Battlefield 3

I heard the Maximum Setting of the Beta is equal Medium on the "real deal"
Who knows... I am getting ready to cancel the pre-order.

 

Why would you do that? Optimized or not it's still a very good game (once the bugs get sorted out). Have you tried playing Caspian Border? It's like magic on your screen. I play on 720p on low with 60+ fps at all times and am perfectly happy.

 

Hey guys, need your advice.. Plaing B3 on G73SW, FHD, all medium, and rest off. Around 40FPS on GPU 850/1700/1600. My system was crashing and I thought, it was caused by GPU temp, but it´s not true. I think, it is because of PSU. I´ve got Asus ADP-120, what is 120W model, with 6,32A on output. Would you recommend me to buy 150W adapter which is with 7,7A output? I think it might get better.. What do you think?

 

Yes i did. Their Jets sucks. I haven't see any fighters can drive stable under 200 knots , or the afterburner can't help them get faster than 400km/h.
But, they did good on the Tank Infantry, i would say it is the best game which ever have the M1A2 Abrams.
They need to adjust the power of the M1A2 Shot, the L44 M256 120MM of it has a really big kick, i believe the ammunition the tank use in game isn't HEAT Round, so it should be APFSDS round, Armour-piercing discarding sabot, which can kill a heavy tank in a shot or 2, not 3-4 in game.

 

You can build a desktop that'll absolutely spank any laptop you could name for around $700. The people who think you need an i7-2600K and 580 GTX SLi setup are way past the point of diminishing returns, especially if they're only playing at 1080p, and are paying for peace of mind more than anything. An i5-2500K + 560ti will chew through any game coming out today.

This all assumes you're building your own desktop. If you're going to buy prebuilt, you're going to spend significantly more for the specs and risk getting mediocre components when it comes to the case, PSU, etc... but that's the price of laziness.

 

^ I completely agree.
A good desktop without going extreme will eat the game for breakfast.
As an example I've got an i5-2500 and a gtx570, with some small oc an some good components I'm doing completely fine, and all the parts, case and psu included, was under 800$.

 

Hey guys, I´m completely desperate now.. BF3 is permanently shutting down my PC. I´m playing on FHD, med. setting, GPU and CPU temps are just fine, and every 5/10/20/... minutes my PC just switch off, and run windows recovery window. I really don´t know, what to do. I tried to play BFBC2 for 2 hours. Max detail, full AA, 2 hours and no crash. Then I start to play B3 and system crashed after 5 min. Drivers are latest, throttlestop running, GPU clocks 850/1700/1600 (but crashing is on stock clocks either)

 

Do what I do, don't play the game untill its final release, end of october.

The longer the wait, the higher the pleasure ! (American Pie 1 or 2)

 

I'm absolutely disgusted , i tried the game on a friend desktop : AMD 250 ( poor CPU ) only 3GB ram and GTX 460 non overclocked : the game runs great with nearly everything on High and some on medium at 1080 ...

I have a core i7 2630QM ( better CPU ) , GTX 560 ( better GPU ) and 8Gb ram ( nearly 3 times more ) : the games runs better on his config ...


DAMN :'(

 

Just FYI our 460/560m are not better than a desktop GTX460. Theres a huge gap.

Our cards, like yours 560m, are basically the desktop GTS450.

A desktop GTX460 is still faster because:

1 GB DDR5 has 256bit memory bus, 336 Cuda Cores. 115.2 Bandwitdh and 37.8 Texture fillrate.
768MB DDR5 version has the same 192bit bus of our cards, but still have 336 Cuda Cores, 86.4 memory bandwidth and same 37.8 texture fillrate.

Heres mine:



Heres a gigabyte GTX460 1GB DDR5:



The CPU we have is still better than the desktop AMD one he have, but a desktop gpu still handles the eye candy better since its heavily related to gpu, not cpu. Thats your answer.

The comparable mobile card to a desktop GTX460 is the GTX570m/470m.

