Asus ROG Strix GL702ZC / G702ZC / S7ZC with Ryzen 7 1700 8-core CPU and a Radeon RX580 GPU

Neither will make too much of a difference. When Ryzen cpu's were delidded it was found that AMD was using solder inside vs Intel's ****ty paste. I've used Conductonaut on a laptop with an Intel cpu inside previously, and got fairly good results, but I wouldn't be using anything but conventional paste on this.

 

However, when compared against the stock thermal paste that Asus used, I would imagine there could be 'some' difference.
I realize that Ryzen CPU's use a solder and have a superior design implementation than Intel's lousy paste (not to mention the fact they seem to run on proper voltages for their stock frequencies to begin with in mobile form - though admittedly, Asus did seem to give the RX 580 too much voltage, and will need to wait for software to catch up to allow us to modify it's boost voltage on its own under Windows) ... but that still won't prevent thermal issues if Asus used questionable paste and application to begin with (which a higher quality thermal paste might be able to alleviate).

 

I still don't see it being a major improvement, I'm happy with conventional paste for just now. Re: too much power, I'm going to look into modding the bios to undervolt the gpu further, rather than wait for software to catch up. ASUS's stock paste is **** though and repasting / new pads make a difference.

 

Repasting DOES make a difference though... I was just wondering how much of a difference would be between say GeLid Extreme and Conductonaut with the new pads vs the stock paste.

Using the BIOS to undervolt the GPU might be doable... if it helps, I did the same on my 9600m GT. Back then, there were clear instructions on how to do that though and specific software supported modifying the VBIOS voltages... plus I had to ensure I could revert back to the original.

Thing is, modding the VBIOS and then flashing it might be an issue if we pick a voltage that's not stable... that's one of the reasons I'd prefer software undervolting on the last core state (and possibly on the other 2 states as well)... not to mention potential issues of flashing a VBIOS incorrectly resulting in a dead GPU.
Anyway, it's been a LONG time since I used command based interface... and its one of the things keeping me from using Linux really (Which can be command dependent to a large extent) along with the issue of using software that wasn't designed for Linux and I wouldn't be able to use fully if I tried to use Wine.

That and I have no programming experience... so that makes my options... limited.

It might help if we can unlock the GL702ZC bios to start with... it might enable Wattman in the Windows Drivers as well (that's one of the things I don't understand... why is Wattman missing from our drivers? They are the same chipset drivers used by desktop motherboards and GPU's... so, what's preventing it?).

 

Lap your IHS. You will gain on this because AMD's lid is heavily concave. Put on quality thermal paste on top. Not necessary have to use Liquid metal, but maybe take look on Phobya NanoGrease Extreme. BTW... I think same paste should work very well for the concave IHS even without you have to lapping.

 

Now SVM can be enabled from the Bios version 303 ( https://rog.asus.com/forum/showthread.php?97241-G702ZC-AMD-V-virtualization-possible/page9).

I was wondering if laptop could become a good virtualization laptop. Should I get a GL702ZC laptop? Which option do you think is better?

 

There won't be much of a difference (if any) between conductonaut/liquid metal and the likes of Gelid or IC Diamond. Sure there will be between liquid metal and the **** stuff Asus put on there, but not worth it in my opinion.

I'm not planning on touching the vbios file (yet). The BIOS already has hidden menus and options for voltages, so my plan is to set all the hidden menus and options to user access (via amibcp) and flash back just as I did when enabling svm.

Re: Linux: works great on this machine (partly why I bought it). AMD's open source drivers are fantastic. I run a lot of games through wine with success. Wine is something else that has improved a lot lately. And some modern games i.e DOOM use Vulkan and have near native performance even via wine.

 

That's great news, I'm happy Asus jumped on this issue quickly and came out with a firmware update so quickly to enable VM options in the BIOS

But it just happened, so there really hasn't been time to demonstrate how well it is working. If you want VM comparisons check out the desktop usage and let's hope it's as good on the mobile implementation Asus is shipping.

I would come up with some tests, run them on desktop and laptop's you have access too, then buy the GL702ZC and test it when you get it - after you have validated function and tuned it - OC'd it as well as the mobile platform allows, then compare for yourself.

