I'll skip catalyst 10.10m WHQL because of this...

MMLA.


That's why I'll skip 10.10m. It's supposed implemented in 10.10m but for some weird reason (marketing) is inactivated by AMD and re-activated in 10.10 Hot Fix only for 6000 users. For people who don't know about this MMLA, it's a new AA technique used in most of the PS3 games for Full AA. It's a full screen post-processing technique with render full (and indredible) AA with no lost of performance. Look this graph:



As you can see, the performace decrease is just 2 fps, a way better that SSAA or MSAA with better results. Here some examples:

http://h-4.abload.de/img/valrumlaa-sc2uths.png

and here:

http://h-4.abload.de/img/valrumlaa-hl2-1xsia.png

So, as you can expect, it's not available for radeon 5000 series, but I found some way to implement it on ours 5870m:

I had not tested yet in my machine, an probably I'll wait for 10.10 DNA modded drivers.

More info is found here:

Geed3D

Nicagamerz (in spanish)

PCGamersHardware (In german)

Tom's Hardware

(do not how to post small images, mod feel free to reduce the image size)

 

So you will skip a driver release because it doesn't have a new feature implemented yet that you didn't have before? I'm not understanding. If the driver improves performance in a bunch of games but doesn't have a feature that you don't already have doesn't it make sense to go ahead and use it until 11.Xm comes out with the feature you are waiting for?

 

What Jody said. I didn't quite understand what you were getting at either, Nekki, could you please clarify?

 

Jody meant, why hold back when its a feature you already don't have in current drivers. 10.10 has performance increase in games so why hold back. Thats my interpretation of it. Personally i've not tried it yet, downloaded but haven't installed. Just because i'm lazy

 

Because most all the improvements are already available in 10.9a (yes the modded one). If you guys goes from 10.8 to 10.10 it's OK. IN my case with 10.9a the performance is already awesome and I'll wait for 10.10a from DNA group which is already working in implement this awesome feature. Imagine playing Crysis with optimized drivers at 720p with full screen MLAA upscaled to 1080p at 60 fps.... that's why i'll do the upgrade later.

simple:

10.10 is the whql for everyone (without mlaa activated) for both mobile or desktop
10.10a hotfix with mlaa activated for (only) 6000 series in win vista/7
10.10b hotfix with mlaa activated for (only) 6000 series in winXP

Now I'm in 10.9a DNA modded (there is no official 10.9 release for mobile) which already have the improvements from 10.9 desktop + modder improvements + mobile compatibility.

 

MLAA isn't included in 10.10 WHQL. Even if you do the registry modifcation or edit the INF with 10.10, MLAA won't work.

You have to use 10.10a hotfix, that's what the 10.10a hotfix is all about. MLAA.

IMO there is no reason to use the modded 10.9a. The performance of 10.10 WHQL is actually better for me at least and the PCI-E issue is fixed also. If you want the HQ AF and a few other tweaks from the 10.9a, that can easily be done by editing the registry yourself. In the registry will be something _NA, change the 1 to 0. 0 will enable it to appear in the CCC.

 

So what we need now is a Mobility mod for the 10.10a Hotfix drivers

 

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The new CCC won't recognize HD5870M, so it's the new drivers with the 10.10 WHQL CCC with the added MLAA modifications.

In the process of uninstalling 10.10 WHQL to try these myself.

 

if you install these with a modded inf,do you still get the powerplay functionality?

 

Everything works. MLAA and Surface Format Optimization working here.



Only problem is that because these are modded they are not driver signed. That means you have to disable the driver signature enforcement idiocy that MS implemented on Windows 7. Luckily there are some work arounds for that, press F8 at start and select it, can use driver enforcer program and forget name, but there is another solution also.

Lastly, can just skip this and wait for a driver signed mod.

 

Yeah it really does work! Starcraft 2 and games look amazing. And the performance seems still good, even with Ultra on texture. Just wish they were driver signed though.

For now this program does the trick, just makes your windows bootup long: http://citadel.x10hosting.com/readydriverplus/

I'm hoping 3 different people will have mobile drivers that won't need this. I know TweakForce is working on one, dude owns a Asus W90. I'm hoping TWL will release one soon, he bought a few laptops to test his drivers with. And lastly hoping maybe rflair will do it, rflair the guy who seems to find beta drivers first and modded the 10.10 beta for mobile users.

 

Oh man, I really want this. This feature sounds awesome.

But I don't really want to hassle with ready driver plus.

Over on the Alienware M11x forums, there's a couple of awesome forum members who would modify INF files so new Nvidia drivers would be recognized by the M11x.

And when you installed it, you just got a warning about it not being WHQL, and clicked the "Install Anyway" option. And that was it.

I don't understand why it wouldn't be the same here? Or is it, and I'm missing something?