The comparable mobile card to a desktop GTX560ti is the GTX580m.

Probably in the final build we will be able to play the game at 1080p with medium settings smoothly. Remember that drivers arent mature, nor the game, the beta was just 2 months old.

Other than that, DONT MIX desktop GTX460 with GTX460/560m, which are derived from desktop GTS450. Here:



Main difference beside the clocks, is that we got an higher bus bandwidth. The "Crippled" gtx460/560m basically is the same as a standard desktop GTX560m. Same rops and stuff etc etc.

 

Thanks for that awesome answer.

You were talkin' about non -overclocked card right ? A good overclock on a GTX 560M can be near a GTX 460 desktop without overclock no ? Or are we still way lower ?

Performance related ( i know it's not exactly the same config ) , but i was near the GTX 460 desktop with my GTX560M overclock

 

Even if you oc heavily your card, the huge gap between memory bandwidth and texture fill rate will always put our cards way below the desktop 460.
Without even mentioning the fact that the desktop 460 can oc very well without trouble.
Let's say that 560/460m are in the middle of a gts450 and a gtx460 768mb.
The 1gb version can rival only with the 485m/580m due to the bus bandwidth.
And the gtx570m/470 is somewhat between the desktop 460 and 560 (non ti). It's a full fermi core (336 cores) but with crippled bus width (192 vs 256).

 

Okay thx.

Tried to play it , beta closed ... We'll see the retail version ( i will probably not buy ... )

 

Oh this thread makes me cringe. People are expecting a little too much out the G73 and an unoptimized beta. You have to remember that the G73 was a middle of the road desktop even back when it came out, let alone now. It's not the uber powerhouse you guys seem to think it is. Mobile components=/=desktop components of the same name. Mobile components are two steps behind, they will always be a lot weaker than your desktop equivalent. That's just how it is and the sooner you accept that fact, the better your life would be. I think the mobile equivalent to a desktop 460 is a 470M. Even then, it's still worse than a 460.

Price does not mean anything when it comes to laptops in comparison to desktop. You pay for mobility, not power. A $750 desktop will spank a $1500 gaming laptop 5 ways to the bank, it's just how it is. Also to the guy who said $5000 desktop? I really hope you were just joking because no PC gamer that's even remotely informed can be that ignorant. A 2500K/GTX 560 setup will absolutely spank this laptop and it's about $700-$800.

Yeah just my little rant. Do not cancel your preorder over the beta, it's a beta. If you don't know if the performance is how you want then wait a month or two for the drivers to get better, for the patches to improve things, to see the amount of graphics options for the final version and see how well the full game scales.

 

Yes , i agree with you on performance point etc .. , but don't think too much the game will be way more optimise , it's out in a few days , not i a few month ... this beta was bull demo with weird bug to make it think of a beta ... the only problem they are talking about , EVERYBODY saw them ( holes in map , blue screen when appears etc .. ) , they should have correct this even before anyone here could have play the game ..

" Beta " Nowadays are demo that people download cause it's " cool " to do the beta ...

Btw , i was expecting better of my G74 ( yeah , people complain about perf of the G73 , but even the G74 is not enough powerfull to handle it ... and it's all about optimisation , the game is not so much better than BF2 , and this one runs at 60FPS all the time at native resolution. Think about Rage , same thing )

 

The whole point of an open beta is for people to complain and pin point the exact same problems but to the company directly and they will be fully aware of the problems I assure you. A patch will probably be already on the way to being released as soon as the game is on the market.

Look at Rage at release and then again 2 days later. The only game that failed to ever be fixed that I have seen was Gothic 4. A month or two after release BF3 will be running smooth as butter once a few patches have been lined up.

