G73JW pricing

I know that pricing hasn't been announced for this laptop, but I was wondering if anyone has speculated exactly how much this laptop is going to cost. I am aware that it has a 120hz screen and the 480m, so it should be a bit more than the G73JH model.

Any idea as to how much this is going to cost? Wondering if I should start saving up or just forget about this laptop haha.

 

I think the 2D screen version without Blue-ray shouldn't pass U$1600
I hope they move to the H57 chipset with RAID support *fingers crossed*

 

What dreamland is this?

The GTX 480M costs at least $350 more than the HD5870. Minimum 2K for a bare minimum system with the 480M

 

The 480M is proving to be much more expensive in other systems. I agree probably $350-$400 more. We'll see how competitive they price it.

 

Agreed, that's why I think it won't have a GTX480

 

It will have the 480....

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GTX480 isn't mentioned anywhere in this document
It is a good bet and a logical choice but it is still only speculation.

 

480m should be possible..which the only one of qualified "premiere of NVIDIA’s new generation mobile GPU platform" mentioned above, at least in near future.
new core like 460m (GF104) could also possible, but it would take at least a quarter to come out.
anyway, asus does not mention anything about the date.

 

Yeah I was scratching my head also, absolutely no mention of it.

But if they do it, I wouldn't be too too surprised I guess. But it kinda goes against Asus trend of budget notebooks. Do they really want to go head to head with Alienware and Clevo?
- The current reason to buy Asus over Clevo or Alienware is because of budget pricing. I don't think you can compete with the GTX 480M by undercutting the price, the cooling system and the card itself is too expensive IMO.

My guess TBH is the G53 and the G73 will offer the same the GPU. Asus has done it in the past many many times. They offer the same setup just in a 15" and 17" in order to keep that competitive pricing.
- IMO looks to me Asus is just trying to sell on the 3D Vision gimmick

I have noticed there is no mention anywhere that the G73jw will be packing 400 series, which is why I think it will be whatever is in the G53.
- I don't think Asus is prepared to offer such a beefy cooling system to handle a GTX 480M.

 

No one knows about GTX480m heat yet, it's possible that it might produce less heat than GTX 280m to begin with according to some websites i did read a while ago, Nvidia Did redesign something about their chips that would let them to reduce heat, it's still massive 100Watt gpu though

I bet we will see GTX 460m in the G53 and GTX 480 in the G73
Possible GTX460m too in the G73 for the BESTBUY version?

Current G73 sells for 1499$~ by releasing GTX480m in the same laptop would save them properly 100-200$ so the extra 200-300$ they are paying for GTX480m over 5870 won't make much of a different

They will properly sell it for 1699$~ Versus the +2000$ Alienware will ask for

However i find the G73 with GTX460m~ for 1499$ a much better deal that would let them sell much more laptops

The question is how much will they sell the G53 GTX460m~ for 1199$?

Obviously it will have GTX460m (GTX480m would be overkill+ heat issues) and the GTS 350m is a false rumor, no reliable website report the GTS 350m and it's not even Directx11 card plus it's not a next genration nvidia card as what asus call

 

Some of you are extremely delusional about the pricing of Nvidia.

The starting price on a Clevo with GTX 480M last I saw in the UK will be 2,200 pounds, with bare minimum.

The starting price of a Sager in the US with GTX 480M is around $2,800.

Starting price from Alienware will no doubt be even more expensive around $3,000 IMO.

Nvidia has made it clear even with Notebooks, for the top cards they don't care about being competitively priced. The GTX 285M still costs more than the HD5870M...

 

For some reason, I think Asus is going to surprise everyone and go cajones deep with the GTX480m in the new G73.

 

We already know that GTX480 will cost 300$ more than 5870 even though the different wont be much in games and 480 will use double the power draw (50Watt vs 100Watt)

I'm sure the G73 with GTX480m/Full HD screen/USB3/etc will cost less than 2000$

Remember that you are paying for G73 exactly expect the price different between GTX480 and 5870 unless you think the GTX480 will cost more than 1000$ by itself.

 

If Asus does go with the 480 for the 73jw, then I predict a starting price @ 1800 USD.

 

That sounds about right, definatly below 1900.
you also have to factor in though, the new Hybrids they are throwing in there, blueray and the 480... unless they will be making a A2 equivalent without the blueray.

 

It's not just the 480M you are paying for, you are also going to pay for the larger PSU, and thermal adjustments, IF it's even going to have 480M in the first place.

 

GPU on G73JW is still unconfirmed but I do know both GTX 470M and 480M is very expensive, that's because nVidia will be making the whole video cards themselves and will not sell just the GPU to notebook manufacturers.

