G73JH - is a gpu temp of 98°C acceptable?

Did you also use a lint-free material to do the final cleaning? There is usually a fine layer still on it, and you either need to use a chemical cleaner to get it all off, or use a good lint-free wipe. I use coffee filters for this, works great.

 

Okay, let's try to address your response.

First thing, my bad on the software mix up. And my mistake on reporting my own temps. All my temps that I've reported are also at Celsius not Farenheit. Apologies on that confusion.

But the point and the principle still stands. Getting caught up in Benchmarks is a hustle. If you want to keep drinking snake oil believing that it will really help you diagnose your computer blues, you are more than welcome to. I've spent years caught up in that hustle for years as a desktop gamer until I woke up and see it for what it is. If you want to choose to believe that Benchmarking is helpful, then that's your right to feel that way and a completely valid feeling. I feel Benchmarks don't help a PC gamer do anything but take time away from them gaming and causing undue anxiety.

As for your program stressing the GPU exactly the same as Crysis, all I can say is I played and beat Crysis:Warhead on this machine from start to finish with not one crash. In fact, that's the game that I use to "Bench" in that I just play the first level over and over again and check the FPS and temps against the previous run and clock settings.

I ran the game at 1920x1080 with no AA 16x Ansio, Vsync On, every graphical advanced setting set to "Enthusiast" except Shadows and Shaders which I set both to "Mainstream" and I consistently stayed between 30-50fps with the game never dipping below 24fps.

Oh and the temps? 94 *Celsius*

Again, like I said, not one crash. And as I also said, it is my belief that running any software designed for benchmarking will do it's best to tax and heat and crash your system in ways games never will. All in a hustle to get you to buy more hardware. That is my belief. You may choose to believe differently. But to me, messing with Benchmarking software is like playing the slots in Vegas. Something that should only be done for fun. Because both are "loaded" games with the odds always in the house's favor and never a way to "win"

But truthfully, I didn't write that opinion or those words trying to convince you. Your mind is made up. The G73 machine is a POS. I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm trying to offer a different perspective for new owners that are reading this trying to figure out what's up with their unit.

I am sure as anything not trying to convince Chastity whose repasting thread I already read yesterday and I respect immensely and has been a huge help. It looks like she went to Hades and back in her repasting. And the way the heatsink is dinged up is not right. And I am happy for her and admittedly envious of her results. And like I said in an earlier post and maybe didn't clarify very well, is, I'm totally down with getting your GPU repasted with better thermals. And that I'll get it done myself if my machine starts to shut down routinely during normal gaming sessions.

And maybe I should clarify it again, but I'm not really addressing anyone that has routine GSOD's. That's messed up and deserves either and RMA for an exchange, a return for a refund, or a free thermal repasting. I'm addressing owners like me that have completely stable systems that don't crash at all but routinely run 95c+ And all I'm saying is, don't trip on it and get caught up in all that fear and wait and see if your system starts shutting down from normal gaming use. If it does, RMA or hit up your second extended warranty at BB or Fry's or whatever 3rd party warranty is offered online at time of purchase.

If the machine is fine and stable for hours on end but has GPU temps that stay in the 90's, then your machine is probably fine and performing within spec. and don't start having undue needed anxiety fear or worry. There's bigger things in the world to be sweating over than a potential problem others are having that you're not. Especially when you're supposed to be using that exact thing as a source of fun and relief from all the real stuff to get upset about.

My posts apply to them. HellCry, you clearly don't fall into that category and for whatever reason are determined to put it in people's heads that this machine is a Yugo because you're an early adopter whose had 2 bad units. The tone of bile in your response makes it clear that you've decided to not only hate the machine, but try to convince as many other owners having problems with it to justify your feelings of hate. Your post as an inference as someone who is really hard on their purchases because they just simply have a "hard" perspective about everything. And that kind of look on life always brings problems. Especially if one is not willing to create the patience and trust needed to keep exchanging the purchase until they get one they're happy with.

That's what I don't understand. If your mind's made up that it's a P.O.S, why don't you return it? If they won't take it back, keep RMA'ing it and hassling them until they give you what you want. Tell them you're going to write the Consumerist and Gizmodo and Tom's Hardware alerting them to this problem if they don't take care of your needs. Tell them that the G73 is a part of their R.O.G line and markets itself as being in the same league of performance and "service" as an Alienware. And Alienware would make sure their customer ends up happy one way or another. Bottom line, hassle them until you get what you want rather than RMA it once and get a faulty second one only to decide to just give up on dealing with Asus and that it's a P.O.S and the brand and everything is a P.O.S.