In regards to your G74 what was mentioned above applies the laptop is mid range at release the high end laptops released at the same time had the 6970M planted in them and the 6990M and 580M were suddenly on the scene when the G74 hit the streets. You pay for more than just performance with Asus you pay for the style etc and it all adds up to not being worth the price. But unless you hang around till it drops in price you have to pay for it. Mobile cards will never be desktop cards nor will they catch them up because a better desktop card is always around the corner. Lastly you cannot compare BC2 because it sucked at release and ran like crap only the latter patches completely fixed the issues and allowed good performance on lower end cards, BF3 runs great IMO.

 

No. People need to stop thinking a beta is a demo, it is not. Sure you get a taste of the game but the entire point is to find problems. Also those issues you mentioned? Well the whole point was to find those issues. If DICE knew they all existed then they obviously would not be there. The alpha did not have a lot of these issues but it seems a lot of the tweaks they made kind of broke some stuff. The beta added the killcam (Which is buggy as hell but this was clearly a last minute addition for balancing purposes), fixed some spotting issues and it balanced out the first part of the crates on metro since the first set on the alpha was balls hard to take. Why do think that is? The whole point of these are for the community to find all the issues. Treating them as demos and then complaining about them not being polished is extremely ignorant.

And are you really comparing BF2 to BF3? Yeah BF2 runs great but Battlefield 2 is from 2005 and looks like a PS2 game compared to BF3. It's not even close. The detail, the lighting, the textures, it's night and day. The soldiers alone in BF3 trump anything in BF2, the detail is just ridiculous. RAGE is set to always run at 60 FPS no matter your config, it auto-optimizes itself even at the loss of graphical fidelity. That's not really a feat, even when you force the maximum settings it doesn't look that amazing.

Also I really don't know what people are complaining about. I expected 30 frames at the minimum at medium and I got 30-40+ constantly on metro on high/ultra. I already posted my Caspian frames, that's with older drivers and it's more than playable. It's definitely going to be better optimized, are you going to get 60 frames on high? No, most likely not. But it's going to be much more stable and less buggy after a few patches and driver updates.

 

I respect your opinion , sure , but in mine, you're gullible to think that thoses beta are real ones. Beta always existed , and why do you think they are so popular nowadays ? I work in marketing , let me tell you that thoses beta aren't anything but demo with bugs for people to be like " yeah i tried this game before ANYONE ELSE and i found bugs ! I reported them on the forum , now i'm gonna buy the game cause i'm already addict to it and i helped the game to be better ! "

Sorry for my poor english , but i'm sure you understood what i meant.

I was comparing Bad COmpagny 2 , not BF2 of course.

 

Betas obviously has benefits other than finding bugs, but it is not just a demo. As proven by the Alpha, they DO listen. Just passing it off as a demo is ridiculous. Bad Company 2 had a beta AND a demo (I'm talking about on console though), the demo which was Port Valdez was pretty much exactly like the full game version. No difference at all besides lack of equipment. The beta which was Arica Harbor however changed quite a few things for the final version of it.

All I'm saying is ignoring the fact that it's a beta because it was multiple purposes and benefits is DUMB.

 

they better change the reality of the weapons... can't stand the 400km/h Full AB Jets.

 

I hope that you're right anyway , cause they are SEVERAL bugs they said they are aware of , and i hope they will made HUGE change.

Am i the only one who think that the netcode of the game is just the worst i've ever see ?

An exemple : You hide yourself behind a wall , get out to shot , and then hide back. When you're hidden , you die. Wallshot ? No no , it's just poor netcode , you were dead when you come out to shoot , but it allows you to hide yourself and rage cause it's impossible. Got this nearly everytime i die ... They must fix this quick , else there will be NO esport on this game ...

 

You weren't wearing a huge magnet as armour would you ?

Pretty sure they'll get it fixed. They always do.
Example why I'm sure they'll fix it: Bad Company 2 had a small issue 1 month ago (cause of a new update (serverrelated?)), and 1 week later, they released a BC2 patch that fixed the problem. Dice takes their work seriously.

I think the biggest problem would be the waiting for the fitted drivers from ATI..