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    G50V - 9700m GT overclocking

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by adyingwren, Oct 15, 2008.

  1. adyingwren

    adyingwren Notebook Evangelist

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    Hey guys. Has anyone managed to do a successful overclock of the 9700m GT with rivatuner? Pls post the drivers you used too. Conversely, post any drivers which you know not to work

    I'm using 177.92 and no luck. Neither with the default drivers.
     
  2. aimfox

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    Why would you OC your graphic card in your laptop? I don't get why people uses their laptop to game when they know it will worn out the system and overheat its components.
     
  3. E.B.E.

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    Well, gaming laptops are quite popular it seems. Just look at Alienware. :) And G50 is a gaming laptop, so it's expected people will try to overclock the GPU.

    Even I play some games on my laptop (although usually nothing recent). Just because it's my main machine, and I no longer have a desktop where I live.

    More on topic, I'm certain I saw a report of someone being able to overclock -- but ViciousXUSMC did not manage to replicate the result (last time I saw the thread). Check the owner lounge/review threads, perhaps.
     
  4. ViciousXUSMC

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    It doesn't work. Still not sure where the block is (drivers, or bios) I think I may look into modding the bios of the card itself.

    As for why aimfox, because usually manufactures place a card at very safe levels leaving a lot of headroom for the card to give more performance. Overclocking the card can be the difference between how you play a game now, and being able to play it at a higher resolution, or with higher detail settings, or a smoother frame rate.

    Increasing the clocks on the card really does not damage it, and shortening the life of it is kind of nil too, it may last 5 years instead of 7 years and there is no solid proof that it shortens the life at all. Most people by then have moved on to a new unit. Increasing the voltage of the card is more of a risk and shortens the life more, even still people that do volt mods on there cards have them last for years and years as long as they keep cooling under control.

    Im thinking a bios mod is going to be the only solution here, I just hate to go that route as its much harder to test, much more risky, and also just a total pain. I did it with my 4850's on my desktop, so I assume it should be a similar process for nvidia, and we have a good guide somewhere on the forum already that I will dig up.
     
  5. ViciousXUSMC

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    Update: Just took the first big step in fixing the issue for some of us.

    Since it seems that overclocking is not going to happen at a software level due to what is probably a block by the bios. I moved to the next step.

    Directly editing the video card bios to give it new clocks. I have been working with AMI bios a lot lately with my EEE editing its post image and things like that.

    So I was able to pretty easily rip the video bios out of the g50v's bios. This is one thing rather than write a guide on it what I plan to do is create several bios for you guys to download that will move up from stock clocks to a high overclock in 10mhz steps. This way you can safely find a good overclock for your card and not go overboard trying to jump directly to a max overclock.

    Flashing is very very easy and safe since EZ-Flash is on the G50V.

    So the only problem right now is editing the video bios, Nibitor the tool that does this currently does not support the card, infact it has only 3 9000 series cards supported right now in v4.6, but I have submitted the ID's and all of the information to the creator of the program and hope that he adds it in soon or maybe sends me a beta version to work with.

    Soon as I can do this, you can look forward to my thread and all of the modified bios's. I will really enjoy working on this project for you guy and will be happy to be the first to get the G50V overclocked.

    I MAY test on my own machine a forced edit without support, its possible that it will work :p
     
  6. RdWing

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    I've done modded BIOS' for my 6800...but iono where to even start if I were to try to do that for this.
     
  7. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    Well, all is well but not well.

    I ripped the vbios out of the overall bios, I edited the vbios to new higher clocks. Nibitor does not offically support this card, but I figured thats ok it just wont read the values right so I put them in anyways.

    I replaced the vbios with my edted one, flashed it.

    No BSOD, all is well. However even STILL the gpu clocks are the same!

    I even ripped my bios, re-ripped out the vbios and checked to see that my modified values where there and they are! So there is still another controlling agent, and I have no clue what it is. Maybe the bios on the video card itself need to be flashed and not just the embeded ones in the G50.

    I have to be close.
     
  8. adyingwren

    adyingwren Notebook Evangelist

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    Thanks a lot for taking the trouble to do this for all of us :D. I for one certainly have no clue about such matters.

    Nvidia drivers from 178.24 (onwards) have support for the desktop 9500 GT so it may be somewhat more successful. Will try it soon.
     
  9. adyingwren

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    Any success yet Vicious?
     
  10. ViciousXUSMC

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    I have exhausted every resource I can think of. If a BIOS edit didnt work I cant think of what will.

    Shame really, this card has a lot of potential.
     
  11. adyingwren

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    Darn... well thanks a lot anyhow.
     
  12. Prodigy-man

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    I just got mine few hours ago, but you guys are saying that this 9700GT just can't be OCed at all?
     
  13. adyingwren

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    :S... I'm afraid so. No one's figured out how to yet.

    I'm sure we're not the only ones pissed off at this.
     
