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    G73 5870 softmod to firepro 8800

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by smile_gerard, Jul 16, 2010.

  1. smile_gerard

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    I've been looking for driver alternatives ever since i got my G73, today i found one so i'm sharing with the rest of you the process.

    For those who are not aware, Ati makes cards for gaming (radeon) and professional graphics (firegl, firepro) cards. But fact is, their more or less the same card. Just that they have different drivers.

    Credit goes to schoko of guru3d forums.

    Pros:
    Better viewport performance in 3d softwares such as 3dsMax, Maya and also CAD softwares.
    I notice my text looking more crisp (my opinion don't quote me on this)
    Basically its a softmod to convert a gaming card into a professional workstation card. Well its not a 100% convert but close enough.

    Cons:
    Gaming performance isn't as good. But its not that bad really.
    You loose overdrive
    You loose video hardware acceleration. (you tube will just give a green screen unless u disable hardware acceleration)

    These are my results using specviewpref11:

    radeon 10.5 driver.
    Specviewpref 11 64bit
    Asus G73
    Mobility 5870
    8gb ram
    i7-720qm

    catia - 4.81
    ensight - 3.07
    lightwave - 17.43
    maya - 5.68
    proe - 1.51
    sw - 14.74
    tcvis - 3.52
    snx - 6.96


    This was my earlier results with firepro softmod

    Specviewpref 11 64bit

    Catia-03 - 5.74
    Ensignt - 3.12
    Lightwave01 - 17.63
    Maya 03 - 31.27
    Proc 05 - 2.79
    Sw 02 - 18.01
    Tcvis 02 - 13.12
    Snx 01 - 18.70

    I just did a test with specviewpref10 "Run viewpref 1280x1024 x64" with radeon 10.5 drivers and this was that i got:

    SPECviewperf10
    1280x1024

    3dmax 04 - 17.49
    catia 02 - 13.93
    ensight 03 - 26.99
    maya 02 - 29.46
    proe 04 - 11.75
    sw 01 - 29.67
    tcvis 01 - 6.87
    ugnx 12.57

    Softmod
    1280x1024

    3dmax 04 - 43.59
    catia 02 - 34.84
    ensight 03 - 57.93
    maya 02 - 214.50
    proe 04 - 40.91
    sw 01 - 89.54
    tcvis 01 - 35.56
    ugnx 01 - 55.68

    As far as the mod goes, i see improvement all across the board. A drastic improvement in maya. I also notice that with this driver UDV is disabled. It could be related to why we can't use hardware acceleration in youtube and stuff.

    First of all these are the files we need to download

    Riva Tuner
    http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=163

    Firepro 8.723
    http://support.amd.com/us/gpudownload/fire/8-723/Pages/fire_win7-64.aspx

    atiogl.xml
    atiogl.xml (credit snuggles0220 of guru3d forums)

    This is the patch script from schoko which i edited the details for our 5870
    Paste this into a notepad then rename it with the extension of rts. To be used with riva tuner later.
    A crash course on how to do this if you do don't know how to change the extension.

    1 - Open a folder any folder (win7 should be same as vista. Xp is similar but i don't remember.)
    2 - Click on "organize" in the top left hand corner
    3 - Select "folder and search options"
    4 - Click on "view" tab
    5 - Untick "hide extension for known file types"
    6 - open a new notepad
    7 - copy the script from below and paste it in.
    8 - when you save your notepad file for example "gerard.txt" just rename it to "gerard.rts"
    9 - a prompt will appear, select "yes"

    (If it doesn't work for you, try swapping the deviced ID in the 2nd last line. From "68 A0" to "A0 68" By right it is suppose to be "A0 68" but i don't know why but "68 A0" works for me.)
    Ok let us begin patching the drivers.

    1 - extract the firepro drivers

    2 - C:\AMD\FirePro_8.723_Win7x64_98793\Packages\Drive rs\Display\W76A_INF.
    the file is called: C7_100464.inf (open with notepad)

    3 - edit

    "ATI FirePro V8800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6888"

    to

    "ATI FirePro V8800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A0"

    (68A0 is the device ID of the card it should be the same for all of our g73)

    4 - use riva tuner to patch atikmdag.sy_ in the B100148 folder (use the notepad file you made earlier) Install rivatuner first, then double click the file. A window will pop up, click "continue" change files of type to "atikmdag.sy_" then navigate to the folder you extracted to. And patch it :)

    5 - replace the atiogl.xml in the same folder

    Ready to be installed (have disk method - refer to link)
    http://forums.laptopvideo2go.com/topic/11997-have-disk-method-for-windows-7-vista/

    Problem is windows 7 64bit has driver enforcement crap.
    So we need to do this extra steps unless you want to press f8 each time you start.

