

I was also waiting for the GS73VR-7RG, but had already been waiting for a couple of months without a functioning laptop so when I couldn't determine when I would be able to buy one (I also wanted a qwerty keyboard so would have had to wait longer as I couldn't find one listing for one anywhere that wasn't Germany or France) so I decided to go for this Asus.

If I can get the temps to stay reasonable, I don't mind undervolting and occasionally manually controlling the fans. Without spending a lot more money, or waiting to see what MSI pulls out of the bag, I personally think this is the only laptop that meets my initial desires.

I couldn't find another laptop in in my budget that has a 1070, gsync, good 17" screen, thunderbolt 3, and is also pretty thin and light.

Having to undervolt is more a problem with the kaby lake chips and it seems to be a problem with many of the laptops with this CPU - I've seen quite a lot of underclocking posts on a lot of different laptop forums for laptops with kaby lake cpus. If you don't want to undervolt, I'd suggest going with a thicker laptop with more extreme cooling. Although that said, when I manually control the fans on this, and set them to maximum, temperatures are very low. I probably wouldn't need to undervolt, but it's a 2 second job to apply it, once you've found a good stable voltage.

 

I'd also like to point out - the GS73VR needs a cooling upgrade for a 1070 - the 1060 model holds temps around 80*C but that's a 100W GPU vs 130W - the difference is quite massive in a mobile device. If they just kept it as is, I fear the heapipes extending over the chipset might start giving off way too much heat, thus causing the chipset to overheat or flat out die. I mean, remember the XPS 15 9550? VRMs throttled - not the CPU temps, VRM temps. So yeah.

 

I've been thinking many of the same things. Right now I'm leaning toward copying your setup. I still have a week to think on it tho, maybe some rabbit will junp out of a hat somewhere meanwhile.


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I'd be interested in hearing what you go for! If you do go for this laptop, considering buying a repasted one. You can get the CPU repasted with liquid metal, and it'll still be covered under the warranty. Seems like a good investment. If I could spend 50 dollars to instantly give my laptop the potential to run cooler and or dissipate the heat faster, I'd take it. Like I said earlier I mostly only didn't do this because I would have had to have waited probably more than 2 weeks longer, and I was super impatient! As it happens I got my new laptop on my birthday which was nice, but in hindsight I do wish I'd waited and got the repasting done!

 

Good point. The MSI would most likely run quite a bit louder than my Asus, and who knows how hot with a kaby lake chip on top of a 130W gpu! It's gonna take some work to get that heat management right, which is perhaps what's taking so long.

Plus I can't confirm the details, but I'm pretty sure the new MSIs don't have gsync (maybe they'll have 'unofficial' gsync, but who knows), which was an important factor for me for playing games in the future when the laptop starts to get a little dated.

 

Yes, it's not in the official specs, but a lot of GT72/GT73 models have that option.

 

The biggest deal-breaker on the GS63 was the TN panel for me - I cannot justify a TN panel in a laptop over 500$, let alone 1500$

 

What thunderbolt controller is in this?

Load up Device Manager, View>Show hidden devices

Then go to System Devices to find Thunderbolt controller -15xx

15xx is the controller version. What does it say for the 702vs?

 

I'll be sure to let you know.

Unfortunately there are nobody who does repasting in my country, so I'd have to pay a hefty price to get one from the UK or Germany. I don't think repasting justifies paying 200$+ more.


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I can't find a TB3 device in the device manager, even with hidden devices shown. Worryingly, there's nothing in the Thundebolt Software either - even without devices attached I was expecting to see some sort of software version numbers. I don't have any TB3 devices so I can't even test if the port is working. Might have to contact Asus about this...

Where do you live? If you create an account on HIDevolution (probably works on XoticPC too) and then customise the unit you want and add to the cart, you can work out shipping costs and how much it will cost you to import to your country. I know from speaking to donald at HIDevolution that if your country has one of their distribution warehouses in it, they usually ship it there first, and then on to you, so you don't have to deal with any import costs as technically you would have already paid that cost to HIDevolution.