Please post your results!!

 

Guys i need help, i did a fresh install of OS and realised the driver website doesnt have Splendid, Asus Sonic Suite, Asus Sonic Radar and Sonic Sound. Can someone help me with these software or extract the installer for me.

 

I think those are included in the Audio drivers and utilities on the download page.
Make sure to expand some categories to see what's included.

 

Ive checked, all of the tabs doesnt contained the software and driver.

 

I think you need to install the said sound drivers from Asus. That should result in the suites to show up (I think).
I remember that when I did a fresh install, I used the sound drivers from the GL702ZC website and the said software was installed... or was it part of adjoining software?
I'm not sure, but I remember getting it.

 

I thought you were looking for software to install after wiping your disk and doing a fresh from media install of Windows, and couldn't find stuff back then.

BTW, did Asus reinstall the OS and recovery partition under RMA as you requested? Did you back them up this time before erasing them?

 

When I installed the 300 bios update, I used the Windows flash program to do that and it was done without issues.
I did the same thing on my old Acer 5930G.
I don't understand why people avoid Windows flash utility as it's a lot simpler and worked reliably for me at least.

I noticed that one person had issues installing the 303 update (Which enables virtualization) by using the EZ utility from inside the BIOS... and one person even suggested using an outdated DOS to flash the BIOS.
That seems rather ridiculous. Why is a WinFlash utility considered inferior?
Things have moved on and advanced since a decade ago and I hadn't had issues updating the BIOS via Windows on my laptops or someone else's.
So I really don't understand this issue.

Considering this one person experienced a system freezing mid-way through the BIOS flash from the EZ utility inside BIOS itself, I am wondering if this new version might be having issues with integration.

 

I used driver uninstaller to do a clean uninstall of realtek and its registry.
I reinstalled the realtek driver provided by asus and retarted when i press the ROG Hotkey it didnt appear, i search my program file under Asus there is no Asus Sonic Radar and studio.

 

Asus never reinstalled the OS. They simply gave back my laptop back with a replaced motherboard and they reset the Windows... nothing more.
I had issues at first with the new GPU drivers disabling/not detecting FreeSync (and non functional system restore), but since I got the laptop back, I installed the latest drivers from AMD's website and I have FreeSync fully enabled.
I hadn't checked the factory reset partitions or if they are functioning... but in all likelihood, they probably don't.

At any rate, I have no use for the factory reset.

 

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Installed 303 via Winflash too after Ez Flash 3 said my Said File is not a proper bios file.

 

There are a recovery partition but it was 499MB (likely impossible) i tried F9 during bootup process it didnt work.

 

If they reset Windows, they got the recovery partition working again, right? That reset wasn't working for you after some point? So that means you can use Asus Backtracker to make a bootable recovery USB 3.0 flash drive

I'd ask Asus what app they recommend to create the boot and recovery USB drive if you don't have Backtracker installed, it's changed it's name a couple of times over the years.

 

There's usually a couple of partitions, and sometimes if you have a small SSD boot the full recovery partition will be found on the HDD, the SSD only has a redirect boot partition to get things going.

 

You need to install ATK drivers from Asus website to enable keyboard LED lights and proper functionality along with the ROG gaming Center utility.

 

No, my factory reset partition was also a small one, and it wasn't on the D drive (HDD)... I checked well before making doing a clean install or doing anything.
The Factory Reset simply doesn't work and is useless.

Ultimately, you're far better off doing a clean Windows install, or at the very least resetting the OEM shipped Windows to a clean slate because I encountered numerous problems with the OEM Windows refusing to install software properly, games not producing saves, etc.

 

Try this to restore R9 recovery after Windows 10 updates:

After upgrade to Windows 10 - ASUS Recovery (Reset)/F9 has no function
Last Update : 2017/09/28 18:37
https://www.asus.com/support/FAQ/1013001/

Normal restore from Windows 10 using recovery volume:

Windows 10 - How to restore the system to factory default settings?
Last Update : 2017/06/26 12:02
https://www.asus.com/en/support/FAQ/1013065/

 

No, I mean, they reset my clean install of Windows. I know because I installed Windows 10 x64 Pro instead and that's what the repaired laptop came with (the PRO version, not the Home version as originally installed).

