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    Modified overvolting vbios of GTX460m on G73SW.

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by Saltius, Sep 16, 2011.

  1. Saltius

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    The voltage on the GPU is hardwired you can change the voltage in the Vbios but it will not actually change the voltage itself and will revert to the nearest hardwired voltage limit.

    For instance on the 5870M

    (0.95V and 1.15V) are hardwired so by flashing to 1.25V it will just revert to 1.15V or by flashing to 0.85V it will revert to 0.95V.
     
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    There's a risk to take, I guess I'll be the first victim.
    Better keep my warranty at hand ;) I'll try to flash it in a bunch of hours.
     
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    As I mentioned above modifying the Vbios will not modify the voltage you are going to flash the Vbios for no reason at all. It will specify the new voltage is applied but it wont actually apply it.

    It even says that in the link you have quoted:

     
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    Well I guess that trying it's the only way to find out.
    Since the gtx460m in the newer sandy platform is the v2 revision, who knows what will happen.
     
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    People have done many times which is the reason why I am telling you not to bother. Feel free, but flashing with settings that have not been used on an Asus reverse engineered hardwired card could potentially brick your card.

    Either way nothing will change.

    ''The voltage will show under all hardware informative programs as being what you have to set it to in the Vbios but it will not actually be using the voltage that you have specified, it will revert to the nearest available hardwired voltage profile''
     
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    Dallers im sorry to say youre wrong.
    Im typing from my g53sw with 825/1650/1650 and just had a full 3dmark11 run.

    The Voltage tweak WORKS. Because previously i wasnt stable even at 815 with 1400 on vram.

    I got 2480 with newer beta drivers which is a huge improvement. But theres a catch: my screen doesnt work anymore, im using an external screen.

    I hope its not busted but just the vbios who makes mess, eitherway im about to find out.

    BUT IT WORKS GUYS. IT DOES.
     
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    @Kingpinzero
    You'd better provide your own vbios other than to use that for G73SW. Just to make it safe as Dallers mentioned.
     
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    Great news!
    I am willing to modify your G53 GTX460M vbios.
     
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    Then the other numerous amount of people that have tried have clearly been wrong becaue your clocks are more stable which does not mean anything.

    If anything the biggest difference you will see will be your temperatures which will show a significant increase if you have increased the voltage. .5 increase should show around 10-20oC under load.

    I would make sure you are 100% sure before shouting ''It works'' to others on the forum who will run off to flash their Vbios. SVL7 should be able to clear this up he has done numerous tests on the JW with cards and Vbios.
     
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    Saltius, wait, youre the one who modded the bios?! man i didnt expected that!

    But please keep in mind that with THAT bios ive lost my internal LCD as my external works. Ive just made a flash-back to stock bios and the lcd works again.

    So something is wrong with that bios, maybe something is screwed up.

    Heres my vbios attached, please mod it and post it back :)

    What value you changed? Have you used Nibitor?

    @Dallers: it works, hell ill be damned if im saying a lie. 3dmark11 runs like a champ and is stable!
     

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    What appears to work and what actually works are two different things.

    Even so I am just a mad crazy person who knows nothing running around in circles trying to catch my tail. I only hope others understand what Hardwired means before flashing aimlessly. If the temperature has not change you have not changed the voltage. Simple.

    If it did work. I would be buying an SW of that I am sure. ;)
     
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    Here it is.
     

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    I'm benching right now but I'll try it ASAP!
     
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    I used hex editor (such as xvi32) to modify.
     
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    Ok reflashed my own modded bios and now my internal screen, im about to make a few tests :D

    Which value you modified mate? THANKS A BILLION!
     
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    The voltage setting of 3D_high clock was shifted from 01 to 02 in the clock domains.

    Besides, 0.9625v just lies in the voltage table which I didn't change.
     
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    I see, you should post a screenshot.
    Ok my internal screen works again, im benching at 826/1651/1650 with 3dmark11.
    Ill report back in a few minutes. So far im on third test and its doing good :)
     
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    Ok here i am:

    Ive observed the same manner with jh old bios and newer sw bios, 1 point difference in 3dmark11.