    Here are the steps

    1 - Disable driver signing (do before installing from a clean driver install)
    http://www.killertechtips.com/2009/05/05/disable-driver-signing-windows-7/

    2 - download dseo 1.3b
    3 - run dseo - enable test mode
    4 - restart pres f8
    5 - select disable driver signature enforcement
    6 - run dseo - sign a system file
    7 - (c:\windows\system32\drivers\atikmdag.sys) Paste into the dialog box
    8 - Your good to go. There will be a water mark at the bottom right corner.
    9 - Optional http://deepxw.blogspot.com/2008/12/remove-watermark-v03-build-20081210.html (to get rid of the water mark i used the 1st method)

    10 - disable windows update because windows always thinks the radeon driver is the better driver.

    As for control panel just install any radeon CCC of your choice. Powerplay function all are there. I personally went for the 10.6 ccc. Just don't select to install any drivers.
    If you have no sound when u use hdmi to a tv, u need to enable the hdmi audio. For me it played through the laptop speakers unless i went into "sound" (right click volume icon - sounds) i then just made the ati hdmi the default while connected to the tv and it worked just fine.

    I haven't fully tested it but its definitely running on my G73. One issue i've come across is youtube doesn't play. But there is a work around. Right click and disable hardware accleration. It should then work, if it doesn't i installed a grease monkey script called "Youtube enhancer" it works very nicely after disabling hardware accleration.

    Do let me know if any changes or mistakes are made and i will change them. This won't benefit those who want gaming performance. It is more for people using softwares such as Maya.
     
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    this is great! What catalist is the fireGL driver based on?
     
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    This is one of those "If you don't know that you need it, you don't need it" scenarios. But you might want to explain it to people (like me) that don't know WHY they don't need it. (please?)
     
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    The Radeon line is for games, the FireGL line is for CAD and stuff like that. If you mainly play games, you want to keep the 5870 as it is. If you are a design pro or an engineer, you're going to want to use the card as if it were a FireGL card.
     
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    And the design softwares will really run faster after this method?
     
  6. smile_gerard

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    Its more of asking you to compare a 5870 and a 8800. You will find your answers there. But we have to know that it is still just a softmod so don't expect it to run like an 8800 perfectly. I haven't gotten it tested fully because SPECviewperf11 doesn't seem to download for me. But i did run one round of 3dmark and i actually got abt 122** points. I don't remember the last two digits. What this would do is speed up the rendering of viewports in the softwares. Its hard to explain the difference between the two. Like tmacfan4321 mentioned, the radeon line is for games where else the firegl or firepro line is considered professional graphics. A radeon will cost a few hundred a firepro would cost u a few thousand :) Whether you need a firepro or not, that really depends on you. If you don't use any design softwares, stick to the radeon drivers. That will be my advice :)
     
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    The driver itself is 8.723
    CCC that i installed is 10.6 radeon mobility. (The exact same one that your probably using. Just install the CCC and not the driver)

    Do note that all i really am doing is taking the information i acquired from guru3d and applying it to the G73, as and when there are updates to the script the source is still from guru3d. Took quite a bit of searching to get everything working thou.

    Their the same software for the CCC. Its just that it has different options compared to a radeon installation. For instance my overdrive tab is gone.

    But i get "video converter, workstation and hydravision"
     
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    If you have never heard of Graphic card terms such as Firepro, Firegl, quadro, then you won't have a reason or need to use this. Radeons are the gaming line of cards. Their more focused on speed and direct x (correct me if i'm wrong)

    The firegl or rather firepro for this instance is a professional working graphic card line. Their more focused on precision, faster viewport rendering in 3d, their more focused on opengl (correct me if i'm wrong again).

    But like i mentioned in my original post, their the same cards just different drivers. Kind of like choosing between a supercharger and a turbo in an engine. The radeons being the turbo where else this is the supercharger.

    It will still work for games just not as good. This i've yet to comfirm because i ran 3dmark06 and it gave me 12.2k which is about the same as i did before on the radeon. I also ran L4d2 for a few mins just to see the fps and i still got the same rates as before which was 100+ (vsync disabled)
     
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    You'll have to do a search on the softwares that you use to see if they benefit from a firepro card. I know 3dsmax doesn't really benefit as its directx based. Where else maya benefits a lot from this. I've also read of it helping out in premiere pro cs5. I need to search more on this to comfirm.