I bet you could even craigslist it and get a decent resale value for it if it's that bad. Although I know I wouldn't buy a machine if the previous owner flashed the VBios.

But I'm not sure, have you? If not, cool. But if so, how can you be sure that doing that hasn't become the cause of your issues or made things worse?

Expecting everything to work stock %100 out of the box is a valid principle and one that I stand by, but in the world of high tech electronics this is rarely a reality when you're an early adopter that we arguably still are.

Do you know how many IPhone 4's I had to go through and exchange at the Apple store to get one that was pixel perfect or didn't have dust under the screen?

4!

Four IPhone 4's to get one that adheres to that principle. And while I know I annoyed the hell out of the Genius guy, I kissed his and explained to him as politely as possible that I upgraded from the 3GS and forced myself into a renewed my contract with AT&T soley for the IPhone 4's touted "Retina Display" Because I do a lot of reading in my work and I wanted a portable reader and smartphone all in one. And that any dead pixel's or dust was going to be too distracting. And I tried to be as cool as possible and on the fifth try the Genius guy was in the back longer than every other time and I knew he was checking that screen for me, and sure enough, he came back with a perfect phone. And after confiding that he was burnt because he had to come in early and forced to stay late, I called over his manager and told his boss how much of a Jedi my Genius guy was and buttered up the boss telling him that my dude deserved a raise, etc., etc. And now I have that perfect Phone I expect.

If my second G73 RMA'd was malfunctioning again, I don't care who said what, I'd keep exchanging it until I got one that wasn't defective or they upgraded me into a better model.

I would do that rather than give up on the second exchange and start tearing the unit apart and try to convince other owners that they're in 'danger' with their purchase because their temps are high even though the system is stable.

My last resort would be to pay from a reputable reseller that will do upgrades to do the thermal switch. It costs, but it's a worry free, hassle free experience. And if anything goes wrong it's on the service provider. And any legit service provider is going to either provide proper service or fix any error's free of charge. Whearas doing it your self is less expensive and arguably more fun, if you mess it up and it won't work - then you're stuck with a brick.

I agree having to wait two months for an RMA is ridiculous. And is why I bought an extended warranty at Fry's. And I understand and feel it's valid when a purchaser feels that's too much of an expense. All I can say is that if it was me, I'd do my best to try and get something extra for the hassle such as another 2 year warranty or a coupon or something, and even more so, I'd probably just deal with the crashes until about now where going by availability, the shortage that was causing the delay is over.

Let's be clear, I'm not an Asus Fanboy. Other than a monitor, this is the only other major purchase from them I've made. My opinion on their quality is just restating what I've read here on the Asus forums and professional reviews and my own comparison between this G73JH-A1 and my Alienware M11x-R2. My second and only other laptop I've ever owned.

I really love M11x for what it can do in the size it is, but if you want to talk build quality or quality of components, then I'd have to give it to Asus. Considering this machine was only about $200 more after taxes and California recycling fees and just smokes the M11x in performance. So, my first experience with Asus has been the same as the reviews and opinon of others around here.

I have nothing to base this on but the tone of your last post, but I can't help but infer that you may be someone who goes through life looking at things "hard" or in other words, looking for problems. Like my father in law. When he gets a new computer or piece of tech. He's not happy that he's gotten what he wanted, whether that was the result he intended for himself when he bought it. No, he's holding it up to his eye, looking down the lines, looking for cracks. Looking for defects. Almost trying to break it. My experience is when you go through life from that perspective you often end up with the more defective or disappointing unit. When you can stay appreciative, even if it comes defective, one usually has the patience to see things through until they come to a satisfied resolution.

In terms of your challenge that if I game on it for hours on end it will GSOD, I can only respond with "I have." Gaming as long as 6 hours on an all night Crysis:Warhead binge. I don't expect you to believe me, I don't have any kind of pictoral proof and my life is too full to go back and replay it with proof just to prove a point to you. I say what I say. You say what you say. That's the rub of the internet and those that are silently following will just have to trust their gut on who to believe. It is what it is.

I'm sorry you're so angry. I thank you for your corrections, but I feel my point and principle about getting caught up in benchmarking still stands. I also feel that my point still stands that if you're machine is running stable all the time but puts you in the 95club but never shuts down, don't trip and go cracking your machine or RMA'ing it right away. It's probably fine.

