G50v-x1 GPU change out?

I did some research on it, and was never able to find a true 100% correct answer, some guy apparently did it by switching out his mobo, with the g51's. Than he was able to put a gtx 260m into ti. Is this truely the only way to upgrade the graphics card in this machine?

Currently has the 9700m.

 

If you switched out the motherboard with a G51 it would be a G51, as well as getting a G51 with a broken screen and swapping over the screen from your G50v as they are parts compatible. So in that guys method yes you can buy a G51 if you like, in a few ways shapes and forms.

I believe there was a guy here with an M50 or some other M series that put a 9800M GS from a G50 but lost fan control he has a thread here about wanting to go the next step to a GTX 260M. If he can goto a 9800 you probably can too.

If you want to chance it you try the same swap done on the G50VT but I cant say anyones tried it? I believe dtdood is one of the guys who swapped a 260 into a VT model. Eitherway every swap I have seen the donor card is from an ASUS.

 

Ah.. So in order to stuff the 260m into my computer... I need to get either

1. A G51 motherboard or
2. A Vt motherboard that had the 9800m

 

Assuming the G50v wont take a 260M yeah those would be options. But I cant say wether or not its capable. The VT motherboard said G50V rev 2.0 on it.

You do realize the 260M has a tendency to idle high and run well into 100C+ in this chassis? Save the money buy a new laptop lol.

 

Yea, if I am to buy a new laptop, can I use my x9100 in it?....

 

Heh a new new one no lol. Very much out dated now. Laptops are moving into the second generation of Mobile i5 and i7 now and by the end of the year the likely to be compatible ivy bridge processors could be out. I know your probably no looking to spend alot or enough to grab one of these i7 sandy bridge units that would pwn your x9100 all day long. The msi 680r with the gtx 460m and an i7 quad that rocks most older desktop i7s runs about 1500. But the rare asus 260ms G51s can be alot to pay for just to have a video card that hits 115c well over the boiling point of water and near melting the solder off the board. Just to play only a handful of games.

 

I understand what you're saying. I don't think I'll purchase one just yet, maybe 3-6 months. What would you suggest in said time? If you even know what may or may not be out during that time.

I guess.. What is the best gaming laptop on the market right now?

What is the best Asus gaming laptop on the market right now, and how does that compare to the best gaming laptop (if it already isn't asus)

 

I will be honest in that I do look once in awhile for a 260M from a dead or whatever G51 or G60. But its something like getting an X9100. Back when it all came out it would have been worth it and maybe if the parts came along at the right price I would still do it. But that puts me that much further from a new system.

I haven't seen anything that says the G50V rev 1 board cant take the card but I cant say I have seen it done, most of these threads are endless speculation till someone takes the risk. One note on the G51 board. There is probably not a provision for the OLED display as it does not have one. The OLED display is a usb device so you could probably modify it to work off the back usb port. Another thought is the PLL is not the same so the paid (6 dollar) version of setfsb is needed.

If you managed to come across a board based upon one users experience and the testing done by GenTechPC the best buy models do not support quad. This is probably less of a concern but maybe if you wanted to sell the X9100 for a QX9300. That as you know it isnt really worth it. As far as the GPU goes its been suggested several times that the Cooler from the G60 is better, another hard to get part.

Okay so for all the new computer stuff lol
Its a bad question lol, so lets try to answer it. Obviously the first thought goes to Dual 485M's in SLi with a Hexacore (6) i7 desktop cpu lol. Before I even go any further I will just stop with that costing Over 4 grand.

I used to love ASUS and the Die Hards that recieved G73's and G53's with minimal troubles compared to the rest of them will back ASUS up all day long. I had no issues with my G50VT, and other then my RT-N16 router dying just as fast as everyone elses I still have hope for the company.

As far as ASUS and Sandy Bridge (Second Gen Core i series) goes the ASUS G73SW-3DE would probably be the flagship model, Doesnt look like the 53 received sandy bridge yet. MSI and ASUS and by now hopefully everyone else has resumed production after the initial chipset defects from intel. Note the G73 SW starts out at 2 grand but it does offer Nvidia 3D.

MSI and Sager are what I am looking at and while lacking as far as 3D offerings they have the same bang for buck performance that attracted me to ASUS. The MSI 660's had a good run and I hope the 680R is going to be the same way. The G73 chassis was well as many MSI and Sager offerings tend to run cooler and where better designed then the G50/51.