  14. Prodigy-man

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    HMm I found this thread on laptopvideo2go.com

    laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20370
    laptopvideo2go.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=20324&st=0&p=87124&#entry87124

    It shows that someone was able to do it.

    I am gonna try this today and see how it goes.
     
  15. ViciousXUSMC

    ViciousXUSMC Master Viking NBR Reviewer

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    Good luck with it then, report back. My guess is another person that doesnt even know enough about what they are doing to monitor there clocks and just uses a utility and thinks it works.

    Half that stuff in the first thread is wrong, like editing the vbios, you can rip the card bios right off the bios for the card is INSIDE the system bios.
     
  16. Prodigy-man

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    Yeah I thought the first one was kinda weird. But since nothing else works gotta try everything.
     
  17. Slaughterhouse

    Slaughterhouse Knock 'em out!

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    That's strange, why can't you guys OC?

    You can't do it using the built in Nvidia tool? That's what I used for my 9600M GT and it worked with no problems.
     
  18. Prodigy-man

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    I was also thinking in stead of OCing... why not just swap some other VC in it? I took it apart and Video Card is interchangeable. Plus G50VT has more powerful 8800GS in the same case. OC that to 8800GTS and u got yourself pretty fast gaming laptop.

    Where the "Fake" vent is on the bottom, do a mod and actually make a grill there so main FAN can suck air directly from outside in stead of inside and put more powerful VC in it. Question is where can I find 8800GS from G50vt....?
     
  19. adyingwren

    adyingwren Notebook Evangelist

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    That's what paricularly pissing me off. There are quite a number of 9600m GTs that have been OC'd even faster than the 9700m GT. Heck, there are even a few daredevil 8600m GTs that are faster. I'm seriously thinking I should've gone for the HP dv5t or wait for dell's new studio XPS laptops.


    Can you absolutely confirm that the video card is exhangeable? If you can so much as take it out and put it back (with pics :D) that would be good enough. You'll possibly find the 9800m GS (GTS?) online somewhere. I'm sure companies offering upgrades (like Zepto) might have them. I'll have a look around too.

    EDIT: the MXM slot may be incompatible... :(

    RE-EDIT: No its all good. Now its just whether Asus was nice enough to let us upgrade...
     
  20. Prodigy-man

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    Well I did take a look at it and it is connected to MXM slot, i didn't take it out because there was no point, you have to unscrew whole heat pipe assembley BUT VC is connected to a slot and can be taken out. 8800GS from the next gen G50 is such a nice update option, I am still kicking myself for buying this one LOL

    9700GT - 5700 3D06
    8800GS - 8800 3D06 and prob overclockable

    Plus this 9700GT is almost impossible to OC, so it's not leaving me with much options.

    Thing is where can I get 8800GS now? That place you mentioned Zepto, I can't find anything on mobile VC being sold there.
     
  21. adyingwren

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    The main point in seeing if it could be taken out is to check if Asus soldered the video card in which they may well have done. It would then be nigh on impossible to change the card.

    zepto are a 'boutique' laptop maker who allows their laptops to be upgraded and selling the video cards that the customers need for the upgrade.

    An alternative is just to contact assemblers/retailers like XoticPC, powernotebook, etc and ask if they'll sell you the video card. I could try to ask but I'm not in America so would be kind of pointless for me to.
     
  22. brian.hanna

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    some people can't afford 2 computers, and need what they have to be portable....

    go figure eh?
     
  23. Prodigy-man

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    Yeah then next thing i'd be doing is trying to see if it comes out. From what i saw it was not soldered and looks like it can be taken out easily once the heat pipe is out, check the reviews with pics, it does not look that bad. I guess I am going to try it and see 100%. I'll take some pics while @ it.
     
  24. Slaughterhouse

    Slaughterhouse Knock 'em out!

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    But I don't understand what's preventing you from OCing? I mean what's stopping you from using the Nvidia program that I linked in my other post? When I open up my Nvidia control panel, I can adjust the clocks right there.
     
  25. ViciousXUSMC

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    MXM Cards are easy, but these cards are not so much. They do not have there own independant bios, its controlled via system bios. So Asus can block overclocking easily via there system bios. Or simply all the programs out there wont work with it.
     
  26. Slaughterhouse

    Slaughterhouse Knock 'em out!

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    Interesting...I'm sure once you guys figure out a way to work around that, this card will be a beast.
     
  27. adyingwren

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    Is there any way to reprogram the system bios?
     
  28. adyingwren

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    *bump* any progress anyone?
     
  29. imlinked

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    I was googling around for oc'ing 9600m gt's and came across this thread...

    and yeah... my 9600m gt is scoring 6953 stable in 3dmark06... there are others with 7k+ o_o;

    In my case, the gx620 video bios was locked and couldnt software OC. Used gpu-z to extract bios, nibitor to edit bios, and nvflash to flash the edited bios in. Guess the case is diff here though.

    best of luck to you guys, should try contacting asus to update there bios to allow oc'ing.
     