 

Which means Asus can't just build the card themselves to save on cost like G73JH. IMO, it will most likely be 470M, which has 75W TDP, rather than 480M which has 100W TDP.

 

Exactly, manufacturers can always use different PCB for their video card to save cost, ATI 5870 on G73Jh for example, the PCB is is bigger than other companies.

 

Yeah to bring this machine in at a competitive price i doubt it will have a 480m though a 470m will still be a nice card ... 470 and the 5870 will probably be closely matched in performance leaving little reason for current G73 owners to want to switch...

 

The 470M will probably be on par, or even lower performance than 5870MR because of the large cutdown on TDP to 75W. It's mainly just for a nvidia card to go with the 3D vision. Moreover, I doubt it will be cheap, considering that a 360M GTS G51 with 3D vision cost more than a G73 over here.

 

No doubt it will be over $9000

Q

 

Better drivers, CUDA, Physx, 3D Gimmick, did I mention better drivers?

 

Still delusional. This isn't about what Asus wants this is what Nvidia will demand. Nvidia get what they want, you don't agree, they don't think twice to add that company to a blacklist. Stop being delusional.
- Nvidia will not allow Asus to discount prices if they use Nvidia's premium graphics.

Couldn't careless about CUDA. Don't care about PhysX. The best game physics I've seen use Havok/Euphoria and Bullet (BC2, Star Wars Unleashed, Source Games, Bioshock etc etc). 3D Gimmick, agreed, a gimmick. Other's interested check out Fry's they have a demo and you get nauseous from using it, cause it looks weird...

Better drivers? Disagree. But we can agree to disagree as I know you have used ATi a lot also. But personally I have been problem free with no driver issues for ATi since I've been using this machine. I prefer if ATi provides more options in their control center and redo the crappy CCC interface. But I had more problems trying to find drivers that installed right, that didn't work like garbage with Nvidia. I spend 1/10th of the time with drivers with ATi than with Nvidia, just a few months ago.

 

Single card machines dont have much if any problems with ATI drivers then again i cant say i have much of any problems on my desktop with 2x5870s either..

I would like Physx though and can add in a card to my desktop but the amount of games that support it are so few and far between its not even worth the hassle.... Developers wont bother with it in most games since they know they are only catering to one part of the crowd and ATI has now been dominating Nvidia for sometime so even less a reason to support Physx for better or worse...

3d yeah im not to interested... Its something i know i would waste a ton of cash to get up and running and then a month later see the glasses collecting dust as in the past i bought into all kinds of gimmicky stuff on the PC ...

I was a huge Nvidia fan for years and still am to an extent but when Witcher got his 2x480s and reported while gaming they were hitting 93 i said no thanx ... He water cooled them and now they peak around 60 as where my 5870s peak around 64 on air .. His cards beat up on mine pretty good and SLI scales WAY better then Xfire does but the cost and trouble he went through just is not worth it ...

Hopefully the Nvidia Mobile tech runs much cooler then the desktop stuff though i doubt its going to and will remain toasty for sometime to come till they can shrink the tech... ATI's current mobile offerings are not exactly ice cold either though ...

 

My advice: SKIP THE GTX 480, GTX 460. Save your money/Keep your current G73jh

AMD has something coming that is far better than anything Intel or Nvidia has for notebooks COMBINED

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...-amd-releases-details-fusion.html#post6312088

 

Supposedly Physx is working with Cat 10.5
YouTube - PhysX on ATI 5870 / GeForce 470GTX - ATI 10.5 / NV 257.15 beta

That is supposed to compete with Arrandale and ION not the 480M or the 5870.

 

look man gtx 480m is only for laptops with better cooling

the clevo model that has it has a desktop cpu in it which in turn has good cooling for cpu and gpu

using a desktop cpu with gtx 480m makes sense because its a downclocked desktop gtx 465 using a gtx 480m with quad i7 920xm will bottleneck it heavily so its pointless even if it gets it unless you oc your i7 920xm to 3.00 at least to get some optimum performance.

 

That is something you can do with the G73.

 

pushing a quad mobile 2.13 ghz to 3.00 ghz in laptop is that really do able the heat and tdp will be thrugh the roof

 

Yeah... no. Fusion is a great idea for low/midrange computers. It won't replace a high end GPU. Imagine selling a 5870 with integrated CPU? That would be an expensive to buy, expensive to replace, expensive to upgrade option. ATI is just doing what intel has done with their HD graphics, only better.