As for my embarrassing myself, I have to admit, I am feeling embarrassment.

Not for myself, but for you.

Your tone of venom and bile with the intent on making other new owners regret their purchase because you don't have the belief, patience or social skills to apply the warranty to some kind of satisfactory resolution when you fall into the early adopter category is embarrassing.

Can I offer some advice? If you want to buy a piece of complex tech that works %100 out of the box, wait 6 months to a year after the item has been on the store shelves, when it's in the second or third generation of manufacturing to expect those results.

If you can't wait that long, then don't go spreading bile to others because you're singing the early adopter blues.

Any true Jedi knows that the early adopter blues are %100 a part of the game of being a gamer.

And those that don't want that and can't wait.....
buy consoles (Which I do as well. But more for the game exclusives each console has)

I'm lucky enough to have this and the M11x. As well as an awesome desktop rig. I have no ego wrapped up in this laptop. My enthusiasm stems from my own experience. If that changes, you'll be the first to know. I'll come on here and make a big thread about how I was wrong and HellCry is right and that we should all bow. For real. Because I'm not arguing there isn't issues with the units.

I'm just saying if yours is %100 stable for more than 2-3 hours with no shutdowns, and is in the 95c club. Don't trip, keep gaming and only worry about it if your system starts shutting itself down while gaming repeatedly. Whether it's a couple times or more.

That's all I'm saying. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion and experience. And I'm offering mine for those new owners that are silently lurking.

HellCry, I surely am not trying to change your mind. Sadly, it's made up.

And as a 36 year old avid gamer whose been a lowly beta at tester for Activision back when they were cool, and has some friends who are developers and likes all consoles and PC (and Macs!) to think I'd feel embarrassment or have any of my self esteem conditional on being right or wrong on a forum like this should be a lightbulb to you, that you my friend are way too caught up in this.

I'm going to go game now on my A1. If it crashes, you'll be the first to hear and I'll be on my soapbox telling every owner that if they have a stable system but it hits 95+, then RMA it.

Otherwise, we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

Cheers.

 

vsync won't allow your frames to fluctuate to that extent.

Even modded warhead only gets me 30 constant.

 

You get that because you're probably running the game in DX10.

Running the Game at DX9 64bit will give you a great, variable FPS with negligible graphical differences from DX10 (this only applies to Warhead, the original Crysis does not have this capability, and needs a mod to do the same)

Also:

Are you oc 800/1100, have your CPU set to Turbo and in game settings of Shadows and Shaders set to "Mainstream"?

These all make big performance differences in Crysis.

Of course, the game does run close to 30fps most of the time. 50fps usually/only happens when like any game, standing still or moving slower with little action happening on screen.

The game dipped below 30fps plenty too when things are going crazy like the train level. But I never caught the FPS counter on my MSI Afterburner running on the LCD on my Logitech G13 gameboard dip below 24fps. But I didn't have my eye on it the whole time either.

I don't mess with standardized built in bench tools in games except out of curiousity as it's widely validated that these built in benches also don't reflect real world gaming performance.

Again, I've got no ego or anything to prove in this debate. I've got no reason to lie to justify my purchase of my G73.

I have another netbook gaming machine as a backup to offset any anxities that I or anyone would naturally feel if dependent on one machine for their fun and livelihood.

So really, I have no reason to lie.

Wow. The M11x forum has threads with loads more legit problems than anything I've seen here . I had to have my panel replaced on my M11x due to dust under the screen within 24hrs. of delivery. And yet I haven't seen anyone there just intent on hating their purchase as much as some here. Maybe it's a difference in customer service? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or catty. It's a sincere question.

Again, I've got no need to be right in my claim. I'm just reporting my personal experience. If I begin to encounter major GSOD's while gaming then I will enthusiastically report them and on my dealings with Asus about them.

But if anyone is going to try and hook me into running benchmarks to try and crash my machine, I'm just going to smile and shake my head and politely refuse. Those programs no matter how much they're endorsed by legit sources are designed to make your system run hot and eventually crash to get you to keep up with their 6month hardware cycle and is a hustle.

You guys want to stay plugged into the Matrix of that hustle, that's your choice. But I'm here to say to Noobs, that benchmark crashing should not be the criteria for a faulty GPU. Because that's the hustle. There needs to be repeated system shutdowns during normal gaming for a reasonable time to qualify as cause for worry as far as I'm concerned.