 

They are just modding already signed drivers made for their unit. It's the same thing if I mod a mobile driver to unlock some options, not a big deal and not the same thing.

 

enforcement idiocy?
PFF are you kidding me? without drivers being signed, anybody could do a rootkit driver, and make you eat it without even knowing.
most drivers run at kernel level, so signing them is important.

 

It's idiocy. If you install drivers you don't trust, that is also idiocy. I've never ever had problems with drivers and never heard of a horror story except when Nvidia's signed drivers melted a few cards. If driver doesn't work, uninstall it, install something else. So yes, I think it's 100% idiocy.

 

Ahh, now I'm picking up what you're putting down

 

no it's not idiocy, if nvdias/ATI servers get compromised anybody can put bad drivers, on the other hand if the drivers are signed, even if the server is compromised, they don't have the private key, only microsoft should have it.
It's not about working or not working, it's a security issues, learn about kernel ring, and public key cryptography before claiming here that it's stupidity, it is there for a reason,even linux repositories are signed to prevent abuse.
Here let me give you another example, suppose Nvidias/AMDS site is not compromised but your browser is, in user mode, and the malware does DNS spoofing, so when you access the drivers page it redirects to another page, but since you access the page via the domain name, you don't know of the DNS spoofing so you download the infected drivers.
Congrats, now don't go ahead and claim that SSL is idiotic and people should access all certificated because you only visit sites you trust, like they can't get comprised
I think you are missing the point of code-signing.

 

So you are implying people are too dumb to notice the difference between official drivers from AMD at an official source vs a custom modded driver?

Your arguement about malware is just insanely idotic also. If someone has malware, they shouldn't be worrying about signed drivers but getting that crap off first. Good grief.

It's 100% idiotic and your reasoning is not compelling at all.

I do not need to study kernel ring, and public key cryptography, it's utterly 100% idiotic.

How idiotic is it? Oh wait, it's only forced on x64 users, x86 are fine. So haven't convinced me a single bit yet. I think you are missing the point of I should have the freedom to install ANY modded driver I WANT. Or I should have the option to permanently disable this annoying and craptastic feature.

 

Or, or... you can stop trying to prove eachother wrong and do things the way you like.
I personally like having signed drivers, but If I didn't, I could disable it. No big deal.

 

Does this MMLA work with all games or does the game need to upport this?
And will 10.11 support this?

 

I gave you examples oh how the system can be compromised if drivers aren't signed, you failed to see that, it's not only about manual installation, and not only about graphics drivers either, you whine here about a legitimate security option, and you sound unconvinced because you are too ignorant and lack a lot of knowledge , oh guess now you've become smarter than all of Windows developers,and are a better mathematician then Rivest himself, honestly code your own FailOS and create your own form of encryption that needs no key, Oh wait that is like no encryption at all!

 

To use MLAA you have to install a modded version of the 10.10a hotfix with MLAA enabled modded for mobile users.

MLAA is a Post-Processing, so it is not limited by the 3D Engine. So in other words, a game engine has nothing to do with MLAA. MLAA will work with any game, some better than others. Just have to try it for yourself.

 

Hey Rockus, where your get your modded drivers?

 

Until something better comes, this is what I did.

Download modded 10.10a hotfix mod for mobile: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=4NIGKT9X

I did a clean uninstall etc. Then when I reboot I installed the 10.10 WHQL Mobility like normal, except uncheck the driver.

After I installed the drivers from 10.10a hotfix mod through device manager.

Installed the hydravision from AMD's website for mobile.

I used the driver enforcer workaround, and that's it. It works for now, PowerPlay etc, except for the driver signinig.

 

And MLAA, in games, is activated for you?? How they looks like, how is the performance?

 

DNA-ATi 10.10a.1 | Do Not Argue

your solution

 

Not really. DNA drivers still need the driver enforcement workaround, so no point for me to try these.

Looks great on SC2 and ME2 and DA:O. Performance hit is quite large in Gothic 4 though, but does look awesome.

 

Thats the case with any 64bit non whql driver. Any modded/altered driver has to be loaded with Driver Signature Disabled or windows x64 will simply not load them and revert back to the default drivers.

 

Not really. rflair's 10.10 mod of the desktop beta drivers installed flawlessly on mobile. And TWL's desktop mods for mobile again, install flawlessly on mobile. And TweakForce's modded, non-WHQL drivers also install flawlessly. I'll be using my current install for now, until TWL, Tweakforce or rflair releases their own versions.