 

nVidia would be stupid to blacklist Asus, considering how many products they have rebranded and utilized with them right now and over the years. Anyways, nVidia will get their money either way. Secondly, I don't think the GTX480 will sit at 600ish+ more dollars than a single 5870 for very long, and even more so when we see some benchmarks/gaming performance. It might perform better than the 5870, but not 600 dollars worth of better.

 

You do realize XFX was one of their biggest partners for over a decade right? Arguably bigger Nvidia partner than Asus was.

Yeah appears they are now on Nvidia's blacklist.

It's everything, Chipset, CPU and GPU into one chip called an Accelerated Processing Unit. It's a bit more unified than you make it out to be.
- Intel's solution is a crummy CPU with a crummy GPU
- AMD solution is to have parallel processing between a high end Quad and a GPU better than the HD5870. This is very different from Intel's solution.

And AMD is not going to break their decades of business of offering low cost, performance for the dollar history with this either. I think you are wrong about this being expensive, but the opposite.

The low power Fusion is more powerful than the G73... A netbook with that will be able to play DX11 games better than this G73 can.

This is the most exciting news I've read about in years now for notebooks! The power efficiency is off the roof. A solution that plays DX11 AvP better than G73 inside a netbook? I am drooling at the thought of a 17" beast at that is thin, light with excellent battery life. Great performance without compromises.

Luckily only have to wait a few more months for more details and then about 6 months to actually see it in a notebook. It's reported to be early 1st half of 2011.

 

Nvidia did not blacklist XFX. The decision to not carry the Fermi line was completely XFX's.

" XFX said that the decision not to carry this series of GF100 graphics card was their decision and that they will still be carrying NVIDIA products. From our conversation with XFX they mentioned that they have "yet to see whether the fermented launch will reach an inglorious anti-climax" and mentioned they want to "Ferm up to who really has the big Guns". We are guessing they mean AMD and it sounds like they have something special cooking up there too."

XFX Will Not Offer GeForce 470/480 Series GPUs - Says Fermi is Fermented - Legit Reviews There is the source article from when they made their choice.

 

Thanks for the output ziddy, just so I can get a second opinion here. Mandrake, do you think the JW worth it or KEEP the your JH?

 

It depends whether you can afford to wait for it to be available. Obviously newer machines will have better performance.

 

As long as you're not waiting for it just because it has 3D. God, I hate that new trend.

 

I could only wait a month maybe two. But clevo will have exclusive to gtx 480m meaning it would be near Christmas for this refresh.

 

I would definitely use a cooler with it but something like a portable AC unit isn't needed until you hit 3.4Ghz.

 

ziddy rolls on toward coming off as pathetic. Sheesh. You embarrass yourself.

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RE: pricing

I would expect Asus to come in around a price of $1600, up to $1900 for the top end model.

They target to come in at the lowest pricing, with every enthusiast GPU they carry. Just look at the history.

What do you mean by "exclusive"? Have the two companies signed a contract, for timed exclusivity?

 

Something like that. It just mean that nvidia will offer to clevo first while other manufacturer/brands will need to wait. (example: asus/dell/alienware/hp etc.)

 

The 480M release article did say "nvidia partnered with Clevo", not sure if it gives exclusive rights though. However, I'm highly skeptical of G73 getting the 480M, it will definitely be the 460M or 470M with 75W TDP, because 100W TDP will require Asus to redesign their whole notebook if they want to have it. While for the 75W TDP version they could just put it in easily. Moreover, Asus was never the brand to compete directly with Clevo and Alienware for the enthusiast market, their only try W90 failed quite bad.

 

I'd have got a w90 if I was in the market a year or two ago. They're boss.

 

I wouldn't want those, they had so many problems Asus discontinued it.

 

I remember following the W90's launch; it was an unmitigated disaster.

So many issues, too many RMAs.

 

So I guess no one expects a dual card G73 anytime soon.

 

Best leave the sli/xf stuff to AW/clevo... asus has always been more about budgeted performance (and quiet in the g73 case). It occurs to me now that if clevo came up with a machine that wasn't so noisy, I'd buy it :/

 

Theres definately more noise complaint with the m17x than clevos w870cu or x8100. My w860cu is very quite imo

 

Yeah I've come to the conclusion the average Clevo user is deaf, well half deaf Agreed if Clevo were quieter and not so bulky looking, I'd consider buying one also.

 

I kinda agree, asus avoided the GTX280/285m on their past G series and went with GTX260 and even then underclocked, i think they might skip the 480s also out of price/power/temp. I havent even seen if clevo intends to put a 480 on their 15''... so im expecting to see 470 (just a lower clocked maybe lower voltage 480) on the G73JW and 460 on the G53.