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    Can I install graphic card from G74 into G73 ?

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by fantomasz, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. fantomasz

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    I have some random malfunction with my 460 and need to replace graphic card.Can I upgrade?
     
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    the thing is, Asus g74 comes with onboard vga, but you will be able to upgrade your vga to gtx 580 , 570, 560, 480, 470 but a chinese guy has confirmed that an hd 6970m worked on g73Sw.
    the problem is you have to mod an g73jh heatsink.
     
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    anyone done this swap? any links ?
     
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    saw this on a chinese forum, cant remember.
     
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    Replacing the GPU will void your warranty.

    What's wrong with your 460?

    I was also under the impression that the NVIDIA gpus in the sandy G73's and G74 are not replaceable.

    I know that the G73JH has the MXM types.
     
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    It's random problem also I bought it in USA but now I am in Poland.
     
    fantomasz, Mar 14, 2012
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    The GPU in the G74 is soldered to the motherboard, that pretty much means no swapping with a G74 GPU.
     
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    it's random problem.I take my laptop to local shop and they can't reproduce the problem.Everything is fine.Now two days without problem.No overheating when playing games,very low temp at idle.I reinstall system and happen once.I updates driver and it happpen couple times.I just keep my laptop until something worse happen.

    My thermal pads melt but my laptop never overheat.Something is wrong with vga for sure.If I decide to open it and replace vga I would like to upgrade to better vga but don't know which one will fit.
     
    fantomasz, Mar 16, 2012
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    as I said before , you can replace your vga to any mxm iii b card but you have to modify your own heatsink.
     
    evgasr2, Mar 16, 2012
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    fantomasz, Mar 16, 2012
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    Don't be rude, buttttttttt....
    I would be careful with such a statement. People can say alot.
    We still have not seen any proof of this. Just some blurred screenshots and a pointless top side of a SW mainboard.
    svl7 checked a JW with a 470 without success.
     
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    the gtx 580's cost a lot but if you can bear the cost then your good to go,
    but you have to MOD YOUR HEATSINK .
    Gtx 560 is slightly better than gtx 460 , and you cna get an gtx 560 for 180 $ or 160$ ,

    Im not rude :D
    Look what OP wants. He wants to upgrade his if he want to replace the thermal pads , and do you know why that gtx 470 didnt work?> because the card he used to do the test was a malfunctioned one. he did the test with same gtx 470 with his m15x but got the same error.
     
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    can't find 560 right now
    nothing on ebay
     
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    Again, please show me the source of your statements.
    Where did svl7 ever said that the 470 was faulty? :confused:
     
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    do I have to mod heatsink for those? or only for 580?
     
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    You may give false information and the OP or others could buy expansive GPUs without knowing if it really works.
    For me it's still a hoax.
     
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    Yes , you will have to mod the heatsink , yes you have to do it for all cards.
     
    evgasr2, Mar 16, 2012
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    You would be the first one to attempt it. If it works, you're a legend. If it doesn't, sell the card.
     
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    yes, your correct, if you can risk then your a legend, hopefully this should work, if it doent sell the card on ebay or nbr.
     
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    anyone know if screws will match? I will try to find spare heatsink. JW heatsink are same as SW? Or made own heatsink from copper .
    I will talk to local laptop repair store about this mod.
     
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    OH wait, if your going to attempt.
    disassemble laptop first,
    insert the new nvidia card, I think the screws wont match, so duct tape the card with mobo, and fire it up , if you can see asus screen , then your attempt is sucess, but soon after you see asus logo disconnect the as adapter.
    later you can mod the heatsink n all.
     
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    I know I know just try to figure out all the proces
     
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    what card have you planned to buy?
     
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    first I will talk to local laptop repair store for help
     
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    you better start with gtx 560m , because gtx 580 costs alot.
     
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    Use duct tape? Are you for real?

    OP, I know you don't know me, but if you really want this repaired do to warranty. You can send the laptop to my address in the states and I'll send it in for repair, once fixed I'll ship back.

    The only thing I request is you pay shipping both ways and any other prices which are involved...should only be shipping....
     
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    Because giving it to an Asus service center in Poland is too mainstream. :)
     
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    The OP already stated he bought the computer from the states, so it may be a gray item when it comes to Poland warranty...which means he has no warranty.
     