 

Suite yourself but as a "Notebook Consultant" you should know "Win x64" doesn't load any kind of non signed drivers so it's really hard to believe they install without the need of booting your system without driver signing disabled anybody who claims different should read some more on this topic.

rflair -> only post leaked drivers and doesn't mod much himself if he does now a days you need to disable driver signing
twl -> doesn;t mod anything in the drivers itself and doesn't even add support for mobility at all, he uses separate applications to alter registry settings
tweakforce -> same thing no mobility support added so i seriously doubt you can even install them on your notebook

I can see where you're heading so ill just add this site to the don't visit folder as well.

 

Actually that title means nothing. I just means that he's posted over like 100 posts or something...

 

Ok so I installed this and now I have an option for temporal anti-aliasing, but nor morphological aa. Anybody know why this is?

 

Don't use both. If you do, your image will begin to look pretty fuzzy. You can turn off temporal in the registry.

 

rflair modded the 10.10 beta leak which were ONLY for desktop and they worked. Just adding INF changes didn't install, so he must know something you don't. No driver enforcement disable needed.
TWL added mobile support to some of the 10.7a base drivers. And because his drivers are completely custom, using elements from various others drivers, he again knows something you don't.
TweakForce again had mobile support for their 10.5 catalyst and plan on providing 10.10 also.

How they do it, not sure. All I know they don't need to be in test mode with driver signing or disabling at boot. Nor do I need to install from device manager, they install flawlessly right from the CCC installer.

Bye bye!

 

Sorry, I should have made myself more clear. I actually don't have an option for morphological at all while the temporal check box is where the morphological one should be according to all the screen caps I've seen.

EDIT: Ok I got it now. I forgot to copy the two INF files over like it says in the instructions on the DNA website.

 

Yes they are in the same place. I don't use DNA drivers and don't have any interest either. Drivers enable a lot of junk that I don't need. And they almost ALWAYS need the driver enforcement workaround. DNA drivers are off my list of mods to try.

I would just do the simple one, it's in the Game's forum on NBR with a simple to follow guide.

 

1. Run the DNA-ATi x32/x64 Cleaner batch file and reboot
2. Copy the 2 files from \Packages\Drivers\DNA_6xxx_on_5xxx_b1 -to the-
\Packages\Drivers\Display\W7(6A)_INF\ folder
3. run the normal ati Setup.exe

You're ignorant and clearly don't know anything about drivers and the way they work on WIN x64. You do know that you're the only person on the internet now that claims that he/she can install modded drivers without the need of disabling Driver Signature Enforcement.
You should give Microsoft a call and tell them how you did it as I'm sure they will be as surprised as the rest of the world who can;t install non WHQL drivers on the fly.

 

I have 2 different mods for the 10.10a

One is the DNA package, you will have to use one of the known work arounds to make these work.

The other is called MLAA for 5xxx dont remember where I got it. But it installed just fine on my desktop and gave me the new options without any work arounds. So my guess is somebody moded the WHQL drivers that are already signed to have the new features of the hotfix.

If it can be done on desktops it can probably be done on the mobile drivers too.

 

ROFL, I'm starting to think this surgical dude is actually KillerSneak... or AKA DNA Drivers.

Whatever happened to not visiting this forum again? Not enough people downloading DNA Drivers?

 

Ok, tested the damn MLAA feature and I must say, I prefer games without it, or I'll wait for a better implementation. The reason why it's because MLAA is a post processing full screen correction, that's mean everything is affected, even texts in menus. That's why everything looks fuzzy and I finished removing the MLAA. Regardless how the whole image looks, the AA is excellent. Tested in Split/Second and I can confirm this features for AA is awesome. All the edges looks corrected (but fuzzy). Never see an AA techniques which do not consume VGA resources. But at the end, the games looks as fuzzy/ugly as the ps3 (I must say hate it). Again, the techniques needs a better implementation for not affected menu's texts.

If anyone ask, I use the DNA 10.10a and I follow the instructions from the website. Just replacing the two inf file the installation went smooth and both toggles appears at the ccc. In addition, I wipe the files by uninstall it from windows control panel and a couple of time of DriverSweeper.

 

I just installed the DNA 10.10a, it gave me the driver unsigned warning during install but i didnt have to do the disable driver enforcement at windows startup...
It started up fine on its own and everything is working fine, including the MLAA

 

Test SC2 if you have it.

I am missing pylon power and other textures at random. I had this problem with 2 sets of 10.10a drivers.

I had to use 10.10 whql to fix it.

 

So Viscious, is the MLAA results good enough to go through the hassle?

Because what Nekki says makes a lot of sense. I don't like everything being fuzzed over either. And considering that this thing chews up most of the games I'm playing at full blast with at least 4xAA and 16xF and keep the FPS into the 40-60's I don't know if it's worth the gamble of it creating some unforseen error and then being stuck trying to fix drivers and losing time when everything is already working pretty solid

But I am intrigued by the intent of the technology, sounds like a fantastic implementation if they can get it to work right.