If I was going to buy today it might be the MSI 680R which features the same 460M GPU and i7-2630QM processors as the G73SW-3DE and saves you 500 bucks while losing size, weight and sadly 3d. The i7-2630QM benches just shy of the Desktop i7-2500 which beats out the Per core performance of the original i7 Hexacore. Per core performance should also be well above the X9100 unless it was clocked into oblivion (say 4Ghz?). That should run games limited to 1 or 2 threads as well or better than now and give you the ability to take advantage of games optimized for quad or the extra cpu power for recording with fraps, etc.

Funny that it looks just like a damn G50 dont it:


There are certainly other options out there, I am sure if you have your original cpu you could sell the X9100 and then sell the G50 as a general use computer. But any further modification will only get you so far. ASUS is an option, but the MSI 680R would keep you in a 15 inch and save money. I can write all day so feel free to bring up any other thoughts you have but id like to stop here due to how long this post is.

 

I love your efforts and enthusiasm Well done! I love being taught about stuff like this, really.


What about alienware's m17x R3, costs like a million dollars but hey lol

I do have the original CPU also, What does this model of g50v go for roughly.. maybe $300? I probably won't be in any hurry to get a new computer since my toys are my (2) $30,000 trucks... haha

DO you know of anywhere you can get a monthly payment on computers? I don't care about the interest, I make enough money to deal with it. I just don't want to see my bank account drop $1,600-$2,200 at once.

 

Alienware..... I'd rather take my chances with ASUS. Stick around and look at all the trouble the M11x, M15x and M17x's have. They have power and the M17x was promising especially with its upgradable dual gpu capability. But it seems some people cant even play games that would obviously run on the hardware. Dell and theyre subsidiary Alienware offer up alot of tasty hardware, but theyre usually ripping you off and thats assuming it actually works. There are alienware guys just like the ASUS guys, Alienware people are actually worse.

The R3 base model does offer the same i7-2630QM while serving up the alternative Radeon 6870 at the same base price as the MSI GT680R, It however offers a lower resolution screen 1600x900 in a 17 inch laptop compared to the MSI's 15 inch 1080P. You can upgrade to 1080P for an extra 150 bucks and then you gain the advantage of a 17 inch laptop versus 15 at such a high res. It is also avaliable with Nvidia 3D Vision if you go for the 460M instead, they also serve up the 6970 if your looking for the best radeon. As it is a new revision there are chances of it being better like anything.

Cant say I know of any places that would have anything of interest on those kind of plans. But if you have decent credit and actually wanted to go Alienware Dell does offer such plans for purchasing, not sure if it applies to alienware.

 

I would much rather buy your MSI 680, that thing is a ing beast!!!! It's outstanding for the price, the M17x is outstanding too, but retardedly overpriced. If I need a new computer, which I don't, but who does? everyones want's) I would get the MSI, hands down. Thanks again! Hopefully in a few months they have an equivilent MSI 680 thats EVEN better

 

I will keep an eye out if any of the ASUS hardware you desire turns up but that stuff goes quick and for too much money so good luck with it wouldnt waste my money on it with the games I play.

The m17x starts out at a surprisingly decent price for a 17 inch, but to get it up to spec with the G73SW-3DE it does cost more money. The only advantage to buying the M17x from Dell versus say the GT680R from someplace like xoticpc is if you want upgrades, dell is actually cheaper since resellers charge the full retail on most upgrades. But I could deal with the GT680R stock, the i7-2630QM CPU is up there in comparison with the last generation and it still hangs with desktop chips.

In a few months there will be more sandy bridge offerings, but the scaled down process Ivy Bridge chips (as with any generation) will come out running cooler and capable of higher clock speeds and is expected by the end of the year.

It depends on how long you can wait, I am seriously thinking about building a desktop around the i5-2500K (unlocked version of the 2500 for 20 bucks more) since my ASUS is still working fine.

 

I just so may have found a 260m, and even if I did say have one, Still requires alot of work doesn't it? I would assume the hardest part is finding the other parts required, unless you found a donor g51x. A broken g51 still costs like $2-400 most likely and I have yet to see any broken ones for sale. Basically got to buy a new one.

