Make your Prediction on Video cards.

Which will have the better bechmarks? whats your prediction.....
im curious, because im not sure if i wanna go g53 or msi gx660

 

5870>gtx460

 

that really botters me... most ppl say 5870>gtx460 by a slightly amount

 

100% speculation - do not throw stones.

ATI 5850 < GTX460m < ATI5870 < GTX480m

 

Ati 5870m >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Gtx460m..

 

gtx 460m < ATI 5870 < gtx 480m

Side Note: Are we allowed to call it the 'ATI' 5870 anymore? Isn't it now the AMD 5870?

 

I am going to keep calling it ATI until I see an AMD sticker on my notebook So probably not until I buy a new laptop in a year or 2.

 

Fanboy here:

5870m>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>460m

 

Just my 2 cents: I am totally freaked out about AMD/ATI's GSOD and driver support (especially for Linux). Therefore, at least at this time, I would go for slightly slower performance for the sake of quality. I owned quite a few nVidia and ATI cards over the years and at least at this time I would go with nVidia because of stability. Never had problems with nVidia. Impress me, AMD!

 

Looks like we are done speculating.
NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M - Notebookcheck

As most people expected, the GTX460m slightly outperforms the ATI 5870 in some DX11 games but the ATI 5870 remains kings (by a slight margin) overall.

 

GSOD is only a vBios from Asus. The HD5870M doesn't GSOD with Alienware, Clevo or MSI, it's a stable and excellent GPU.

As for Linux, only ATi has full support for OpenCL and OpenGL 4.0 for Linux, you won't get that from Nvidia. The whole Linux driver support better from Nvidia is absolutely wrong.

Not only that, few weeks ago, ATi released open source driver so you Linux fans can just make your own drivers if you are unhappy.

ATi/AMD provides support for Linux and Open platforms in general. Nvidia is the proprietary goon, not AMD.

IMO Nvidia business practice stands against what Linux stands for. So I find it extremely ironic that Linux fans would support them.

 

I have to give an edge to 460m since performance is about the same, but you also get Physx support. When DirectCompute comes of age, then we're back at a tie.

 

I guess I don't think it's about the same at all. 6,700 on vantage vs 8,300 or 9,100 OC without any stability or heat issues... 30% difference is not the same to me.

And HD5870M for DirectCompute should be about 2-3X better. And DirectCompute is here already, not comes of age. This is why BC2 runs better on AMD HD5xxx so much better per $$$ than on FERMI.

 

Show me a game that uses DC for advanced geometry like Physx?

 

What makes you think PhysX is even good? PhysX runs on x87 instruction, single thread operations. It's the reason why non-Nvidia gaming machines run PhysX games terrible. The CPU cannot process fast enough on single thread instructions of x87 fast enough and bottlenecks the GPU. It's terrible in just about every way.

But yes Havok is currently working to making it work on DirectCompute.

DC is used in BC2 right now which is the best selling PC Game of this year. That's all the proof I need.

1,200 gflops of GPGPU power vs 400 gflops of GPGPU power. Plain and simple for me.
6,700 vs 8,300 Vantage, plain and simple for me.

PhysX sucks and shouldn't even be considered anymore IMO. And any game developer that does use it, are just screwing over anyone who doesn't use Nvidia. Running Physics off CPU with PhysX is assinine.

 

I don't play BC2, so it's balls to me.

I do play Batman AA, which the Physx add-on adds some great effects. That would be a great game to have DC support added.

 

well the new 460 showed up on the nvidia site yesterday,,, and by just looking at the specs, its gunna beat the 5870 easily with DX11 games..... the processing speed too is faster... more memory.

I dont see why this wouldnt be the better card... plus stability.... Move ati get out da way, moveeee!

the champ is here.

 

I didn't know about that. If that's so then this is awesome. Nevertheless, at this time I have some older ATI cards (x1650 for example) that I always had to use Nouveau driver ever since I bought them, i.e. no h/w acceleration. At the same time I have such oldie as 6200 for nvidia and it still has hw acceleration support in Linux. It seems that ATI has dropped their support too fast for their products.

