Chastity's Thoughts on Repasting (Read Here First)

No games really need anything more than 2x AA with the FHD screen, anyways.

 

yeah I really dont even notice the difference between 2x and 4-16x AA unless im really intentionally trying to spot the difference. the only thing i dont like is games that dont have any AA settings (the fishing line in WoW used to really annoy me)

anyway what settings are good for the following in CCC:

Catalyst AI (i have it at standard, but was advised to turn it off because its for crossfire)
Tessellation (set to AMD optimized)
Mipmaps (set to performance, but people said its actually faster if you turn it to high quality because of processing time) - this setting is very noticeable in some games

 

Probably doesnt seem so small to a 10 yr old asian kid

 

It's because I didn't use 1080p resolution to run FurMark. You don't need to run it fullscreen to get 100% load. This way I can watch other monitors while it's running.

 

Ok so my pads and ICD7 all arrived, Dallers how did you remove the old thermal pads? Did you have to damage them or they came off easily?

I'll repaste monday evening in all probability and come back with the results afterwards.

 

Mine just fell off lol but they do have a mild adhesive on them and the new ones will too if they are as thin as mine be really careful when you peal the tape off of them because they stretch really easily. Once I peeled the old ones off I just clean the heatsink with an alcoholic swap and then laid the two strips over the VRAM and put the small square and the small rectangle piece over the controllers and then reseated the heatsink onto them and it fit perfectly. Better than before.

For some reason though my Caps have started to whine and I know this is a common thing with GPU's but it only happens when I stress with Furmark which is strange. My temps remain the same as posted but because its 25oC here at the moment im wondering if the increase in ambient is causing the squeeling. Doesnt make a noise when under load gaming.

 

Hmm, then maybe i'll stay with 1mm pads, i ordered 0.5mm and 1mm pads just in case . I doubt the capacitor whine is related to the thermal pad change though. 25C, at least you have it hot, today was 4C in Montréal.

 

Yeah, snow today in toronto >_<

 

Its nothing to do with the pads mate I assure you that its the capacitors whining and it only does it when running dynamic camera on furmark which is very strange. Stopped doing it now as its cooler today

 

Okay so here's my latest pain:

- Since my last repaste I am getting GSOD's.
- The disassemble and re-amssemble went fine so I have no qualms about my handy work causing this, this is more down to failing hardware I suspect.
- I have updated and rolled back drivers for the 5870.
- I will try the VBIOS next and if that GSOD continues I will then RMA the unit.

Hopeully they wont give me any grief on an RMA as the keyboard doesnt sit quite the same since my last repaste (although that will be explained as a simple keyboard clean).

Pretty pissed overall, from thermal shutdowns 6 months back to this, I have to say Im not a happy camper as I suspect my GPU is showing early signs of imminent death.

We'll see how the VBIOS sits, but as for a repaste these issues go beyond tinkering and into the 'dodgy hardware' box/area.

I have worked long enough as an electronic tech to know the signs.

Cross your fingers for me....;(

 

Firstly what are your temps like after repaste? I dont believe the thermal status of the card would cause the GSOD as that would just cause overheating and shutdown.

If you have not yet updated your VBIOS then that is why it is happening as the fix below chastity's signature HERE is what fixes this problem. Including mine.

I would highly recommend staying away from RMA and fixing it yourself, it would not surprise me if they tried to give you an integrated HP model to replace it if they cant be arsed to fix it.

In regards to the keyboard it sounds as though you have not replaced something correctly or you have bent the keyboard, I have repasted 9 times and my keyboard is in pristine condition if you take your time and are very gentle with it when you pry it up you should not be bending it. Make sure the top casing is clicked in all the way around.

 

@ Dallers

Yeah I went straight to my GPU-Z tool after each GSOD to check the temp, however each temp showed nothing over 88 so I dont believe this is related to temps.

It is, as they say, an intermittent fault.

It initially reared its head after going to DX11 drivers during a FURMARK stability test, which forced me to rollback.

LOTRO (Lord of the rings online) forces windows 7 back to windows basic colour mode which seems to be a 'crash point'. (even the character loading/intro screen caused a GSOD!, after rebooting and loading firefox back up I got one also - hardly confidence inspiring).

After rolling back to DX10 and testing on Crysis/SC2 and slowly working through a slow process I have had 5 days of superb performance, no GSODS and improved FPS.

However this morning for no reason whatsoever they returned, after changing nothing, I tested Crysis and the same flicker, stuttering and then GSOD. So much for suspecting a driver issue, I really should have done the VBIOS along way back, however GSOD's were never an issue for me till recently.

Doing VBIOS now, hopefully that will be sucessfull.