    Edit: correction my 3dsmax performance doubled according to SPECviewpref10.
     
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    Played 3 campaign straight of L4D2 and no GSOD so far... This may be an alternative fix. Anyone else gave this a try?

    edit: Ok the 1st GSOD came. Gona clock it up a little to see how it goes.
     
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    Quite surprised no one is giving this a go... I personally was thinking those using this baby for graphic work would be really interested in this as i was. Just an update, since i lost my overdrive in the process, i installed MSI afterburner as an alternative to overclocking. Honestly, i feel gaming performance wasn't really affected at all.
     
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    hey, would this 5870 softmod fix be compatible on the alienware m17x-r2? what if i have two 5870s in the alienware? :GEEK:
     
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    It should work. For two cards i'm now too sure. You would probably have do the driver installation twice in device manager. Double check your device ID. There's a good chance that is different so you would have to modify the script.

    In the first part u will find this line in the script i posted

    Dst2_0 = BA 2E 00 00 00 48 8B CB E8 36 BA FF FF C7 03 68 A0 00 00 90 90

    "68 A0" is the device ID of the G73 5870. U need to find out what is the Device ID for your Alienware. Then change it accordingly.

    In step 3 of my guide u also have to amend.

    ATI FirePro V8800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A0
     
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    @smile_gerard

    ah. alright then. thanks!.
    just to make sure, is this fix is working fine for you? think it'll work fine for Rhino and Sketchup?
    hmm imagine 2 cards.. one for gaming, the other for work as a firepro card in the same laptop..(which is exactly what i need) no crossfires but sounds like good anyway. think that's possible?
     
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    On a single display i'm not too sure. Unless u can specify which display adapter you are using. Only then it would be possible. However, i do think it is possible to do that with an external monitor. Its not a 100% fix as this is just a patch. So don't expect it to work like a full fledge firepro. To be honest, you might as well make both firepro's. They somehow do quite alright for games. A little slower compared to a radeon but to crossfire them would in my opinion still be faster then a single card.
     
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    I am curious if you have looked at the specs on the Mobility FirePro m7820...

    I think this is the card I want to mod to, from a Mobility Radeon 5870...

    So far, the only company to offer the m7820 is HP on their elitebook 8740w workstation. I have found the FirePro driver on their support site and downloaded it. Even though the inf file numbers are different, I have opened every one of them and replaced the following lines: (they all have the same lines)

    From
    "ATI FirePro M7820" = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A0&SUBSYS_1521103C
    "ATI FirePro M7820 " = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A0&SUBSYS_1521103C

    To
    "ATI FirePro M7820" = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A0&SUBSYS_1028043A
    "ATI FirePro M7820 " = ati2mtag_Manhattan, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A0&SUBSYS_1028043A

    I got the subsys ID for the 5870 and replaced the 7820 ID. (103C-1521 to 043A-1028) I think the device & vendor ID are the same for both cards.

    I have a couple questions about the atik2mdag patch script... is that script related to the specific card or the 64 bit system? I am a little cautious about using it before I have clarified. If it is just to modify the device ID, the 5870 and m7820 are both 68A0. So I may not need to patch?

    The other part is the atiogl file... all this does is modify the caps for specific programs? Would it vary from the v8800 one you are using? Just another dumb question, the v8800 being a desktop workstation card, and you are modding a 5870 in a laptop, wouldn't the settings for the caps be higher than the 5870 can handle?

    Any and all comments welcome, please advise if I am on the right track or a complete idiot about to destroy his brand new laptop.
     
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    You cannot softmod a 5870 into a m7820. You can try but i really don't think it will work. Reason is because the equivalent card of a 5870 is a V8800.

    v8800 = 5870
    v7800 = 5850
    v5800 = 5770
    v4800 = 5670
    v3800 = 5570
     
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    We are talking about the Radeon Mobility 5870? Aren't the v#'s desktop ws cards?

    I'm not meaning to be a pest, but the desktop 5870 is the Cypress XT chip that matches the v8800. The Mobility 5870 is the Broadway XT chip, that matches the m7820. From what I have read on Guru3D, prior to the 10.3 Catalyst Control Center release, all of the mobile cards required drivers that were updated by the laptop manufacturer, not AMD. After 10.3, the same drivers can be used for both lap- and desktops, but most people on the forum who were trying to use the new drivers on their laptops were not having much success.