 

I already did that numerous times before and it didn't do a thing - it couldn't detect the recovery partition at all.
As I said, Asus simply didn't bother with the OS side that much apart from resetting the PRO version of Windows I installed.

 

Hmm, that's odd, the recovery partition should be installed and available out of the box to restore completely - reformat drive(s) (new ones) and recover the out of the box OS install, and you need to create a restore USB drive to do that from the recovery partition(s) on the laptop, it can't come from anywhere else unless the vendor builds in a dedicated storage device outside the drives.

If you requested the OS restored with recovery partition as part of the RMA Asus should have done that. They used to do it by default and warn people to backup their data or remove their drives before shipping their systems for RMA.

Usually you can't download all the tools from Asus support sites, that's why you want the full recovery image available, otherwise you miss out on functionality.

 

Hmm, I wonder if Asus Windows 10 keeps the images under Windows instead of a different partition, and the recovery partition - small 499mb - is just there to boot into that image on the Windows partition.

IDK, I've used it before recently on a GT73VR Pro-866 and going through the same Windows dialogs, but then the F5 recovery on MSI worked, and there was another partition.

IDK why Asus left it off, maybe they boo-booed on this model?

Did you ask Asus? Did they say there was supposed to be a recovery partition - and where it was - and why isn't it working?

If you've already given up, maybe another GL702ZC owner can take up the cause and dig the details out of Asus, at least let them know there doesn't seem to be a recovery partition installed out of the box, so ask the Engineers to fix it for future builds of their OS image for the GL702ZC

The Asus GL702ZC manual has the right idea on how to do it, based on other recovery for Windows 10, so it is expected by Asus for there to be a recovery method and for it to work!!:

 

When I requested of Asus to restore the Factory reset partition to functional status in my original RMA note, they just seemed to have ignored that... along with my request to use my thermal paste and pads (which I provided).
So, yes, I pretty much gave up. There's no point dwelling over a broken function (which really isn't that crucial).

 

Haha u know comming from Hot Clevo with gtx 770m, it came with a recovery disc. I expect asus came with a recovery disc too.

 

It's certainly crucial, as if it worked you wouldn't be futzing around with a from media scratch install with probably missing drivers, tools, apps, functions... I would think that is important

So, new GL702ZC owners, since Asus Recovery seems to be broken right now, the first thing do to is install Macrium Reflect Free, create the USB 3.0 boot recovery flash drive and then make the backup image of the as yet pristine out of the BOX OS install (all partitions) so you can restore it when you like onto the same or new storage devices.

Don't even plug it into the internet, have the Macrium installer on a flash drive so you don't need to download it to your new laptop. That way Windows Update can't run and break your fresh out of the box Asus Windows install image designed for your laptop, before you get it backed up with Macrium Reflect.

 

It's not supposed to be this complicated, Asus has always shipped with a recovery partition and an app to create the recovery boot flash drive, IDK what's up with this model, but it looks like new owners need to use Macrium Reflect to create their own image boot recovery flash drive and full OS recovery image.

 

Simply speaking, I think Asus messed it up.
Btw, I got a return email on my complaint about the DPD and cooling execution.
They said they will forward this to their design department and also forwarded the complaint about the delivery to DPD (even though I already raised one with them directly).

A lot of talking but little actual action or 'doing something to solve the underlying problem'.
I think they are simply trying to placate me.

If the team or individual who replaced the mobo completely ignored my request to use my GC extreme and FujiPoly thermal pads, then they probably won't take too much stock in what I said...

 

Kind of a Rant because I spent so much on this machine but.....

I bought this computer for SGD $2700 + $252 3rd Year and 4th year Warranty. The sales person told me this machine is great for multi-tasking and running several Virtual Machine its a good buy.
(Typical Sales person who is trying to "use whatever method" to get you buy the laptop so he could earn the commission and 90% of the time I wasn't listening).
I read before hand told them that this is false advertisement at the booth that this machine had its SVM Disabled and show him on Windows Task Manager on the DEMO Set and the Challenger's Staff said yes DEMO set had it disabled and it will be enabled in BNIB Set.
There is an Official Asus Staff walk up to him and ask him to serve other customer (maybe he knew he f**ked up) and reaffirmed me that a New BIOS will be released in 2 days time and told me to wait for the BIOS at ASUS Singapore Website that will enable the SVM, and indeed its up like 1 day after I bought this Laptop.

