G73 New GPU?

Will Asus bring out a G73 with the new Nvidia GTX 480M GPU when its released? I wont blame them if they will because of the GSODs of the ATI but wont that bump up the price? and i heard that Nvidia chips are faster because they have a much higher power consumption than the ATI by atmost a hundred watts (i think, cant find the article anymore)

 

Higher power consumption != faster.

 

Even though the next iteration of the G73 is rumored to have an Nvidia card, I think it's guaranteed it is a no to GTX 480.

How many times has Asus used the most expensive, power hungry Nvidia GPU for their notebooks? That would be zero. And with the GTX 480M being even more expensive and with twice the power of any GPU out, I think it's close to definitely no.

It's all speculation right now. What little we know argues otherwise. The HD5870 has more power and faster texture fill rate than the GTX 480M on paper right now. The GTX 480M has more ram, 256 bandwidth and better tessellation.

Want to know the cost of the GTX 480M? About $675 more than the HD5870M alone. Using 100 watts of power.

GTX 480M is based on the GTX 465 and a review of the 465 with benchmarks is out and they are not pretty. Very expensive card, lots of power and the HD5850 still wins despite it's lower price and lower power consumption.

I think some Nvidia fans are blowing it out of proportion. In game I think the GTX 480M will be about 10-15% faster than the HD5870M. Is that worth it for twice the power consumption?

KEEP IN MIND THE GTX 480 DESKTOP ON LOAD 96C WITH 4 OF THE LARGEST HEAT PIPES EVER SEEN ON A GPU AND A FAN 75DB LOUD.
- Guru3D recommends water cooling with triple 120mm radiators... yeah that's pathetic.

The GTX 480M is underclocked compared to the 465. And I think that's going to have much bigger impact than Nvidia fans want to admit. Some say wait for overclock. But some people with cooler heads and actually thinking have realized there doesn't seem to much room if any for overclocking. Not enough voltage, not enough power, and most of all, not enough cooling.

The only company Nvidia has announced to use this is Clevo. So just go with that for now, if you want this, you have to buy a Clevo.

 

What's the melting point of plastic?

 

The desktop card idles at 90C? That's a lie, plain and simple. I've seen varying figures in reviews, but mostly around 50 degrees. There was an issue with it failing to downclock with dual monitors which caused higher temps in that situation, but I think that has been resolved now.

 

The figures you've seen are for water cooled. Yes if you want your card to to idle those temps, you need to spend another $200 on top of the price of the 480 for those temps. My figures are coming from Guru3D which is pretty hardcore Nvidia considering they think the 8800 is faster than the HD5870.

 

No, those figures aren't for water cooling. Here's AnandTech's temperatures - 50C idle. Show me your 90C figure (and not with dual monitors).

 

Ahh I'm sorry, you are right, the temps I were looking at under load. I concede I was wrong, but I don't concede, the temps are ridiculous and unacceptable.

Doesn't matter, I don't want to talk about this failure from Nvidia. I don't like where Nvidia is trying to push notebook gaming towards. I believe notebooks should be notebooks regardless if it's a gaming notebook, not desktops that are ludicrously called notebooks.

For me I just don't plain understand why someone would be excited about this? For 1/4 maybe 1/5th the cost you can build yourself a faster desktop. For me the G73jh was worth it because despite at it's thickest it's almost 2" at it's thinnest it's .6" and weight is reasonable enough and the battery life is reasonable enough for me to use. With two batteries I'll be able to use this for my classes at school.

I've talked to much about this failure from Nvidia failboat as it is as I have no plans of buying anything remotely like it.

 

The GTX 480M definitely doesn't excite me either. Nvidia's pricing just hasn't been competitive enough lately, and while I would say that their power efficiency is acceptable in a desktop, it won't cut it in a laptop.

 

I think I was pretty darn happy to get the most powerful single gpu laptop (back in February and still to this date) for $1400.

My happiness would be much much less, or possibly even non-existent had the G73 base cost come in @ $2k+ which is where all Nvidia 480 machines will come in.

Also, I live in Arizona and Fermi cards don't mix with the already warm climate.

 

and i read that the HD5970M has like 1.2 teraflops while the 480M has 897 gigaflops. How does that make a difference in performance?

