Asus g74 video, with gtx 560m hands on (kind of)

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Thats pretty awesome! To bad I have no way to shoot in HD or I'd atleast try!

 

I have the actual benchmark of GTX560M.

 

Is that good !!???

 

Nice, but I'd like to see same benchmark with PhysX disabled.

 

I think it's not bad.

The GTX560M was tested with MSI unit, I can run vantage with Physx disabled after I am done with Crysis 2 video.

 

gpu score lesser that or barely equal to MR5870...

Btw ken did you oc this? because the clocks are marginally higher than nvidia's spec sheet... or MSI giving OC'd cards from factory??

 

No I didn't overclock, it was default clock.

 

Yeah, its meh, an OCed GTX460m pretty much gets the same. Though wonder if on the 560m we will see much more headroom for OCing. I can't seem to get much better than 850, so I guess if we see 900mhz + when ppl are overclocking, then not bad not bad. Otherwise, there really isnt going to be much of a difference.

Bumping from 625 to 810mhz nets me a nice performance boost, I get pretty much same Vantage GPU score, and temps are only 1-2c higher from stock. So really, there isnt any reason to NOT OC the GTX460m.

EDIT: this is an old pic, but notice the GPU score(pretty much same the 560m gets), this is at 800/1600/1350



Thanks for posting the score though ken, much appreciated :>

 

But for Asus GTX560 too?

 

Well that's a downer , waiting 2+ weeks for a semi improved gpu...

I guess just having a newer model Asus wouldn't be a bad thing though.

 

Only "advantage" seems to be working Optimus.

 

Who Optimus whaa ?

 

but the guy in the vid for some reason specifically mentioned the toshiba to be optimus enabled and said nothing about the asus g74, so not sure if it's enabled..? is it?

 

Eh, OK.
"NVIDIA is proud to announce some new optimus enabled notebooks with GTX560m"
News - Produktvorstellung - Vorgestellt: Nvidia Geforce GTX 560M auf notebookjournal.de (german)

 

Yeah, but notice that there is no Optimus logo on the Asuses.

 

Yea that's what I was wondering....
barely any performance upgrade, same processor (still awesome though) No optimus.. only a new design ?
nothing about the g74 is amazing at all

 

PhysX disabled:

 

Ken, my bad if your not allowed to.. but what are your thoughts on the 560? Had any chance to run a couple of games ?

 

Thanks for the early benchmark, Gentech. It seems 560M is a minor bump from the old 5870M, GPU score 8313 vs 7614(from notebookcheck), G73/53 owners won't be seeing an urge to upgrade anytime soon.

 

Holy moly im only 100 points lower than this and im using a 720QM/5870M.

Embarrassing.

 

You got to remember, PhysX is a nVidia thing so they are good at running PhysX. I care less about it though and it is still very significant when compared to the 5870M. You can treat the 560M as a OC'ed 460M out the door with better efficiency. A good 5870M OC can still crush it.

 

Anandtech pretty much confirmed it that Optimus won't work for Asus.

 

This would have been the only pro for the G74.
Link.

 

I don't think benchmark matters since Vantage doesn't test DX11 anyway, the actual game play matters and I am working on Crysis 2 and Bad Company 2 video should be upload soon on Youtube.

ATI 5870 wins on DX9/10 games but nVidia Wins on DX11:

YouTube - ‪Lost Planet 2 DX11 Benchmark on Asus G73JW, nVidia GTX460M‬&rlm;

Don't get me wrong, 5870 still one of the best GPU out there and that's what I am using right now and I love it.

 

For sure thanks, I'll definitely check out the youtube vids

 

560M is overclocked 460M. Check spec on nvidia.com ;]

 

I can't believe I just sold my G73JH!

I miss it so bad! This makes it even worse, knowing that any replacement I buy will no better at all.

 

GF 560M: CUDA Cores: 192, Memory Clock (MHz):1250, Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 60, Processor Clock (MHz) 1550, Graphic Clock: 775.

GF460M: CUDA Cores: 192, Memory Clock (MHz):1250, Memory Bandwidth (GB/sec) 60, Processor Clock (MHz) 1350, Graphic Clock: 675.


source: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/05/5-29-11-nvidia800-0.jpg and http://www.nvidia.com/object/product-geforce-gtx-460m-us.html

 

haa . i can sleep happily now ..

 

That's too bad 560m really turned out to be just a bit better 460m. A new G74 for me? I think I'll pass, thanks. Let's see if AW comes with 485m for their M17xs in June .