    Also on Guru3D, they specifically said you could not turn a mobile GPU into a desktop GPU with a driver mod... it had to be the same chipset (based on the chips codename).
     
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    You should take a look into the Guru3d Riva Tuner forums and advance riva tuner forums. It managed to install onto mine. Would be interesting to see if you can get it to work on yours. But if you do read further some of them managed to convert their mobility cards from even earlier versions. Anyway i opened up the file in the driver to edit "C7100464.ini" i do not see a m7820 in it.

    [ATI.Mfg.NTamd64.6.1]
    "AMD FireStream 9170" = ati2mtag_RV630, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9519
    "AMD FireStream 9250" = ati2mtag_RV7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9452
    "AMD FireStream 9270" = ati2mtag_RV7X, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9450
    "ATI FireGL V3600" = ati2mtag_RV630GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_958D
    "ATI FireGL V5600" = ati2mtag_RV630GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_958C
    "ATI FireGL V7600" = ati2mtag_R600GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_940F
    "ATI FireGL V7700" = ati2mtag_RV630GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9511
    "ATI FireGL V8600" = ati2mtag_R600GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_940B
    "ATI FireGL V8650" = ati2mtag_R600GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_940A
    "ATI FirePro 2260" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95CF
    "ATI FirePro 2260 " = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95CE
    "ATI FirePro 2450" = ati2mtag_RV610, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95CD
    "ATI FirePro 2460 (FireMV)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68F1
    "ATI FirePro V3700 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_RV620GL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_95CC
    "ATI FirePro V3750 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_R7XGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_949F
    "ATI FirePro V3800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68C9
    "ATI FirePro V4800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68C8
    "ATI FirePro V5700 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_R7XGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_949E
    "ATI FirePro V5800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A9
    "ATI FirePro V7750 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_R7XGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_949C
    "ATI FirePro V7800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_6889
    "ATI FirePro V8700 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_RV7XGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9456
    "ATI FirePro V8750 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_RV7XGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_9444
    "ATI FirePro V8800 (FireGL)" = ati2mtag_EvergreenGL, PCI\VEN_1002&DEV_68A0
     
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    Perhaps if you could get hold of the drivers of the M7820, you could ask "schoko" from Guru3d to have a look at it. He's the one making the scripts. I'm currently running the radeon drivers. The firepro drivers were not a 100%. But would love to see what your results are. This could also explain why the performance wasn't a 100%. But the script he made is for this drivers. I'm guessing the M7820 may be a different set of drivers so it would need a new script. I'm not sure... But hope u have better luck and you'll share your results.
     
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    I just signed up for the forums on Guru3D, so I will definitely get in touch with shoko. I have been reading both of these forums for about 3 weeks, trying to make sure I got informed and didn't ask any questions that were already listed somewhere in the forums.

    It is definitely the script that I am worried about, I have already modified the inf files in the m7820 driver, and that model was specifically listed along with the m5800, so hopefully that is a good sign :) . These were the only two cards listed in this driver's inf's.

    Thanks for taking the time to respond, and post all the info in the first place. It really helped me start off my project and was not as intimidating as the instructions on Guru3d.

    here is the link for the driver download from HP's website, just in case you would like to look at it:

    http://h20000.www2.hp.com/bizsuppor...Id=4138087&swLang=13&taskId=135&swEnvOID=4058

    -Driver - Graphics - ATI Video Driver and Control Panel
    8.683.1.2
    19 May 2010
     
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    I just wanted to give back what i had pieced together in a simplified manner for us G73 users. Since no one had posted anything about a mod. And that many of us who buy gaming laptops actually use it for design. It did take me quite a lot of searching and trying to understand what the guru3d forums was talking about. Everything was just all over the place. They didn't have like just one updated post. Thanks for also informing about the card. I didn't notice that part. Lets hope Shoko will work his magic and pull a rabbit out of the hat.
     
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    A simple Pros and Cons of 5870 Vs 8800 would squash most questions, instead of "well if you don't already know don't worry about it."
     
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    V8800 is ATI's answer to the Qudros. The top of the line ATI workstation card.
    5870 is just your regular radeon gaming card. Thou this is supposedly the most powerful mobility graphic card.

    One is meant for doing things like 3d animations where else the other is just for games
     
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    Updated scores of SPECviewpref 11 and 10 between radeon and softmod in the first post.
     