 

If you can get the card just contact dtdood or find his thread and try exactly what was done with the G50VT and see if it works. Worst case scenario you already acquired the card for the next step.

Remember a standard 260M from a alienware, sager, whatever doesnt work it has to be from an ASUS preferably the G51 or G60 im not sure if the G7* models work or not another member might be able to confirm. The standard MXM cards not only usually wont fit, their not compatible at all with the G50.

 

No, the g7 doesn't work.

If you know or if dtdood tunes in.. I need for the swap:

1. g51x/g60 GTX 260m GPU
2. g51 mobo and or different GPU bottom plate
3. g51 style GPU heatsinks?



I pm'd dtdood 2 days ago, hopefully he gets my pm

 

Ill have to look but best of my knowledge the G50 heatsink is compatible with the 260M, the core is in the same place but rotated 45 degrees. I remember when the G51 came out they forgot to program the paste machine to the new position. I cant speak for the bottom plate but the ram should be in the same place. The G60 cooler as i said is probably the only different one out there that also fits.

For comparison with the G50VT Back Plate, which should be the same layout as the G50V and G51 and the 9800M GS for layout comparison with the proper 260M GTX:


I am still thinking your stock motherboard is a possibility.

 

I am willing to take the chance, worse case scenario, brick lol

Note, the g50v backplate is different from the g50vt backplate.

Can I put the entire cooling assembly of the g51j into my g50? The one with the dual tube heatsinks? If I am going to put the 260m into my notebook I am going to want a slight bit more cooling.. I know the g60 fan fits, and is cooler.. Well at least that is what I read?


This is the backplate peice i need from the g51


This is the piece I have

 

Yeah there is definitly a difference there. So yeah you will need to collect a 9800M GS or 260M backplate as well as the rest of the cooling system. Never dealt with the v model that sucks that it is that much different on the cooling end.

Minus the top section the case is pretty much the same, the bottom panel is the same as well as the whole bottom section. The G51 cooling assembly will fit in there.

The top pic u posted according to the file name is from a G50VT, but yeah. By looking at it it also has the antenna port that was excluded later on.

 

Yeah it's retarded right? And my lucky got stuck with it

Yeah the vt and 51 have the same backplate, I beleive..

So.. If the g51 fan/heatsinks fit, does that means that the g60 cooling will fit?

Also, just spent an hour reading this about cooling, essentially this should have the same effect on my computer right? http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/411871-asus-g51-cooling-mod-5.html

He cut out the hole in the bottom of the bottom plate and is running cooler temperatures. I have read reviews about its a engineering design blah blah. If you are pushing cool air into it (via my nc-2000) it works.

 

Thats what I have been told. Last i checked the main difference other then the cooler was the 16 inch display, the G50 is a huge laptop and is only a 15.4 or 15.6 inch by screen and not actual size. It barely fits in my 17 inch case. Thats how the G60 existed lol, when they said the G51 would be available in a 16 inch people were like WHAT?

 

Hm, should I buy a cooling fan off ebay for like $45 then and test it out?

Also I updated my best just before this, I don't think you read it.

 

The real risk is the ram and the wifi card not getting cooler, and the wifi card can overheat all day long as is. But if your going to a 260M then its probably worth the risk, and when your at home on the zalman its not a big deal. I actually sometimes run bottom off on the cooler to get great temps, but it makes picking up and leaving a little slow.

Yeah i forgot about it, as much as I detest the practice of messing with that bottom playe if you have a 260 you might wanna do it.

What do u need another cooling fan for? 45 bucks for what you already have the NC2000 a fan by itself should never cost that much lol.

 

I ment a cooling fan (entire assembly cooling for the g60)

Also, from this guys research.."kondor999" Post 48 of:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/411871-asus-g51-cooling-mod-5.html


HDD temp and THRM stayed exactly the same. ASUS's line about needing the fan to pull air across other components is total BS.

As I stated earlier, the chassis is *not* hermetically sealed, and therefore that tiny fan is generating almost zero airflow all the way over on the other side of the chassis. I'm sorry, but it's just ridiculous. The fan barely generates suction 1/4" in front of its intake - much less 12" away with multiple components and air leaks in between.

Try touching the memory after extended gaming. It's barely warm. Same for the HDD. Even if ASUS were correct, it's the GPU that needs cooling - not an HDD running at 42c. I'd gladly make the trade to better cool my 90c+ component.