Because no matter how much you may believe the marketing, I'm telling you, benchmarking programs are designed to crash your machine and should be taken as seriously as Miss Cleo the psychic.

I'm going to go game now, worry free.

Peace.

 

I think the biggest frustration about this issue is that we have no info coming from Asus. No ideas on how bad it is, % of affected systems, and any suggested workarounds. I can understand that Asus may be saving face and pretending it's not a big problem. Well, if you have it, it's an annoying one.

Speaking of which, THX5334, "I'm going to go game now, worry free." is a great way to put salt on another person's wound. You basically said in a nutshell "My system works, yours doesn't, and I'm going to enjoy playing my game that you cannot." I'd suggest you refrain from being a tad obnoxious and understand that for many of us, buying this laptop was a big expense, and we'd like to be one of the Chosen Few who can enjoy their experience with their hard-earned hardware.

I'm glad you enjoyed my escapades into the G73. I am the type who likes to understand why things work, and do not work. I'm also a curious lass who gets herself into trouble.

Yeah, HellCry can get a bit spirited, but he represents one extreme side of a rather stressful situation. And not to say he doesn't have some facts on his side. As the adage goes, "The squeaky wheel gets the grease." At least he's trying to make enough of a stink that all of us plagued with this nonsense (and that's what it is, nonsense) can benefit with a possible fix. His heart is in the right place.

As you may have guessed, I'm more of a moderate here. I'm on the same fact-finding tour and looking for answers. But at least I can make the trip entertaining. C'mon admit it, you like the bugbear techs!

 

Good posts! Even if you DID diss Miss CLeo and Yugos...

 

Well, you're right in my saying that could be construed as rubbing salt in the wounds. And for that I sincerely apologize as that wasn't my intention. For real. I've been following your adventures Chastity for awhile and did not intend that statement towards your way at all as the problems you've had seem to go beyond temps. And temps was more of a symptom to a bigger problem.

That comment was intended towards those that have nothing wrong with their system but high temps yet insist on worrying about it to the point of considering an RMA or cracking open their system for a repaste. And in effect, freaking everyone else out who may have nothing wrong with their system but being in the 95 club.

I don't think you or even HellCry fall into that category and have completely different and legitimate issues with your systems.

As to whether or not benchmark programs are a good way to gauge this is a completely separate issue and different point that HellCry and I amicably disagree on (for my part anyways)

Like I said, this model has it's own fair share of issues, and there are bound to be those unfortunate to go through some bum units as early adopters. All I'm trying to say is, keep the faith, keep exchanging until you get one that works as intended. And if you're experiencing complete system stability with nothing but high temps; and are freaking out to the point of an RMA or repaste and are only getting crashes in benchmark programs and yet things run fine when gaming just at 95c+, then I'm trying to say - try not to freak out. Many users are in the 95 club with plenty of stability and performance.

Yet, any new owners that are coming here for the first time aren't seeing any of those that have stable systems that run hot, but rather just ones that have legitimate problems. I'm just trying to let them or any would be purchasers know that they're not all that way. That if you get a quality built unit, it's a fantastic machine.

Trust me, if I start getting the same thing with GSOD's while gaming, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong and eat crow and report about my experience with Asus or getting a repasting job done.

And I'd still recommend considering another RMA. Supplies seem to be better now so ideally the wait won't be abnormally long. Honestly, I know they're a pain, but this is why I try to buy an extended warranty that offers up an immediate replacement in such situations.

And to be honest, I'm still considering getting a repasting job done, but not to lower my temps for stability or hardware failure, but to lower the temps to see if I can get any better overclock out of the GPU.

But we'll see. There aren't many games outside of Crysis and Metro 2033 and GTA that tax the system to where it feels like it needs to be overclocked at all. So I'll probably wait and see if I get re-occurring shutdowns before going through the expense.

I'm really not trying to rub salts in anyone's wounds. But I see how that reads that way. I'm truly sorry. Now I feel like a diznack.

My bad.

 

No, you are right. They both rock. For that I am even more ashamed...

 

You can put Crysis into dx9. -dx9?

I run at 800/1100 and it's been proven twin turbo mode is negligible. Your i7 automatically scales to accommodate the application.

A game with vsync on will lock your frames to prevent micro stuttering (spikes followed by dips). You could say that while you're facing a wall or looking at the sky you get 50fps, but that's irrelevant to what you play the majority of the game on.