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    yes mate, the screws wont match , so only way to stick the card in mobo is to duct tape.I think the OP doesnt have warranty.
    but this is worth a try.
     
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    The 580m won't work in the G73. I can guarantee that.
     
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    If you can't upgrade a computer at...why would you buy it?

    I say this, cause I've upgraded every single part in my 2009 Dell Studio 1537 but the video card, cause it's part of the mother board.
     
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    why? can you explain
     
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    CMON. You can make a decision between the opinions of experienced users/modders and your own try. The second way costs a lot more. :D
     
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    @tilla im with you :D
    I tried an Gtx 560m in my Asus G73Jh and it didnt work.
    so 80% say it wont work.
     
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    Yes, I can. To put it simply, the BIOS of the G73 misses all the callbacks and functions which are required to make a proper MXM card working.
    Having worked with different MXM 3.0 cards I have the impression that Nvidia adheres more strictly to the MXM specs than AMD. The reason for which the 6970m seems to work in the JH is AMDs lax implemantion of the MXM standard, not the MXM-compliance of the G73 (which really doesn't exist).
    The high-end fermi cards definitely require these BIOS functions, else the system won't POST.
     
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    Nah.
    That are 2 different points. BIOS or Non-MXM.
    IMHO it's mostly a BIOS issue. Because we haven't the right tools here, we can't check this out.
    Doesn't have other brands like AW also problems with some cards and with others not?
     
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    No, not two different points.
    As I just said, the MXM standard requires the System BIOS to have certain callbacks and functions to make MXM cards work.
    I looked at the G73 BIOS, it's not MXM compliant.
     
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    are you sure about it?
    because clevo hd 6970m is perfectly working in asus g73.
     
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    Yes, I'm sure. And I wouldn't say the 6970m is working perfectly, else there wouldn't be any issues. As I said, it seems to work due to AMDs less strict MXM implementation and also because there are routines in the BIOS specifically for the 5870m which seem to work well enough for the 6970m to make the card run (more or less).
     
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    Were there not problems with dif. GPU in the AW-s too?. The guide i used as a ref. for the 6970m guide had HDMI and fan issues with other brands of MXM GPU-s in the AW. Most of them were bios related.
     
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    Yes, but the fan issues are not directly MXM related, and about the audio per DP/HDMI issues, this was a VBIOS issue since the non-Dell cards doesn't seem to have this feature implemented, or maybe they've implemented this differently (e.g. directly per HDMI, not per DisplayPort).
     
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    I think the reason that the gtx 560m didnt work because , it should have been made for someother laptop.
    All Alienware users reported that the blue gtx 560m card didnt work on their alienware machines , and I had the same blue one.
    I think gtx 560m clveo green card should work , not sure.
     
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    And so on. Isn't this just BIOS related?
    How or which tool you used to see this info? Just for interest. Thx
     
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    I think its more like hardware that can detect what gets sent and what not. Strange why would ASUS add MXM board stamp to a non MXM GPU ? The JH 5870m board is stamped MXM-Board. .....yes you can stamp a AW asus to but it does not make it AW but why would you stamp something MXM that is not ?
    I would agree with you that it is more like a half mxm then a full mxm but the main information sent and received is standard MXM code.

    Right on the fact that nvidia GPUS-s do not boot on a JH board nor a JW one.
    Also strange is that AMD would have a MXM board that works on a non MXM supporting mobo.
     
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    Not only, it also depends on the VBIOS up to a certain degree, but most issues when upgrading MXM systems are due to improper implementation of the MXM standard in the system BIOS.
    A lot of things can be discovered by simply using a HexEditor, at least as long as you know what you have to look out for.

    The connector is MXM compliant, however, the board does not adhere to the MXM standard.
    It's not even half MXM. A lot of stuff is missing in the system BIOS to make it an MXM system, and as already mentioned, the board is not MXM in the JH, even less in the JW. The only part which is MXM in the G73 series is the connector.
    As you noticed, a G73 with a Nvidia card does not POST successfully, and the reason lies (as already mentioned) in the system BIOS which is not MXM compliant.
    AMD is less strict when it comes to this, but it still wouldn't work if the JH hasn't already all the necessary calls and functions for the 5870m in the BIOS. As you might have realized, the 6970m doesn't work in the JW.
     
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    Hey , svl7 had confirmed that JW booted with gtx 470 and he could also acess bios.
     
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