 

Hey Erics_G50v and RainMotorSports, figured I'd pipe in here.

So there are a few major considerations you need to take when swapping out to a 260m.
1) The fan control will not work. The fan will spin at 100%, all of the time. You will need to make yourself some sort of fan controller if this is bothersome. Since it's just 5V I inserted a simple variable resistance between the 5V source and the fan, however I have to keep monitoring the GPU temp (since it's the hottest component) and turn the fan up or down manually.

2) Drivers are a pain in the butt. I don't know what it was, but I couldn't get drivers to work correctly until I personally modded them myself to accept the vendor ID and subsystem IDs. DOX drivers work for some people but my brightness settings would stop working if I closed my lid or woke up from sleep. I'm now using personally modified official nvidia drivers.


Some other things that you should know:
-The heatsink and fan will fit perfectly when swapping to the G60/G51 fan assembly.

-The bottom copper plate is different, as mentioned by some people on this forum, only if you go from G50v to G50vt/G60/G51. If you have a G50vt it's identical. I bought a scrapped G51 and compared for myself when I did the swap.

-The G60/51 fan has 17 blades vs the G50vt's 13. I don't know if it spins faster or slower but it definitely keeps things cooler. I highly recommend swapping out the fan.

-If you make a manual fan controller consider modding the VBIOS using Nibitor to make the shutdown temp a few degrees cooler, in case you forget to turn up your fans (because it WILL HAPPEN) I set mine to 105C and now it downclocks at 101C, never goes past 102C. Not cool, but definitely takes the edge off of the 110C that some people report.

-I modded my backplate a little by drilling a few holes by the GPU. It knocked temps down by about 5-8C. Copper blocks helped drop temps a few degrees more and actually reduced my idle temps a bit. It also makes the GPU heat up more slowly, which I think it more valuable (because it's heating and cooling cycles that weaken joints in the GPU).

Hope this helps, sorry it took so long to get back to you, Eric!

EDIT: AllUrGroceries, you're everywhere. Mod of the year

 

Excellent Info, thank you.

I have aquired a g51 mobo, and 260 gtx My friends step-dad is a computer manager bs crap idk. Anyway, he refurbishes tons of PC's every day. I asked him to watch for this computer, and he gave me the mobo and gtx for $75. Fare deal? He said they work just fine.

 

If you have a G51 motherboard then the fan control will not be an issue, You are essentially building a G51. When you have it up and running let me know if u wanna try to build a connection for the OLED display. I believe I have found the 5th usb solder points on the G50 board see if they are and also if they are on the G51.

 

What. I paid a lot more than that just for the 260m (though after I sold the rest of the parts I think it came to about $40). Nice deal! Maybe you can pull a profit out of it! If you have a G51 mobo you won't need to worry about the fan controller.

HOWEVER

You now are in a situation where the LCD might not match up to the connector. The G51 uses an LED backlit screen vs the G50's CCFL backlit screen. This means if there are any power connectors from the mobo to the screen they will not fit.

ALSO

The G51 board is void of an OLED screen.

Just some precautions for any extra variables you might not have thought of.

 

As far as the backlight there is a separate connector best of my knowledge to the board and it is actually the same as my old compaq, now if it matches with the G51 display inverter/power is a different story.

The board doesnt contain the oled display, just the connector for it. Its a USB device but its also 5 wire so I havent looked into it.

 

I didn't know the G51 had the USB connector for it. I never looked actually. And you're correct, it is 5 wires. USB-B connectors are also 5 wires, perhaps it's something similar?

 

Nice.. Hopefully the MB works as he says. I really only wanted it for the heatsink back plate. He didn't give me the cooler/fan or heat sinks, at least I don't think. I haven't received it yet lol. I will let you know when he gets it to me.

So dtd, I can get a g60/g51 fan off ebay or another place and simply put it in? the entire set up? cpu/gpu heatsink, the ones with dual copper tubes?

 

If I don't use the mobo.. will the g60/51 fan/heatsinks full work?

http://cgi.ebay.com/13N0-GZA0501-13...900?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f0803941c

Or

http://cgi.ebay.com/13GNYL1AM020-1-...416?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4157881d40

 

bump lol...

 

Omg look at all them tasty parts an X1 back cover!