 

Go into your Games Folder in Windows. Right click on the icon for Crysis:Warhead - There you will find options to play at: DX 9 32Bit, DX 9 64bit, DX 10 32Bit, DX 10 64bit.

You want to choose DX 9 64bit.**

It does not lock in your fps. As to whether it's the power of the machine holding it near 30fps, that's another story.

You may not see the gain or choose to believe that the Turbo mode is negligible, but my experience with the M11x tells me otherwise. In that, myself and other M11x users have found that OC'ing the I7 640 CPU on that machine offers very little to no performance gains as setting the OC in the bios to "disabled" and setting the built in Intel CPU's "Turbo" mode to on. And it was true. Leaving the CPU at it's default clocks, but turning on Intel's built in "Turbo" into the chip resulted in the same performance as the CPU overclocked at an FSB of 160 (normally runs at 133) with none of the heat that comes with an overclock.

It is my belief that Asus has not properly explained the "Turbo" mode that can be accessed via Bios or the hotswitch on the case itself in the top left corner of the G73. Turbo on this machine does not "overclock" your CPU as advertised or marketed, but rather, simply engages Intel's built in "Turbo" Mode that's so heavily advertised on TV. And going by the performance gains having that on gives me in my M11x, has me leave it on full time on the Asus. Again, I have no proof to show, so since it's the internet, it technically doesn't exist , but I did notice a performance gain when playing Crysis: Warhead. Not a drastic one, but a slight increase of 3-5 fps in places where it could use it.

So, you may choose to agree with others that the Turbo is useless, my take and experience on it is different. I don't expect I'm going to convince you to turn yours on, same as you won't convince me to turn mine off. All I know, is, I paid for it and it doesn't cause issues with my system so why not leave it on? If you're looking for a steady increase in speed or performance, you won't find it with Turbo turned on, as it seems to only engage when it's needed and not full time. Much like the batteries on a hybrid car. But trust me, when you hit a FPS hump in a huge fire fight, having it on makes a difference.

In terms of how the G73JH-A1 performs with Crysis:Warhead, there's no way you're going to convince me I'm wrong or don't know what I'm talking about. For as long as HellCry and others have spent running Benchmarks, I've spent the same amount of time gauging my machine playing Crysis:Warhead.

Fiddling with in game settings, GPU clock settings, Turbo or Normal on my CPU, changing settings in the game's config files, running mods, you name it I've tested it with Crysis:Warhead and the G73JH-A1.

I stand by my statement. One can play the game at high settings at 1920x1080 with in game settings for Shadows and Shaders set to "Mainstream" on DX9 64 with your GPU oc'd to 800/1100 and Turbo mode turned "on" and you'll have a fantastic playing experience all the way through.

Yeah, you're going to hit some dips here and there, but I garauntee that's a fault of non optimized game code and not the G73 (Another reason to play the game on DX 9 64 bit)

If you want a game experience where the FPS is as smooth as butter, simply set everything to Mainstream and at DX9 64 you'll be in the high 40-50's, pushing 60fps constantly. But I prefer to go High and take the hit, as I said before, I'm a graphics-floozy and running the game on high is just that much prettier.

You can find threads all over the place about how this game needs to be fiddled with not because it's such a powerful beast, but because the code for the engine is so poorly optimized.

It was this result, of having developers like Crytek spend a huge amount of money on their engine only to not see it run on any machine, even high end ones, that caused publishers to decide to save money and play it safe and not build any separate builds of a game for PC and it's strengths, but instead make one build of a game for consoles and port a PC build off that with minimal sprucing up to take advantage of hardware. Because you get cheaper production and development costs and less chance of the game crashing over a variety of differently configured PC's.

And now, hardware makers like Nvidia, ATI, Intel and the like rely on Benchmarking programs to get enthusiasts to keep up with hardware cycles. Because unless the game is exclusive to PC, it's a port of a console build and hardware like this and much lower can crush it.

That's how the hustle all started, and you can thank good old Crysis for it (Although in their defense, their Crysis 2 engine is supposed to be sick and also be able to run on anything. They learned their lesson as much as the rest of the industry did watching them)

Cheers!

**Jeez I just remembered, this option only shows up if you're playing the game off a disc. If you're playing through steam, you need to go through the hassle of creating a desktop icon and then modifying the command line under properties and add -dx9 64 to it. It's a pain and why many players try to own a disc version of the game rather than through Steam. Sorry, I should've clarified that earlier. That's a huge factor in getting it to play in DX 9 64bit

 

sorry, I stopped reading when you said how poorly the game was optimized.