As for the keyboard, that was just me being too forceful and overly curious with the keyboard itself, I have separated the membrane a little which has caused it to rise even with clips in place (nothing a spares order won't remedy I imagine if they are available to order).

Crossing my legs, fingers and everything else that VBIOS stops my crashing.

 

Oh I see you haven't actually done the Vbios yet blimey then im pretty sure that is your problem as that was the only major fix for it that they released.

In regards to your temps could you be a bit more specific do you mean they dont go over 88oC under full load? Post some results if you can.

The keyboard is pretty flimsy so if you can whip it back out you might be able to bend it back into place with a bit of gentle leverage, however they are only $20-30 so if it does go t i t s up you can just replace it.

 

I finally repasted with ICD7 and changed my thermal pads to 0.5mm/6W(mK)^-1 ones. I get better temps overall now at load, idle temps are similar and my temps while using opera are lower (that sucker uses GPU acceleration so my clocks go up to 700/1000 every time i open or reload a tab). My DispIO temps aren't very different except that they now over at the threshold where the fans go to full speed. The gap between DispIO and memIO is lower now though. It seems to be 78-79 for me. Changing the pads was a bit tricky since i had to cut them to the right size and they were a bit sticky. I applied them like Dallers did.

Anyways here are some pics of my temps pre/MX-2/ICD7 and of the old and new pads:



The stock pad that is gray/blue (at least it looks that way to a colorblind person like me) was different than the one that is a darker gray and i couldn't remove it without destroying it. I used a knife with a snap off blade to cut the pads (yellow olfa knife to be more precise).

 

Quick question. What's considered idling? While I'm using my laptop for stuff like web browsing, or when the screen saver kicks in after inactivity? My screen save is just the black screen, so nothing is being run for it.

 

When the pc is doing light work, like browsing and Office work.

 

IC7 Update Week 3.

Sorry about the weekly posting I failed miserably at that for ya.

However here is my wonderful results after 3 weeks with my clocks 825/1100 at 1.15volts.

Last time I benched with lower settings I was pushing 82oC max on page 17 and this time I thought I would push it upto 8x AA and also put the resolution upto 720P just to prove that full load means full load in Furmark and now I only hit 80oC extreme burn in max at a push. Happily gaming at 72-73oC. My idle clocks are 405/1100 and sit solid at 49oC. IC7 + 0.5mm thermal pads - Rulez.

CPU temps are a bit high because im overclocking to 159FSB. 1.93Ghz - 3.23Ghz.

 

Gee, congrats on those temps. I get slightly higher than you, but they are still good:



Too bad my 5870 doesn't like if i OC my memory at 1100 and up. Haven'T tried 1090 in furmark yet, but CCC reports it's fine. The tests fails at 1100 though and i got a driver crash at those clocks. It recovered at least, not like at 1150 where i got a BSOD, first ever on my G73 .

EDIT: I didn't repaste my CPU like you so ignore those temps . I'd be interested to see what you get on CPU after an hour of prime95 though.

In response to the post below, i now every GPU is different, i just wish i could go higher as you but i get artifacts and crashes. At least i went at it until i BSOD'ed.

 

Ill run a test tommorow and post up the results I believe with the o/c in my Sig my CPU temps where idling 45-50 and when under full load which is 1.93ghz over all cores it hit 74-78oC. The CPU repaste did very little to the temps each and every time I repasted at stock 1.6ghz it hit 81oC max under full load so 5oC is not a big difference although the fact its 5oC lower with my FSB running at 159mhz I suppose it is.

In regards to the GPU every card is different so every overclock is also different I can go upto 840/1115 max but if I start stress testing above that it locks and restarts.

 

it seams all you people have better ambient temperature compare to mine . Mine HDD temp is always near 40C

 

For once no my Ambient temperature in the UK is 23oC at the moment its blooming hot.

 

Don't use HDD temp as a reference . I get 38 on idle since the fans rev slower, i get lower temps on furmark due to the fans reving up and cooling all of the notebook, not just the CPU/GPU since everything is in the same chassis and not completely isolated from each other.

It's still under 20C in Qc at the moment so it's great to do tests since the heating is set to 21-22. At 26 amb my temps go up like crazy, forgot to save that screenshot though so i'll have to do it again sometime when i'm in a hot location.

 

Well since my VBIOS update, my GSOD issue has now gone after waiting for some time to confirm. So I owe a thank you to ASUS for that but also a kick in the ribs for creating the beast in the first place :0

As for Temps I will be repasting as I have seen no improvement - most probably due to the cheap paste I used.

I contacted ASUS Service here in NZ and asked for a price on some spares. The girl told that a keyboard replacement wont void warranty but a warranty sticker tamper if dissasembling will - strange thing is, I did not see a single warranty sticker at any stage.