The answer your looking for is yes. Good call too it appears the JX is the key one too the VX is different, quad versus dual core cpu. But pay close attention the one sale is the cpu assembly only which u dont need that much b ut the other does show the gpu heatsink just doesnt mention much about the item.

 

Only $5 more though

 

I believe the GPU heatsinks are in fact identical, so if you get just the CPU one it's not a bad idea. However you must get a VX model, not a JX one, since the JX is for the Core i series and does not have a chipset cooler.

 

Alright, would it be wise to upgrade to the vx from my g50?

 

Your gonna need the gpu cooler for either the 50vt the 51vx or the 60vx/jx for the new card. I was looking earlier not much available seperatly.

 

Yeah RainMotorsports is right. GPU heatsink from any G50vt/G51/G60, but CPU heatsink+fan from a VX model will get you the best cooling.

By upgrade do you mean just move to a G51/G60vx?

 

Fan, not comp, yeah lol

 

Is it just me or did the price on X9100's go down.... i want lol 250 bucks hell yeah.

 

Yep, thats what I paid

 

SO have u bothered throttle stopping it to a higher multiplier yet? I cant really get past 315 mhz on the bus and i dont feel like buying ram to try and see if it helps but the last cpu i had i got the same bus speeds.

Would be nice to hit a stable 300 on the bus and then pop the multiplier up 1 or so as well.

 

I have no idea how to change to 315MHz on the bus, the only thing I know how to do/understand so far is set multiplyer to 13.5 x 266 MHz = 3561 GHz. That's all the farther I've gone. With that I up'd voltage to like 1.285v

Would this still work, It says g71.. but also g51 for GPU cooling...IDK

ASUS G71G G51vx Video card Heatsink 13N0-9GA0F01 - eBay (item 390292108309 end time Mar-26-11 05:47:07 PDT)

I also found this, this works according to your information

http://cgi.ebay.com/Asus-G50Vt-Lapt...447?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item1c194f4407

And this correct?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ASUS-G50-G50VT-...533?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3a5f91d755

I just don't want to buy it if it's incorrect.

 

First one is the wrong layout and won't work.

Second and 3rd are just the GPU heatsink but those will both work fine.

 

260m Showed up today

I put an order in for the 2nd GPU heatsinks, I also bought the g60VX CPU cooling fan/ heatsink.

Also, still waiting on the mobo from the vt

I AM EXCITED!!

Also update on temps.. Does this still look fine?

Idle core - 15-18C
Gaming Core - 40-55C

GPU - Idle 50c
GPU - Gaming 78C max.

Note.. still have the 9700, not the 260m yet...

 

Its fine for the 9700 lol. My 9800 on the overclock idles 45 to 50 but it had a recent cleaning and pasting. Not sure your CPU is correctly read though. Unlike the GPU which eventually reports the temperature. The CPU reports the distance to the TJMax and if the program doesnt know it and uses an incorrect value it will read incorrectly.

HWMonitor after the first run you can edit the INI from whatever it is to the real value, Everest has a setting menu for it. Core Temp and Real Temp are usually pretty good at getting it. Should be 105, this was a problem with the Core 2 Duo's mainly. But when i googled for it i noticed a guy saying every reboot hwmonitor changed back to 100. Myne is 105 and HWMonitor by default sets it to 90 which if i remember correctly makes it read hotter than it is.

 

So rain.. What are you saying?... lol

Also.. What screen replaces with my G50? I would love a 1080p screen

 

If you can find a single CCFL 15.6" 1080p screen, go for it. I couldnt find any and ended up buying a 15.4" screen with a 15.4" bezel. It's 1680x1050. I actually would not recommend this upgrade for several reasons, the first two being:
1) The screw holes do not line up when switching from 15.6" to 15.4" or vice versa. You cannot switch to 15.6" from 15.4" without some heavy modifications to the brackets holding the screen in as they will be too slim. My screen is held in with a combination of cardboard shims, metal glue, and gorilla tape. Seriously.

2) Gaming performance drops at higher resolutions and it will heat up your GPU more. I think the drop is roughly 1500-2000 pts in 3dMark06.

 

I am saying that i have no clue what your temp reading program is, and if its any of the ones I use. Theyre wrong until you correct them with the exception of maybe core temp and real temp. The GPU reads fine tho.

 

Thanks or both the concerns.. I guess I will be staying with my screen than. Oh well I can live lol