Though I kinda wish they would add more Tesselation support as of my 3 gaming rigs, this is the only one that is DX11 capable, so it'd be nice to see those features tweaked out more. Unless this MLAA is the same thing, then I'm embarrassed at my apparent naivete.

Cheers

 

You can not mod WHQL drivers and keep them signed.

I am and i already announced that. not enough downloads? There were actually people e-mailing me asking if i could help out getting the drivers working on their Sony Vaio Laptops. Not enough downloads? with over 20K downloads per driver I'm actually very satisfied. Not visiting this forum, I thought this forum could need some help on the driver side seeing people/kids like you here that don't understand anything about windows and the way drivers work on it. People/Kids like you that spread false information the whole day isn't a good thing in my books, I'm here to try and rectify it/you hoping you actually open up your eyes/try to listen to people that do know how things work on a persons system.

There is only 1 DNA-ATi 10.10a.1 set. Posting some screenshots would help as many people have the same problems with the Stock ATi 10.10 / 10.10a drivers so the DNA-ATi drivers can not be blamed for this. How ever you're the first to say that you fixed the StarCraft2 problems by Installing the stock drivers. So some screenshots would help me and allot of other people.

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Again anybody that claims that he can install Modded X64 drivers without doing the boot method or using a app to sign the drivers and run your windows in test mode. IT CAN NOT BE DONE. stop making false claims. Do a Google search / goto the Microsoft website what ever and read about it.

 

I did not state the 2nd set of drivers I had was from DNA they are not. They came from a post on another forum

I did not have to use the F8 method, nor did i do anything else so its proof in itself that its possible to mod the drivers in some way/shape/form to get around that problem. It does not matter what you say I have the proof in my own hands.

I assume they carefully extracted the changes to the 10.10a package and inserted them into the 10.10 whql drivers.

I say no its not...

However I took a few hours and put together something for the entire forum community.

I was finally able to track down the fabled MLAA.exe the program AMD used to release the screenshots of the before/after MLAA effect. (you cant take screen shots of MLAA since its a post processing effect)

I took the time to write a dedicated post explaining whats good/bad about MLAA.

Did some comparison screenshots as animated gifs to easily demonstrate the good/bad

And finally put together my own package with the MLAA tool so that everybody can download it and test for themselves with there own favorite games if they feel MLAA is worth it or not.

That thread is over here: http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...8166-morphological-aa-mlaa-good-bad-ugly.html

Enjoy.

 

well the textures are fine but my fps in sc2 is halved!!!
other games i tested
FalloutNV - works fine with minimal perf drop
Dirt2- doesnt work
Lostplanet 2 - doesnt work

Edit, ok reinstalled using the links and instructions here - http://forum.notebookreview.com/gaming-software-graphics-cards/528011-guide-installing-10-10a-hotfix-w-mlaa-support-radeon-mobility-cards.html
Still dont have any issues with driver enforcement, my windows just starts up like always without me having to do anything abt the unsigned driver

but frame rates in SC2 still half! with the MLAA
here are screenshots, with MLAA and without, note the fps in the top left corner

With MLAA - 28.6fps


Without MLAA - 57.1fps

 

How can you tell the modded drivers aren't malicious? I'm just wondering how you are checking and being 100% sure. The WHQL drivers are meant to protect the user and let them know they are certified, safe, and from a VALID source.

This statement right here just lets us know that you don't really understand what some of the people have been trying to say. The malware and unsigned drivers were related, as the user was trying to explain, but you did not understand or didn't want to. The malware works on the fly by installing from the site you went then points you to drivers that are "uncertified". There are so many ways to do this and spoofed sites are very popular way of doing it.

Let me just sum it up:

1 Unsigned drivers are great but have risks because they can be tainted.
2. WHQL is actually a good implementation of security.
3. You need to know the power a driver has when it is working with the kernel layer of the operating system. A driver with malicious intent would have many permissions and access other viruses and malware wouldn't have.

 

MLAA works for me in:
GTA IV
Lost Planet 2
Frontlines Fuel of war
Call of Duty World at war
Medal of honor Limited edition
Call of Duty Modern warfare 2 (little improvement)

and didn't work in:
S.t.a.l.k.e.r. CoP

I will add more games after I'll install them and try them.

 

With Vicious's MLAA test tool, looks like Just Cause 2 looks much better with MLAA.

I can't get the DNA 10.10a drivers installed though to test for performance hits or gains though. :/ The DNA drivers installs, but requires 2 files (atimpag, atimtag.sys) to be signed, but CCC won't properly initialize (only shows the HydraVision panel) and the 10.10a drivers won't start up so windows uses the default drivers. -.-

I've followed the instructions to the letter and it still doesn't work. :/

 

Probably need to sign every file the driver uses, and thats a lot of them.

You can see them all in the device manager window.