Things that i upgrade at Challenger (Asus Retailer):

Upgrade 16GB RAM to 32GB RAM
512GB nVme SSD Upgrade (They cloned the entire 256GB Sandisk SSD to Samsung 960 Pro)
1) Could they mess up my recovery partition? If yes im gonna RMA it.

 

Are u able to find the installer Asus Studio, Radar and Splendid in your system?

 

Btw there is a calibrated profile for the Monitor which u can used if you doesn't have a calibration software.
https://www.ultrabookreview.com/17680-asus-rog-gl702zc-reviews/

92% sRGB, 69% NTSC, 71% AdobeRGB

 

To your last question first, yes, they could have just done a straight Windows install, but most authorized dealers will know to clone rather than reinstall - but many shops will simply use their own image they make from scratch, it's hard to know since so far everyone that's reported in here has done a "clean install" or let Windows Update run (also can break BIOS initiated recovery) before checking their recovery volume and then go ahead and do a clean install.

So since this is a brand new platform and the first model of it, and it's already shown it didn't have all the BIOS options enabled - VM specifically / only? - it's possible Asus skipped the recovery volume when building the laptop, we need someone that knows enough to check before connecting to the internet and following the rabbit hole of trying to recover from black screen or some other Microsoft Windows induced disaster and forgetting to check for the recovery volume before formatting away the Asus partitioning and recovery image.

Usually Asus and MSI have a notification program for the Boot Recovery media generation that nags you to create the flash media (or DVD for MSI), but many ignore it assuming they can recreate the OS from scratch - not realizing there might be some items not available from their support download site - it's across the board that new laptops don't get all the items uploaded, just the ones that have changed since they made the image that comes out of the box.

The days of a backup DVD/CD are long gone, although some vendors have an option to get a driver disk or OS install - which is just clean media install - and with all the misinformation on "Bloat-ware" slowing down computers, people erase the "good stuff" along with the "bad stuff" of which there really isn't much.

The best plan is to create the flash bootable media that backs up the out of the box OS install so you can restore it later onto new storage or restore to your original storage for a good base to start from.

The simply uninstall or just disable startup of the tools you don't need all the time, and continue from there. It takes a lot less time to uninstall a couple of items or disable their startup at boot than it does to recover from a "clean install" without a backup of all that came with your original OS install.

Even good sales people don't know all this typically, they aren't support technitians or engineers that build the images, they are sales people that need to keep moving new customers through new sales, the support people pick up the slack later. It's hard to fault them for things we learn over time as owners - often the sales guys don't own as much hardware over as long a time as we do.

We'd make terrible sales people though, we'd be warning customers off potential sales

The VM support is also another "gotcha" we all assume it's there for all machines, and it usually is since most hardware is a small upgrade from generations of previous hardware already supporting VM over a long history of models.

New CPU's, motherboard chipsets, or in this case new application of desktop hardware to laptop hardware for new CPU's and GPU's should raise a red flag for VM support - I've seen a number of new releases not immediately have features brought out in BIOS for user adjustment - and VM is one of those, or VxD even if VM in general is enabled - or available to disable/enable.

You got caught in one of those rare cases, but lucked out due to Asus quickly updating the BIOS to support it, you didn't lose much time over it. I've seen it take 5-8 months after release for it to come out in a BIOS update, so it could have been a much longer wait.

 

So i've been following this thread for a while.

I own a Asus Rysen 7 laptop and i quite like it.

FreeSync for me appears as not supported on the last AMD ATI drivers sadly. I don't know how to fix this.

Regarding bios 303. I've updated it sucessfully using the EZ Flash 3 on BIOS. (Anyone knows what else is improved appart from virtualization?)

How i did it.

1) Download BIOS from ASUS Website.
2) Extract .ZIP to a USB pen drive.
3) Boot into bios with your pen drive attached.
4) Go to EZ Flash utility.
5) Select the bios file press yes to read it and let it flash. Menu for virtualization appears as disabled as default but you can enable it.