  30. adyingwren

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    :(... This truly is very depressing. With the release of the version with the 8800m GS (for cheaper), this is truly a double-whammy from Asus.

    I'll give the bios thing a go myself, but if Vicious couldn't do it, i'm not too optimistic.
     
  31. rikymalfoy

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    Any update on this?
     
  32. Prodigy-man

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    Anyone managed to OC it yet?
     
  33. adyingwren

    adyingwren Notebook Evangelist

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    Has anyone tried the 169.xx drivers? If not they might be our last hope
     
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    C'mon I am sure that someone can do this!

    We can't update the graphic card to the 9800. we can't overclock. ***!!!??!
     
  35. adyingwren

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    I'll give various drivers a go later but I'm not optimistic. Vicious mentioned something about the video card bios being different from usual.
     
  36. steadfast9661

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    he said all of the mx cards dont have bios's, they rely on the system bios, so Asus or any maker can disable it.
     
  37. NightWalker

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    I might be misunderstanding you, but I think you are trying to say MXM cards do not have there own video bios'? MXM based graphics cards have their bios' built onto the GPU module itself. There are other cards based on the MXM design that manufacturers use that are similar, but they are NOT actual MXM cards and most of them do not have an on board bios, it is built into the system bios itself.

    This is why Vicious had to rip the system bios and edit the video bios section of it. Anyway, I hope you guys can figure it out. Good luck!
     
  38. simonfzhao

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    Bump :p
    I have 2 qustions :D

    1. Has the progress been well? Is there anything I can contribute to help? :eek:
    2. Is this thread stating that the VC in the G50 is not soldered on? :eek:
     
  39. Alyxis`

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    Hey guys i've been following this tread coz i own a G50 and love it but the graphics is annoying me especially that Asus brought out the new G50's with better cards a week after i got mine :(.. i did a few searches and saw a forum that a fellow said he got his 9700m gt to 750/1750/1850 i'm no expert so i was wondering if ye guys could tell me if this is possible...i cant link the site coz i need 15 posts first...but google "9700m gt overclocking" and go to the site laptopvid2go.com...its 4/5 down on the list....it might work but i'm hoping maybe Vicious or someone could check it out please....thanks
     
  40. simonfzhao

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    Are you talking about this one?
    Because if you are, you read it wrong :S his VC is an 8700M GT
     
  41. Alyxis`

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    Ya sorry i misunderstood it..in all my excitement..I really wish that someone can find an way to overclock it...Its really annoying me especially since the 9800gs came out for this laptop....
     
  42. simonfzhao

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    haha it's alright, I'm in the we all feel the same xD
    hopefully Vicious will think of new ways to flash the bios when he's not busy :p
     
  43. Enlefo

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    Couldn't we put in a 9800gs and then reflash with the g50vt bios? Since the video bios is contained in the system bios I was thinking this would be feasible. I wish I had held out for the VT-A2 model instead of the V-A2 I have, better video card and 320 gig drives vs 200. :-/ Oh well... there is always something better about to come out.
     
  44. thalanix

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    g50v here as well, bios 207 (dated 09/02/2008). did some experimenting with rivatuner and the clocks, still no go.

    the shaders can be overclocked (instability in all 3d apps), but not the memory or core. every time i tried setting it beyond the stock, rivatuner would reset the slider and clocks (and reallocate the memory if it was frozen).

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    now for the interesting part...
    cs:s crashed, so i had to shut down via 5-second-power-button. upon booting, the asus logo had no sound. instead, the sound plays and freezes at a high pitch. the kind where your old NES would freeze and there would be a short sound loop.

    unplugging from AC and taking out the battery for a bit seems to have fixed it (i hope). it happens every boot after setting the clocks, so like Vicious said, it's a bios block. soon ill try with a modded bios.

    edit: the sound still comes back. reflashing to 205 helped (although i assume reflashing 207 would also work).
     
  45. E.B.E.

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    That sounds like an idea, assuming nothing else has changed on the mainboard except the GPU (and of course assuming that the GPU is discrete and that the heatsink layout is the same). And assuming one could get the G50Vt card (which may be custom model and only available from ASUS).
     
  46. Prodigy-man

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    Card is removable and V models are all the same xept the video card which appears to be the same size. Heat sicks look the same too. All i need now is G50V bios and the 8800GS. I called Asus but they said NO go on sale of the 8800GS. Just check my prev posts.
     
  47. adyingwren

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    If its MXM, we might be able to find the card elsewhere.
     
  48. simonfzhao

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    So wait..has it been established that the G50v has an upgradable GPU? :eek:
     
  49. adyingwren

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    Not quite. What we have established is that:
    a) The GPU is REPLACEABLE in the G50V
    b) The G50V has basically the same design as the G50Vt
    c) Hypothetically, a G50Vt bios can be flashed onto the G50V

    The problem is where to get the 9800 GS
     
  50. E.B.E.

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    Point c) is not hypothetical, it can surely be done. The question is whether the laptop will still boot afterwards. :D
     
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