If the driver support will change because of what you've said above, then I'm all for it. In fact, my top system at home is crossfire-ready and not sli-ready.

I was also taking into account desktop video cards. I was going to get two HD58xx but I've read soooo many complaints about GSODs, that I've decided to temporary stick with cheap nvidia, so I've to 9800gt and now I'm sitting and waiting for AMD to impress me. Otherwise I'm getting one of gtx 4xx.

 

For Batman AA you should be getting around 90 FPS average on the highest settings 1080p. This performance is actually higher than a GTX 285M and it should be even faster if it wasn't for PhysX.
- I doubt GTX 460M will be much faster for Batman AA anyways.

DC for PhysX wouldn't matter. The way Nvidia would implement PhysX utilizing DC, it would still only run on CUDA. It matters none for AMD users.

And PhysX would still be terrible off CPU and it would still bottleneck AMD GPUs.

PhysX should die. There is nothing in Batman AA where Havok, Bullet or any other physics engine can't do without screwing over the majority of gamers.

 

@Ziddy: Agreed. PhysX is a marketing gimmick that could be so much better ... and if they weren't committed to making it proprietary, well ... even better.

 

I played Batman AA on my G73...wasn't all that impressed with what was offered with the physx addons which easily could have been put in to properly function with an ATI/AMD card....

 

This is the same story for every PhysX game, it's just a gimmick.

 

Until I see benchmark comparisons I'm sticking with the 5870

 

I have a feeling that if you have a G73 or anything with a 5870 (or even a 5850) you'll be sticking with it... especially now that our 5870's only real issue has been squashed.

And then there's the issue of, if you've waited this long, why not wait a bit longer for 68xx's?

 

Well I didnt really mean to bring this post back from the dead, but it does seem like the 5870 is winning alot of the benchmarks?

or are we waiting to see an updated driver from Nvidia to actually make our decision. All the benchmarks I have seen have the 5870 winning, unless someone can show me one where the 460 is taking the lead?

 

It realllly would be cool if they could make a 6870m that we could swap into our units. For once could they make a upgrade card that fits into the dang MXM slots.

If somehow they did make a J73JK or something with the same board/layout.....Ahh we can hope.

In due time.. First we gota see if we can swap the 120Hz monitor from the 3D JW later on into the JH...


Gota control my tweaking addictions.... Ahahahaha!....

 

Overall you may be able to overclock the 460M to be a bit faster in certain places, but stock for stock the 5870m is still the reigning champ and I do not believe drivers will change that much.. We could also get an ATI driver boost for ours as well before the end of the year so who knows..

 

It doesn't matter. What you should consider is that the HD5870M is essentially a desktop HD5770 with lower clock speeds, unchanged. The HD5870M design is about a year old from September 2009.
- The GTX 460M has gone a number of different iterations. GF100, GF104, and now GF106 which is 460M.
- HD5870M is on it's way out, phased out, booted out the door.
- Unfortunately for Nvidia, despite the 460M's revisions, and higher price tag, it still can't justify it's price/performance compared to the HD5870M.

Maybe someday, Nvidia will decide to offer people something they can truly say, this is a great price/performance hardware. I say someday, as Nvidia seems to do quite well as there are a lot of people willing to pay premium price for 5% edge on performance.

 

True, but being a year old product still can run even if not beat a new one does not mean it shouldn't be compared. Also who knows when we will get a mobile version of the 6000 series. We will need a solid desktop release first before we will even know what ATI(AMD) has in store for us. (Though from the leak of the stats for the 6750/6770, if we got a mobile part based on the 6770 we would be in a world of pure awesome.)

 

No, it is not possible. The "6870" GPU will have a bigger GPU size "40x40" our current "5870" is "29x29"...

 

That doesn't matter. The GTX 460M is twice the size of the HD5870M and it fits.

What it depends on if Asus uses the same MXM slot and if they either use the same heatsink or provide users with heatsinks. Hopefully the bios supporting it also.

Also there is no proof or any information about a mobile 6870M yet.