 

It's HD5870M, I know typo. Anyways, that's what people have been talking about, GPGPU, OpenCL and for DX11, Direct Compute. This allows game developers to use the GPU to process information never before. GPU traditionally been about pumping out just polygons, now we can have them process things like soft shadowing and performance optimizations. This is why BC2 for some runs better in DX11 than in DX10, direct compute at work.

Nvidia claims Tessellation is the big feature of DX11.

I think a lot of developers would disagree. It's Direct Compute. DX11 will finally allow with Direct Compute to really implement some hardware accelerated physics with GPGPU power. This is why ATi has been hard at work to provide an open platform OpenCL/Direct Compute Bullet Physics. I know Hav0k will be working to release something similar also.

If you have seen some DX11 benchmarks that emphasize tessellation I think you would agree. For fast action games you won't notice Tessellation. You really need to zoom in on a texture to see tessellation. Otherwise just seeing a normal polygon as is is good enough. I mean Crysis looks better than Metro 2033 IMO still without Tessellation.

But you will notice physics, soft shadowing and performance optimizations while gaming. Tessellation is really nice if you just want to look at scenery.

Hope that helps. Just for reference, there is a small app that benchmarks Direct Compute power, the HD5870 stomps all over the GTX 480M in that respect, but it is just one benchmark.
- GPGPU is also being used in science. Folding now uses GPU power, for large amounts of data to be processed, GPGPU power is great, 800 cores is better than 4 for some types of processes.
- GPU generally are really great for lots of data that don't need a super powerful power to process like a single i7 core. So if it's not not that hard to process, with 800 cores running at 800 mhz will be a lot faste than 4 cores running at 1.6 ghz from i7. Depends on what you are doing.
- GPGPU is also used for video encoding.

The possibilities have just begun.

 

Well since I have seen post after post of GSOD with the G73 and the 5870m, I don't see why so many are so excited about the G73 in its current configuration. Aren't there issues with driver compatibilities with some models of the G73?

Why not offer the customer choices among ATI and Nvidia products? I for one could care less about having great battery life because my laptop is usually plugged in. I don't want to build/buy a new desktop because I like the portability of my laptop, I can take it on the road, I can take it into the living room and onto the couch. These are things I cannot do with a desktop, and therefore that argument isn't valid. Also the G73 is a tank of a laptop, I don't care what anyone else says.

Also how much performance does the 5870m offer over the GTX 260m? You mentioned that the 480m may offer 10-15% better performance over a 5870, but how much does a 5870 offer over a GTX 260/280/285m?

 

HD5870M is about twice the power for the GTX 260M. The few benchmarks I've seen of SLI GTX 260, the HD5870 overclocked tops them.

Even in games we are seeing about 30-40% over the GTX 285M. For example we get that much better performance in DX11 in Dirt 2 compared to 285M in DX10. For 50 watts at load, the HD5870M improvements on power is no joke.

If you really want to research more, the HD5870M is pretty much a HD5770 Desktop with lower clocks. But as you've seen, the HD5870M can be played in games with an 800/1100 overclock, which narrows the performance closer to HD5770 STOCK.

The benchmarks I've seen of a stock desktop HD5770 in Crysis Warhead was about 25 FPS in Enthusiast benchmark. I got around 24 with 800/1100 overclock. So you can see, in game it's very close to a stock HD5770 when overclocked.
- But problem is, just like our mobile, the HD5770 desktop can be overclocked like a beast!

Please remember the GTX 260M is an overclocked, die shrunk 8800.

And please remember when comparing, the HD5870M is a 50 watt TDP GPU.

Can't disagree with you. But I've said it many times, I transport my HD5870 EVERY DAY to work and back. This is my work computer also. I have a 50 minute train ride into the city. And I can watch a 1080p video using DXVA since that only uses 1% of my CPU and 2% of GPU resources during the entire time with 50% of battery left over. I also post on forums and look at my daily news/comics at the same time.

So I have to also strongly disagree with you. You cannot do with with a Clevo HD5870/GTX 285 notebook, never mind a Clevo with GTX 480.

So for me this is very much important. With the GPU downclocked to 200 with memory 300 with battery savings mode, I can close in at 2 hours with battery. With 2 batteries I'll be able to use this when I go back to school for all my classes. This is a very huge difference and why the G73jh is such an awesome high end gaming notebook.