The beast is running along fine, however it is getting to winter here, I will post after a repaste soon, load temps are running at 95 now.

Thx Dallers for your input BTW.

 

The only sticker is on the CPU heatsink.

 

Did you use Asus Vbios or Chastity's? You might be thanking the wrong person I try not to use Asus stuff when I can haha! The only warranty sticker is on the corner of the CPU which doesn't really matter as the majority of repastes are required on the GPU only.

Im confused I thought u buggered the keyboard when doing the repaste?? If you used a standard paste move to IC7 because that is what its all about. In regards to the keyboard check these out Here and Here also put them in my sig although low resolution movies they are pretty clear what to do as im fed up with people saying they have damaged the keyboard or the audio cable so for the 10th time of doing so I removed mine to show ya how its done. I replaced my double sided tape so I did not cheat when removing it I find its all about applying the right pressure in the correct places.

The repaste is as simple as a being with women, firstly preparation is everything and you need make sure she is safe.

Remove what needs to be removed, lay her on her back and undo her bits and pieces - be gentle, flip her over and whip off the top and bottom - take your time no rush.

Then once you have taken off the clothing and your left with the most important part of all you cant just be jumping straight to it (IC7) without first warming it up. Once ready do the business, pluck up some courage and get to work but take your time of course.

Just before your finished pasting screw her back together and then finally take a few deep breathes..and unleash the power button!. Wait a while and check what needed to be done is done.

Repeat if required.

 

They're basically the exact same. Chastity modded idle clocks to match UVD to eliminate flickering. And Overdrive.

 

That flicker was one of the most annoying things on the planet so worthy of not thanking Asus for that

 

lol.

Anyways, stock vbios, catalyst 11.4, maxing out at 80C

All is well.

 

Ok. I watched the video on how to disassemble the laptop. Is there a guide somewhere that shows how to actually do the re-pasting?

 

Depending on what paste you are using once you have the mobo out its very simple. Be gentle with the GPU heatsink as to not dislodge the Thermal pads as they need to cover the VRAM.

Its easier using a thick TIM MX/IC7 to do the Pea method I use this with thinner ones also like when I use to use Arctic Silver and its a good method.

Pea shaped blob a couple of mm in diameter in the centre of the GPU and the CPU and then reseat the heatsink and screw in 1-2-3-4 in order and the heatsink will do the rest for you.

Repasting is the easiest part tbh once your past the keyboard and sound cable your off and running (videos in my sig on how I remove them) make sure you reseat the heatsink properly, reattach all wires and make sure they are placed correctly so you dont damage them when reassembling, make sure RAM slot 1 is pushed in properly and that the wireless cable is not covering the reset button. All little things but if not checked they could require you to open her up all over again

 

Here ya go: http://forum.notebookreview.com/asu...um/527654-newbs-guide-repasting-your-g73.html

Dallers covered pretty much everything too. The guide i linked has detailed instruction on how to unplug some cables if you are unsure how to.

 

Thanks guys!

 

What BIOS you are using? 213?
I am wondered why your GPU fan is running fullspeed. With such temps my fan rpm is almost 3700. And at 83-84°C (overclocked) it jumps to 4200 and goes back to 3700 again (cooled).

Just for interest:
You surely know the 'MSI card in JH' thread (my sig). This undervoltable 5870m runned stock at 63°C (4400rpm) fullload! That is cool.

 

Yep, those speeds are normal on 211/213. The fans kick in at full speed at 77-78C instead of 83-84 like on 209. This isn't a problem for some people who have a good paste job, stock or repaste since we don't hit that while gaming.

 

Yeah im on 211 just never got round to doing 213 I have a BIOS fright after bricking my last laptop but I find it runs fine.

My fans kick in at 80oC as all of my temps run only 1oC apart so I never see full load during gaming 71oC tops.

Im waiting for you to try the 6970M in your JH personally I wait patiently...

 

Yeah, I know the fan adjustments since 211. But I'm on 213 too.

Hehe...
I would really want to test this. But it's little bit to expansive for just testing and sitting at a loud G73 afterwards.

 

Hey

I have a problem with overheating as well and I gave my g73jh to an Asus tech. He caled for new thermal pads and they will arrive in some time and he also said that with the new pads i wont require a repaste. So i was wondering if what he said is true? and i am new to this so could someone tell me what exactly are the pads required to do as opposed to the paste?

Thanks

 

It will still require a repaste. The thermal pads are there to make contact between the GDDR5 chips and the heatsink. The paste if for the GPU core. To change the pads, you have to remove the heatsink and a repaste is thus needed. Asus will repaste it don't worry, the guy doing the work should know this even if the guy on the phone doesn't (Asus seems to be hiring grunts to answer the phone lately).