 

yeah...will be more expensive ;} probably + 200 $

 

G73SW got 7899 points with 3D Mark Vantage (notebookcheck). G74SX got 10321 points with the same test. http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review-Asus-G73SW-Notebook.45917.0.html
That is a 24% better score and with the same hardware except better GPU.
G73JH with 720QM and HD 5870 got 8007 points with 3D Mark Vantage. G74SX scores 23% better. A bit unfair comparison since JH have 720QM and SX have Sandy Bridge.
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1248/7/

Considering that GTX 560M is supposed to replace 460M, with the same price and same TDP, that is a very good deal. And 560M features a optimized power core GF 116, which allows overclocking, like 460M did.

 

I think 460 GTX can get a great score with new drivers... MUST to be 8000+ points, same with the GTX 560 (I remember that I saw 81XX point [GTX 460])

 

That score was with PhysX and isn't legit, because you can't compare to ATI (ATI doesn't support PhysX)

Actually, it's more like 10% comparing (to my stock G73Jh) 740QM with HD 5870M = 8704 points:
Result
to stock GTX 560M + SB = 9579 points:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/att...eo-gtx-560m-hands-kind-vantage-physix-off.jpg

Edit:
@GenTechPC
Can you test 3DMark11- please.

 

Is your result without PhysX? How is it unfair btw? Notebookcheck tested with PhysX on, same did legitreviews and same did Ken with his 10k result

 

A MSI got 2200 in 3DMark11.

 

I repeat ATI/AMD GPU doesn't support PhysX, only Nvidia does:
PhysX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Check CPU score with PhysX on = 41618
PhysX off = 17632

 

Ah I see. Wonder how much the CPU difference did to the result btw?

 

Only Toshiba's Qosmio and Alienware's Mx17/Mx18 will support Optimus.

The big question is 560m Max overcloak(while still functional) VERSUS 460m Max overcloack.How big will the difference be ?

The main deal about the 560m is that it supposedly be able to overcloack to frequencies that the 460m could not.

Otherwise other then Optimus there will be no advantage. I think. (not considering that at stock 560m is better then 460m)

 

in the end the new system is decent for today gaming
As I keep saying, what makes the difference from AW or Clevo is the price, yet, if you ask me, it should cost LESS than the standard g73sw in order to be competitive... let's not forget that if you want, with something like 1800 $ you can buy an AW r3 with FHD screen and a 6970... (yeah no ram/hdd but you can cheap ugrade them later on...).

 

It will definitely be way lower than 1800$ if they want it to compete against MSI/Sager/AW, if they price it higher than 1500$, I don't see the point of getting this laptop at all, given the weak GPU compared to the 6970\485 offered by AW/Sager, and let's not forget on top of all that, they didn't even bother including optimus support.

 

Agreed... Msi right now is offering i7 2630, 12 gigs of ram, 2 500 gig hdd's in raid 0, gtx 560m for $1500. I would expect similar from asus.

 

G74SX is going to crush the G73JH with 5870. This review tested the MSI GT 683R and found this. Looks like the combination of Sandy Bridge and GTX 560M is a killer:




Link to the review: MSI GT683R Notebook im Test Nvidia Geforce GTX 560M im Gamecheck auf notebookjournal.de

 

^ I dont rem my farcry2 fps but there's no way in hell the dirt 2 benches are accurate, its ATLEAST avg 38-40fps @1080p with newer drivers on a g73jh..
So i wouldnt really say "crush".. besides iirc, 460m performed better than MR5870 in that game as it is.. It's no secret that nvidia performs better in some dx11 titles..
For the most part, its gonna end up like 460m and MR5870, nvidia will be better in some games and ati in others, though the sandy-bridge in the g74sx will definitely help tip things towards the nvidia, i wouldt go around using the terms like it "crushes" the MR5870..

 

If that's accurate I would be very content with my purchase of the msi gt683r, I got a feeling people are underestimating the gtx 560m as a entry level performance gpu.

 

people arent really underestimating it, its a good card with good performance for the price and an excellent choice for people like you who are getting a new notebook..

its just that its not a big jump ahead of the older generation, its just a mild increase in performance and a re-naming.. So there's not much of a point for going for it if you're upgrading from a 460m or a MR5870..

 

The reason why GTX 460M beats JH with 5870 is because the laptop with 460M features also a Sandy Bridge CPU which is much better than the 1st gen i7s. Which people here seem to forget. "Nah I am not going to switch my old JH this time", when you see from the results that 74SX is going to get much more frames in games. The combination of Sandy Bridge along with 560M is very good. And yes, the GT 683R CRUSHES the G73JH.

 

inb4 CPU increasing AI abilities ingame.
inb4 CPU/GPU bottleneck arguments.
inb4 false/unreliable/sensationalized benchmarks

 

Yeah, um, no. Actual facts™ show that Sandy Bridge doesn't give a noticeable performance improvement with a 460m (well, unless it's GTA4). Check Notebookcheck.net benchmarks.
And yeah, this is another topic. Let's not derail the thread.