335M isn't so amazing that it gets bottlenecked by its processor.

it makes no difference if you play it on steam or by disc. -dx9 still works.

 

What does what I said about OC'ing the I7 and it having no performance gains have whether it's OC'd vs. running at stock speeds with the Turbo mode enabled have to do with bottlenecking the 335?

I never mentioned one had anything to do with the other. What I'm talking about has clearly been referred to in Anandtech and Gizmodo's review of the M11x-R2 and overclocking the I7.

The 335 never entered into the discussion from my end at all.

Clearly you didn't read anything.

You and HellCry can only make these crashes happen with frequency by running your precious Benchmark programs.

I call BS on that being a criteria to decide if your system is faulty.

Those programs crash your machine, and are designed to do so. Period. Believing they're legit is the same as the gambling addict who believes they're going to get rich forever off of slots instead of craps or poker if at all.

In other words, a fool's errand.

Running up the fear of every current owner and new buyers into a tizzy because you both can make this machine crash repeatedly only with a program that is designed to do nothing but really make systems crash -

It's creating false perceptions and histeria about this product.

And really not cool or fair to other owners who don't know better.

The other GSOD's reported from games seem to be so random it could be any number of factors unrelated to the GPU. It could be the sound drivers or a device conflict. The only way anyone here can get the machine to crash without fail is by using a hustling benchmarking program.

Regular crashes in a game like FFXIV may not be the GPU being bad but just a driver conflict.

You and HellCry have made up your minds to be haters on the G73. And based on your responses now, I can tell that you're done having a discussion to help everyone and instead are dead set and adamant in justifying your hate on.

In effect, now you're wasting my time.

I'm going to go have fun with my purchase and game.

You go ahead and stay mad and angry and determined to make sure that your purchase sucks. And while convincing others this great machine is a P.O.S may make you feel better, it's not going fix your notebook or get you one that runs better. And instead causes undue stress and worry on a lot of strangers who don't need it and it's undeserved. In other words a selfish and diznack move.

I wonder if you used that time and energy into getting yours exchanged or RMA'd instead of dropping fear bombs on other purchaser's who just received or about to receive their machines how much faster you'd get the results you want?

A lot faster, I'd bet.

Obviously this discussion is done.

Peace.

 

to your surprise, I don't know Hell. I didn't even read his posts before you brought him up. I look immediately for the wall of text and banter from there.

> but turning on Intel's built in "Turbo" into the chip resulted in the same performance as the CPU overclocked at an FSB of 160 (normally runs at 133)
> Not a drastic one, but a slight increase of 3-5 fps in places where it could use it.

you must be new to computers or know have very limited knowledge of what benchmark software does. Playing a title that utilizes 100% of your gpu for a few hours is what furmark does. Furmark just does it faster.

We do not run furmark 5 hours a day, deterred stressing of any hardware would make it deteriorate.

I don't think my machine is inferior to others out there, I think it's on par with its temperatures. Re-read my posts and find where I bashed my g73.

I am just a simple man, Mr. Writer. I make my living off working at corey's computing, a small hardware reseller. I had no intention with clashing with someone as highly regarded and knowledgeable in IT as yourself.

 

Benchmark programs like Furmark are important because more than once video cards have been outfitted with coolers that would work with games for that period.

Then a year later games start using all kinds of functions in the GPU they didn't before. As a result the temperature goes up and suddenly the cooler isn't able to prevent dangerous temperatures anymore.

Only basing the quality of your cooling and stability of your GPU on games you are able to run now is stupid. Within a year games will use functions in the video card they don't use now or use less used functions more and temperature will rise.

The computer landscape is littered with laptops and video cards that only have been tested with games of that period and now have cooling problems. The gamble those companies took was hoping that those games appear outside of the warranty period so it's your problem and not theirs eventhough they sold you bad quality product.

 

I agree completely. IMHO users like you and HellCry are extremely valuable to the G73Jh community, dedicating their time and effort to find out why our laptops GSOD and whether there are any ways to make a tweak that makes our rigs 100% stable. I think it's pretty much been proven that each and every one of G73Jh's have this error originating from a production-line level hardware problem, users claiming otherwise just don't game enough, don't run stressing benchmarks or are still actually using old drivers regardless of stating otherwise.

