G73JW - Gentech, Xotic and others waiting for nVidia official annoucement

One of them said:

The Asus G73JW has been temporarily removed due to NDA from Asus and nVidia. We’ll be posting this model up on our website again as soon as the video card (i.e. GTX 460M 1.5GB GDDR5) is officially announced from nVidia.

 

when the hell is that gonna happen? damn nivdia keepin us on edge..

 

does this confirm that the g73 wont be returning with the 5870? and is there any chance of the GTX480?

 

I believe Ken and a few others have said early to mid september.

 

Asus already confirmed that the G73JW will come with an Nvidia GPU. The spec card that was next to the demo model mentioned "Enthousiast Nvidia graphics"

Until they confirm the specs anything remains possible for the exact Nvidia GPU to be used but I wouldn't hold my breath for a GTX480. Everything seems to point to the GTX460

 

but it doesnt make any sense. I thought that GTX460 < HD5870? why would they take a step back? I dont think 3d/physx is going to make up for the performance loss..

 

Many people like Nvidia cards and the common consumer thinks Nvidia>ATI (The Way Its Meant to be Played). It will be a small step backwards in performance, but it will still be a decent gaming machine and it will still sell very well.

 

I have also heard its going to have 6GB ram instead of 8GB..... i dont think its going to make that big of a difference but is going on? there doesnt seem to be any hardware upgrade...

 

If its a small step backwards in system specs i hope then ASUS can at least compensate for a cheaper starting price.

But the 460M should be very comparable to the HD5870

Perhaps the decision to go to nVidia is partly fueled by the issues the G73 was having with the ATI GPU?

 

The G73JW will be more expensive, if it does in fact come with the 460M. Nvidia's cards are always more expensive than ATI's' regardless of their performance.

And the JW will come in many configurations, just like the JH. Some systems will have more/less of RAM and HD space. But the USB 3.0 will be a pretty big step up for many.

 

aside from usb 3.0 this seems like a step backwards.......

 

It is!

Neither the 285 or the 460 will hold a candle to the 5870. The 285 is the closest Nvidia card to the 5870, at least the closest practical one at this price range, as no way they will use a 480. The 460 has a helluva lot more in common with the 360 than it does either the 480 or the 5870. How anyone can see this downgrade as anything but a step backward in a gaming laptop is mystifying.

 

Judging a card before it's even out is equally mystifying. Saying it won't hold a candle to the 5870 utter nonsense. I think the real question is how much power it will take to run compare to the 5870.

 

I was under the impression that the 460 was a great card and had a lot more overclocking potential and lower temperatures. Is this trueee?

 

Nonsense. There is a specific chipset that Nvidia uses along wth a formula. We already know that the 285 is a lower end card then the 5870. so there is no issue there.

As for the 460, in EVERY single year that NVidia has been making video cards since I believe the 6800 line, they have started the generation with the top end. In that gen it was the 6800, part of 6.xxx line. The 7700, 7600. etc., were budget cards. Even when they came out with the 8.xxx and 9.xxx cards. everything but the 8800 and 9800, respectively, were the budget cards a lot slower than the "800 series" in each line. When they switched over to the 280, nothing changed in that regard. All those cards you see, including the 260, 250, 230, 210, and the same numbers in the 3.xx are stripped down cards, period.

The 360, for example, is a substantially lower end card than the 285. I see absolutely no reason why NVidia will change this longstanding policy. It is naive and almost a little fanboyish to assume they will or to in any way believe that the 460 is going to be anything but a minor bump in performahnce from the 360, just as the 360 was nothing but a minor bump from the 260. In short, the 460 will be a lot closer to the 360 than it will be to the 480. It will simply be the first budget card in the 4.xx line, just as the 360, 350, and all the others were in their line.

Watch, you'll see.

 

More info about laptop graphics cards:
Notebookcheck: Comparison of Laptop Graphics Cards

Interestingly, Notebookcheck does place the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M below the ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870. But they also say that it is an upcoming graphics card.