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    @SamuraiBuddha - I've posted on the first post some scores from SPECviewpref 10 and 11. I would say the current mod does work pretty well. Especially for Maya. The main problem i have with it is that, UDV is disabled. Sadly its beyond my capabilities to make it work. I would guess the script needs a little tweaking to work. Now that i'm on the firepro driver again, i notice my text looks more crisp. So for anyone using Maya, this mod is definitely for you.
     
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    Just wanted to say thanks for posting this. I was reading about 3 pages into the huge thread, and one day came upon this thread which is easier to follow for the most part.

    Some links you have that were truncated do not work, and it would be nice if you explained how to use the notepad created *.rts file. I had to go to the guru3d board to get the original links and to also learn how to use the scripts.

    Great job. :)

    Bryan d

    PS - ASUS G73JH-RBBX05 with 64GB Kingston SSD: Solidworks Student Machine
     
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    Sorry about the links, didn't know they were now broken. Already updated them so now it all works. Glad it helped you out. Also did a short tutorial on how to change the file extension. I made this tutorial mainly because it was really confusing in guru3d. Thanks for letting me know of the dead links.
     
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    Thank you very much!
     
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    Step 4 "use riva tuner to patch atikmdag.sy_ in the B100148 folder (use the notepad file you made earlier)"

    Would probably benefit many who have never used RivaTuner, if a clearer explanation were made on how to run the script.

    Thanks again,

    Bryan d
     
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    smile_gerard Notebook Evangelist

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    Its been corrected, today i opened rivatuner and i noticed something. The core of our gpu is a RV770 so when i looked it up, the RV770 is used in a 4870 and also the firepro V8700. But at the same time the driver was already making progress so i decided to modify the driver and installed it as a V8700 instead of a V8800. The results were really similar almost identical. Here are my scores at 700/1000

    Specviewpref10
    1280x1024

    3dmax 04 - 45.54
    catia 02 - 35.54
    ensight 03 - 58.21
    maya 02 - 215.25
    proe 04 - 42.09
    sw 01 - 93.47
    tcvis 01 - 35.62
    ugnx 01 - 55.83

    SPECviewpref11

    catia-03 - 5.97
    ensight-04 - 3.19
    lightwave-01 - 18.48
    maya-03 - 34.04
    proe-05 - 3.10
    sw-02 - 19.22
    tcvis-02 - 13.62
    snx-01 - 19.75
     
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    S_M,

    I mainly use the G73 for Solidworks, do you think it is worth it to follow the V8700 route? I saw your post on guru3d and you mentioned that your previous benchmarks were done using a overclocks. So that would mean the 8700 driver id is much better then?

    Again you have been great help,

    Bryan d
     
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    Because previously when i did that my vbios i set it to 705/1100 on default clocks where else today i did it on 700/1000. The results i get is just a few fps different less then 5. But i would think the V8700 route would make more sense in our case. The difference is really very slight. In the past i did that because i would get gsod. Try the V8700 route if you know what changes to make. The process is the same just in the inf file you change the V8700 instead of the V8800. And maybe just edit the description of the patch script. But thats optional. Either way, both give almost the same performance.
     
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    If the changes are minimal then I will just stay with the v8800 driver id (2"+ of e- right?), as I will probably will not be working with models too high in complexity under solidworks anyway.

    Thanks S_M

    bryan d
     
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    I'll give it a run on SPECviewpref 11 when i get home. But as for SPECviewpref 10 the difference are too little to be noticed. I just wish UVD would work..
     
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    Here's the updated scores when run as a V8700

    Specviewpref10
    1280x1024

    3dmax 04 - 45.54
    catia 02 - 35.54
    ensight 03 - 58.21
    maya 02 - 215.25
    proe 04 - 42.09
    sw 01 - 93.47
    tcvis 01 - 35.62
    ugnx 01 - 55.83

    SPECviewpref11

    catia-03 - 5.97
    ensight-04 - 3.19
    lightwave-01 - 18.48
    maya-03 - 34.04
    proe-05 - 3.10
    sw-02 - 19.22
    tcvis-02 - 13.62
    snx-01 - 19.75

    Generally very slight improvement over all. When i say slight i mean like faster by 1 or 2 frames compared to running as a V8800

    btw thx for the +rep bryan_d
     
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    I was informed there was an error in the guide regarding the device ID in the patch itself. It was said that the device ID had to be swapped so instead of 68 A0, it was A0 68. But weirdly, i didn't swap mine and it still worked fine. I did try to swap it and i still had the same results. So it is kind of odd, but nvm as long as it works :)
     
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    Just wanted to give an update, currently there are newer drivers but as of now there hasn't been any word of a new patch script. The current patch script will install onto the newer drivers but with no performance gain. I'll continue to check the guru3d forums every now and then...
     