Unfortunately so far nothing has really worked, except to keep using 9.12/10.1 drivers. I really hope you guys make a breakthrough, although there isn't very much left to be tried. However, regardless of our justified frustration here, it is still very much possible that Ati makes some new driver tweaks in the future (apparently not yet with 10.7a), allowing our machines to run without problems as well.
Some of you might have forgotten that G73Jh's are not the only computers still experiencing the SOD problem, there are many users with desktop graphic cards who have the same issue. Take a look at some threads at AMD community forums, for example. Finnish gaming forums are also full of users getting "kalterointi"-errors while gaming with their Ati desktop cards, meaning our dreaded Vertical Stripes of Death (or direct translation: putting someone in jail, behind bars (=vertical lines)).

Asus has shown to be very lazy releasing new drivers, however there are new models coming out with Ati graphics chipsets and even a manufacturer like Asus cannot continue offering >1 year old drivers for stock forever. So there might still be hope left

 

Thats what im talking about. With such a low ambient (20-21C) many of us would be getting so lower temperatures. But being a student getting an air conditioned apartment is kinda rare since the climate here doesnt really make many people buy it and my apartment though being completely new, does not have one so we have to run it at 28C in the summer, which id say is an ambient the manufacturer should count on being one the laptop can be used in and not overheating. Some people use it in an even hotter ambient - like outside on holidays...
If you see your TS1 and TS2 within pretty much same temperatures as TS0 you will know you did an excellent job, becouse pretty much all the heat is being transferred onto the heatsink so all the chips heat to same temperatures becouse they have good contact with it.

And Ken also has a cooler warehouse .

And THX5334 if youre fine as your laptop is, good for you, i will refrain from advising anyone running furmark again or trying to convince them to test their system in any other way since im tired of trying to get more people to see it when they dont really want to but would rather pull a blindfold over their eyes and hope its fine for as long as they own it - i wanted to get as much people in the camp to see if they have issues and to write and pester Asus to make them spit out a solution, but nevermind, ill probably sell my laptop if i wont get a good GPU from the tech here this week. Until i do, i will try to contribute though, so do be patient just a while longer.
And again, i frequently GSOD ingame too, but youre right that just furmark would be enough to make me concerned just the same, since this is the FIRST machine ive owned or built and tested for anyone (which must have been over 30 desktops and laptops) that has a problem with it (first GPU reaching 107C and GSODing, second reaching 94C and GSODing even more frequently) - i already consider the software a standard test (furmark for stability and temperatures, 3dmark 06 and vantage to compare gpu scores to the same systems) and wont take failure to run it as acceptible.
Oh and the crashes in FFXIV are the cause of using older drivers which are indeed incompatible, but people cant use newer ones on the G73JH becouse they GSOD on them becouse the Asus GPUs hardware is inferior and cant handle the changes in the newer drivers - that is a fact and not speculation.
Ill agree to disagree, so lets just agree on that as you said.

 

Just a quick post, since I honestly only took the time to read two or three of THX's posts (more power to ya for their length, but it's a... bit too much for me to read right now xP).

Anyway, for one I wanted to say that his tone towards new users isn't in any way rude or disrespectful (you said something about bile?) he's just trying to help us decide if we want to deal with all of the issues the other machines have. The furmark suggestions would simply be to find out if we have those problems in the first place.

And like someone said, thanks to everyone on this board, including HellCry, who dedicate their time and effort to doing all of this tweaking and investigation to try and make things better for all G73JH users, I really appreciate it.

 

Re: GPU corruption.

If you are getting GPU corruption, I'd RMA immediately. My first G73 had a very quirky GPU that simply refused to work with any drivers but ASUS's original pack. Furmark would cause a corrupted display with 100% repeatability within 15 seconds to 2 minutes. Games were not immune either. Temperature did not seem to be a variable that affected it. Curiously the original ASUS drivers worked perfectly, but I was not willing to potentially be stuck on those drivers forever.

I've since gotten a replacement and it is apparently perfect. I've also used 3 other G73s, all of which seem to work perfectly with later drivers than ASUS's 9.12 beta pack. So I think that the GPU corruption issues are undoubtedly a hardware problem. You can try the 705 MHz GPU clock speed trick which seems to work for some people, but if that doesn't help don't mess around. Get a replacement while you can. You shouldn't accept anything but a perfect machine.