Now in the future updates i would like ASUS to allow us to undervolt our CPU / GPU so we can run our laptop's cooler and extending battery life.
Sadly the RX580 on this laptop is pretty downclocked. Whats the point of making ads that we have a RX580 but it doesnt work as one. Thats sad.
WIth all that said im not dissapointed by the performance of the laptop but i would like to see how far can you undervolt it for better thermals.

I will be following this thread on a daily basis so we can all discuss what we can do to improve this very expensive thing!

 

I checked what the RX580 8gb pulled using gpu-z and playing fallout 4 ultra settings .max draw I saw was 128.5 watts gpu only

 

@Deks RIP

 

Key distinctions:
The VRAM on the RX 580 in the Omen is double of that found in GL702ZC, plus, what are the clock speed differences?
The RX in the Omen is more likely similar to the desktop... if not the same.

I'm wondering if it's possible to undervolt that RX 580 in the Omen though... if not, then its likely due to the BIOS being locked.
We probably need an unlocked bios on GL702ZC to be able to reduce voltages... or software needs to catch up to allow such modification from windows.

Don't know if it's possible to reduce voltages on the Ryzen 1700... they seem to run pretty low as is.

 

check this
Mobile Pascal TDP Tweaker Update and Feedback Thread
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/mobile-pascal-tdp-tweaker-update-and-feedback-thread.806161/

edit
may be asking a support for rx580 IMO

 

I have an gl702zc laptop with 8gb ram and i am researching how can i upgrade it to 32 gb. I will just throw 8gb and buy two 16gb rams but i am confused about compatibility issues.

As a person who knows nothing about how to select a ram, i decided that i will buy two of the whatever Asus used in its 16gb.

Here is the thing; they used model named M471A2K43 CB1-CRC (16gb).

I searched for every site possible in my country however i can only find the M471A2K43 BB1-CRC (16gb). Moreover in samsung's site there is only info about the M471A2K43 BB1-CRC

The one on the GL702zc https://www.compuram.biz/memory_module/m471a2k43cb1-crc/samsung.htm

The one i found: http://www.samsung.com/semiconductor/dram/module/M471A2K43BB1-CRC/

They seem identical.

I am searching for hours what the **** the B letter means however all i found some outdated documents

http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...le/support/part_number_decoder/Async_DRAM.pdf http://www.samsung.com/global/busin...port/part_number_decoder/DDR_SDRAM_Module.pdf

Do you have any idea what if i should just buy M471A2K43 BB1-CRC


my other alternative is the kingston one
https://www.kingston.com/datasheets/HX424S14IB_16.pdf

Do you know if it is compatible with gl702zc?

 

GPU only Power Draw in GPU-Z only measures the GPU core, so the extra VRAM doesn't factor into that number.

The Omen's RX 580 runs at desktop RX 480 boost clock on the core, 1266 MHz. Memory still at 8 GHz.

 

So, basically, the Omen's RX is closer to the desktop than not - but again, undervolting it would either require an unlocked BIOS or software voltage control
The GL702ZC's RX is just a downclocked RX 580 which was integrated into the mobo.
Question... the RX in the Omen... is it also integrated into the mobo or replaceable?

 

BGA all the way https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-re...by-Lake-and-AMD-FX-580-graphics.225240.0.html Use different MB and you have different graphics

 

What in tarnation?

Why is the GTX 1060/120Hz Omen 17 over $300 cheaper than the RX 580 version with the inferior screen? The latter has 4GB more RAM and a 256GB SSD, but still.

 

How should I know? I do not own anything of this. Maybe Ask HP who set the prices

 

I think the price listed for the GTX 1060 model is the MSRP for the preconfigured model sold at Best Buy. The price for the RX 580 listed however seems to be the base price for the configurable version available directly from HP. If you look at Best Buy's preconfigured RX 580 model, which has a MSRP of $1199, the pricing makes more sense.

 

Anybody can recommend me a laptop cooler for GL702ZC.

 

I'll be looking into repasting mine, so we will see what kind of temperature reduction I can get with that.
But in regards to coolers... they might come in handy I suppose, but not sure if they'd be worth it (they'd need to be quite effective to drop say 10 degrees C for example).