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    I do not think you will be able to softmod the 5870MR into a V8800, which corresponds to a 5870 desktop. I am actually actually the first who have asked if it is possible to do so on Guru3D if you would look a few pages back in that thread, and I tried as well, it didn't give much of a performance boost, and result in many problems as well, such as photoshop crashing, 3ds max crashing when using opengl rendering etc.

    IMO, the only proper way to do it is to use the M7820 (which is the card corresponding to 5870MR) driver AMD provided for HP and do a patchscript for it, but up till now it seems that no one is interested in doing so. Nevertheless, firepro M7820 is actually not expensive at all unlike quadros, it's only around 400USD for the MXM version, which is only around 50 dollars more than 5870MR.
     
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    I'm gonna buy a laptop with Mobility 5870, though not G73.
    I'm quite interested in turning it into a firePro card.
    I use both 3ds max and maya. Curious about why the chart shows 3ds max only gets double performance boost, whereas maya gains almost 8 times.

    Also find myself quite lost in Guru3D.com forum.
    So I'll appreciate if you keep us informed here for any future progress.

    Many thanks sincerely.
     
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    Doesn't seem to have any updates as of now. There is some talk that the device ID needs to be flipped in one part of the script. Which was my mistake. But it still worked for some reason so i don't know lol.
     
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    This is kind of a late reply and i apologize for that. Softmods are never 100%, i guess their more of a workaround. Kinda like making most of what you have. I know there was someone who did mention about the M7820 and from what i know he did try to get in touch with schoko who wrote the script. But never heard from him after. I do agree that the proper way for us will be to go with the M7820 as its a more similar card, with a different set of drivers. I did try to patch the drivers as a 8700 and it still worked. My only conclusion could be that as long as the device ID is in, it wouldn't matter which line it was put into.
     
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    Hi, just did the softmod last night. I´m curious if you can check with After Effects CS5. I expected more responsive system due the new driver but AE software doesn´t recognize open gl driver at all. Little lazy to reinstall the AE though.
     
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    I am sorry for the stupid question but how do you disable hardware acceleration for the youtube workaround ?
     
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    4 - use riva tuner to patch atikmdag.sy_ in the B100148 folder (use the notepad file you made earlier) Install rivatuner first, then double click the file. A window will pop up, click "continue" change files of type to "atikmdag.sy_" then navigate to the folder you extracted to. And patch it

    I'm sorry but I don't know how to patch the file with riva tuner and previously written file, can you be more precise please.

    All of other point were be done successfully.

    I want to use the laptop with SW2010 (Working in a small factory and don't have money to buy a full certified card laptop computer)

    Thanks.
     
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    Have you changed the extension of the notepad file from .txt to .rts?
    Because if you have installed rivatuner, when you change the file extension to .rts the file should be recognized by rivatuner.
    I remember all i had to do was double click on the file and rivatuner would open up.
    Or you can right click the file, open with, then select riva tuner

    Here is the instructions to change the file extensions.

    1 - Open a folder any folder (win7 should be same as vista. Xp is similar but i don't remember.)
    2 - Click on "organize" in the top left hand corner
    3 - Select "folder and search options"
    4 - Click on "view" tab
    5 - Untick "hide extension for known file types"
    6 - open a new notepad
    7 - copy the script from below and paste it in.
    8 - when you save your notepad file for example "gerard.txt" just rename it to "gerard.rts"
    9 - a prompt will appear, select "yes"
     
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    The reason the FirePro drivers dust Radeon drivers in professional apps is because they are 1) certified for them 2) have support for the acceleration of some special features the apps use.

    These drivers are not going to be better for gaming. I would think they would be worse because that aspect may very well be neglected.
     
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    I actually use this laptop for Maya on the go when im away from my desktop and honestly guys, you do get slightly better performance at the cost of worse game FPS and loads of other features missing...

    Coming from someone who was a game dev for 5 years and now works in film, all in all its really not worth it....
     
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    Most of the time i'm on radeon drivers. Its only at times when there's lots of work that i swap to the modded drivers. I do agree you loose quite a bit of features. The last i checked, there's no newer softmod for this but there are guys working on it. But what to do, we can't get the best of both worlds right. I would think maya actually see's the most improvement with the mod since the Specviewpref shows quite a big improvement in maya. For me i use max and i do get improvements in the view ports. But honestly, we shouldn't be doing 3D on this machine. It just doesn't have enough power in it....
     
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