 

Keep in mind that the card isn't out yet and they are just speculating in it in that comparison article. I was looking at the same page earlier today, and I was actually a little shocked that it is going to be as powerful as it is, assuming of course that site is right. I expected it to be just above the 360 as the 360 is just above the 260. But that article forecasts that it will be more powerul than the 285, which if true, is quite impressive in my opinion.

 

Quite frankly, at that level with both cards having DX11 support, the maybe 5% difference will be irrelevant. Only the most shameless of gamers will use the GPU as an excuse for their lousy performance.

I'm very hopeful the 460m will be quickly adopted, especially in Asus' G series and Toshiba's Qosmio line.

 

If the 460m is as good as the 5870 or just a little behind it I would get the 460m. After reading all of the problems with the 5870 in the g73 I have decided not to get one. I will wait until the JW model is out and see what happens. Although I would choose the 460m over the 5870 I wouldn't get it if I allready had the 5870.

 

stay tune for more speculation ^^

 

Eh? The GTX 260m is more powerful than the GTS 360m. The GTS 360m is maybe a little more powerful, all other things being equal, than the 9800m GTS. And the GTX 260m is definitely superior to the 9800m GTS or even the 9800m GT.

Also, remember that that architectures will be different. The 285m is a touched-up G92. The GTX 460m is supposed to be based on GF106 Fermi. (Where the GTX 480m is based on the dumb, ugly, brute-force GF100 architecture, GF106 is supposed to be more efficient).

From what I'm guessing, the 460m should be able to (marginally) beat the 5870 in DX11 performance, but will perform (marginally?) under the 5870 in other DX versions.

It's a very interesting card. Too bad nVidia is taking forever and I'm slowly edging towards a 5870-equiped laptop.

 

Eh, Intel's Sandy Bridge Huron River platform is also keeping me waiting, so I got time to spare.

 

I wish nvidia would at least confirm the 460m's existence. I mean, apart from the sticker saying there was a 460m video card inside, at computex, has nvidia even said anything?

 

...the sticker wasn't proof enough?

 

Just to note, Chiro, the very existence of the 360M is an exception to your rule, as there was never a 380M or 385M. It is literally a line they brought out where they started with a midrange and never brought out a high end in the line.

What this speculation leaves out is that there may likely be a 485M if this base core chip is any good. I don't know if people remember the desktop days of the first 280's but they were fairly quickly followed by the 285's in part because of market displeasure with the heat output and performance from the 280. Since the 480M came out back in July, and the newer improved cores seem to have come out successful, it's not beyond concept that you would see 460M and 485M as outputs.

Sandy bridge seems to be quite speculative in it's timing so I don't know who to believe on that one.

And thirdly yes we should wait and see on both cooling and performance. We've all too often seen good chips get bad cooling and what we thought were going to be good chips perform like dogs. Specs give you hints, but they don't guarantee either pro or con what will happen. I think Nvidia is motivated to get back in the game, but we'll have to see.

I too would take slightly lower (but not much lower) performing DX11 chips from NV over the ATI ones, but again, I wouldn't buy without seeing performance either. I think folks get all too hung up on 5 fps they never see. But Nvidia has promised a lot and failed to deliver in the past, so they don't get a blank check either on an untested chip. The 480M has specs. The 460M has only speculation.

 

I mean yeh, the sticker is proof enough, and it more than obviously exists, but an actual word from nvidia about the card would be nice. They never said anything about it. If it weren't for the sticker, we wouldn't even know of it's existence, exept through the specs of some laptops.

 

Besides the GTX 260m, Asus will also integrate SiBEAM WirelessHD into the G73JW.
Any idea about the price of the other-end adapter to connect to your TV/LCD/Plasma/Projector...
I haven't heard that Asus will include one in the G73JW package.

 

Hi all.
Long time reader 1st time poster.
I've been following this and other threads with huge interest.

Asus g73JW one with i7 the other with i5
Price is in PLN (polish new zloty)

Google T?umacz

so it is confirmed that the gtx460m is coming and they have been taking pre-orders for the last 2 weeks or so.

there is also a "weaker" model with i5 link below:

Google T?umacz

Now just wait for some tests..... and make a decision.