 

Well im already on my 2nd GPU with the same problem, and out of 11 GPUs that are on stock in our service/distribution center none works. (in laptops of course, id take em out and swap them with mine if any worked)
So what do you propose i do?

 

Small update on mine, I finally installed the Asus 10.1 drivers, rebooted, ran furmark, within 3 minutes it hit 110c and shutdown...

So, do I RMA, or open it up and redo the TIM on the video first to see if it helps?

I hoped I got a good one, even checked it with furmark and had it run around 97c during the first few weeks of ownership... Now, at roughly 2 months, I am running into this... And I still have the damn keyboard issue (missing characters)... This is totally unacceptable for a $1800 laptop (yeah, I paid full retail for a G73JH-A3)...

And, on top of that, I also own multiple Asus motherboards, including a Maximus III Formula and a Rampage III Extreme... Both of which have been flawless...

I love the screen, the features, the feel of the keyboard, but why can't they get thier act together and a) provide support and fixes for the known issues (vBios, video drivers, touchpad/keyboard), and have better QC during manufacturing? (I mean c'mon, my ethernet didn't work because one of hte cables wasn't plugged in fuly, and now with the video?)

Honestly, the G73 is one of those products where, if they got it right to begin with, they would have a TON of customers for life... But, stuff liek thsi makes me reconsider using them in the future...

 

Stop torturing yourself with a laptop you dislike so vehemently and get a similar Clevo.

 

Where do you work that you get to test out 11 different gpus? and if you used furmark and newest drivers on them how fast did they all gsod because wouldn't you have to let them all run until each one gave a gsod?

 

@The Beast

If you have no problems with the laptop other than the temperatures of the GPU core then I would do the repaste myself if your handy and observant enough to prevent things getting crushed, sliced or whatever.

Asus isn't going to help you on the repaste because they don't understand what is going on. You hit that 110 on TSS1 because there is too much paste and the heatsink is tilted.


I have now read that several people go from 95 to 110 in a few months. The way the heatsink is placed now just means the solution is degrading fast.

ASUS sucks.

 

Some feed for thoughts:
You all aware, that desktop ATI58xx and 57xx series also suffered of GSOD issue. No matter who was manufacturer of card. Finally it was solved with hotfix that was realeased ( attention) by ATI.
@HellCry I think that ATI tech, that you spoke is not telling whole truth. I doubt that all manufactures of desktop cards reported ATI about that issue. It were users that reported that on AMD forums. Finally ATI realeased hotfix. Why on earth thay can't do it now? I am totally on your side about stressing Asus. They should provide adequate support to their customers. So, I think there is not only Asus to be blamed in that situation.

 

You are the lucky one, because now my G73 hits 111c with the MemIO (ambient temp 26~30c) and shuts down automatically for only 1 minute running of the Furmark if no additional cooling system is applied...

Hence, I recently have to buy a cooling pad to get rid of this damn overheating nuisance. The NC2000 cooling pad did a good job which has lowered the idle temp for 5c and up to 10c under full load (and it enables me to play Starcraft II without repeatedly shutdown). However, Furmark stability test still fails to sustain for more than 2 minutes...

The notebook performs quite well when I got it 2 months ago, but obviously the overheating problem seems to be deteriorating really fast. Now I seriously consider that I should have the GPU repasted...

Edit: Anyone bother to repaste the CPU? And how's it going after repasting? (I haven't seen anyone mention it) I mean the CPU temp is just fine for almost everyone, but had we put efforts to rip the notebook apart to repaste the GPU already, why not do the same to the CPU if the stock pastes are so terrible?

 

Its not as simple as just selling it (company owned so ill loose even more money as usual), but ill probably do it ya.

 

I dont work there, the tech was just friendly and i annoying enough. And it wasnt hard - install 10.7a on all machines, download furmark and run it. Some machines gave a GSOD instantly, some after minutes, but two if i remember right lasted over an hour before choking so those were left to run while we tested the others. It was done in under 3 hours in the end (well i wasnt allowed to actually touch them but could tell him what to do and watch).

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/asus-gaming-notebook-forum/506044-chastitys-repaste-experience.html

 

I've already ordered the Diamond 7 paste. Hopefully the repaste work can be taken in two days But I still got a question that is it necessary to get some pads as well? I found some guys who have done the repaste didn't ever mention the pad thingy.

 

After inspecting them, I found they looked adequate and left them alone. They were covering what they needed to, and didn't look dilapidated. If you plan on replacing them, get the pack that has both .5mm and 1mm pads.