    So heres my new score:

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2630QM Processor,ASUSTeK Computer Inc. G53SW score: P2402 3DMarks

    And heres a screenshot of GPU-z, Inspector and 3dmark11 with 826/1651/1650.

    [​IMG]


    Clearly the voltage has changed like its shown in gpu-z. I have yet to test '06 and other things, also i may try to increase it toward 830/1660.

    Ive tried 850/1700/1600 but it recoverys, thats my wall. If im doing my math right, i should be able to push it toward 830.

    Thanks again mate, +REP obviously
     
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    Your new score is lower than the score in your sig?

    Please explain how you can confirm that the voltage has increased? As I have already mentioned I dont think it has and from what you have shown it hasn't. I said very clearly on the other page:

    ''The voltage will show under all hardware informative programs as being what you have to set it to in the Vbios but it will not actually be using the voltage that you have specified, it will revert to the nearest available hardwired voltage profile''

    Have the temps increased? that is the most noticable difference.

    Before people start jumping on the Dallers is a 460M hater bandwagon I am here to look at facts to prevent people flashing and bricking their cards on information that is not correct. This is one of those occasions. If this was confirmed 100% I would be switching to an SW and many others would as well which is a clear sign why it is not.
     
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    Asus GTX460M has 3 voltage settings in its vbios

    00:0.8125v
    01:0.9125v
    02:0.9625v

    So I shifted the value in the picture I attach.

    Besides, Asus 560M also has 3 voltage settings
    00:0.8125v
    01:0.8125v
    02:0.9625v
    And Asus version GTX560M already run @ setting02. It seems impossible to overvolt through vbios mod.
     

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    Thank you so just to confirm you have used one of the hardwired settings in the Vbios not actually changing the voltage.

    I think that is where the confusion is so people know you are not changing the voltage just changing the voltage profiles.

    Same as the JH we have 2 - 0.95v and 1.15v. You cannot change the voltage past what Asus have wired it to.
     
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    I'm just showing that I'm able to keep those clocks, I couldn't before Dallers.
    And thats a thing I know for sure, also voltage reading changed as well.
    I'm not jumping at you or else, I know what limits I had before, that score can be beaten I know it :)
    Either way it works and I'm happy.
     
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    Edit: Dallers check previous 3dmark11 run above, 2413 I ain't wrong.
    Don't bother with latest run as I didn't even rebooted my system yet and Im storming between 100 things together :)
    Also yes, max temp increased. Was about 83c under 3dmark11 now it goes up to 85c.
     
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    This is quite interesting though even though the voltage is not being changed from what SVL7 has just said to me (below) that what Saltius has done means that it is after all still an extra boost in your core performance. Another bonus for Nvidia while we ATI ppl suffer is that you have this additional setting.

    Boooo haha!

    The fury for what Asus have done to the voltage runs deep. I have 40oC to play with before meltdown and we are all stuck at a pitiful voltage. :mad:

    So... agreed +1 to Saltius!

     
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    Okay so i rebooted but i have time only for a 3dmark06 run.

    Again clocks 825/1650/1650:

    [​IMG]

    This should nail any doubt now :)
    I confirm that 830/1660/1650 crashes the driver. I could try 830/1650/1600 but i dont have time for now.
     
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    What increase is that over your stock clocks, if what is mentioned above is right you should be able to get a good increase on your core/shader as long as you dont touch the memory.

    If 560M users can do this as well it could push the 560M core into the higher 900's. :eek:

    SALTIUS! could you take a look at the G73JH Vbios when you have a moment please! :p :p :p :p
     
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    Just post the vbios, I shall check.
     
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    We have no additional voltage setting though unfortunetely. But unless someone beats me to it I will post it up when I get home.

    I like kingpinzero would be a lot happier if my Core was at 850 instead of 825 :D
     
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    Oh sorry that I just misunderstood. I thought we were talking about GTX460M.
    I'm not good at modding ATI vbios, to tell you the truth.

    Besides, I think some MSI/clevo 460m may reach 850 core if setting mod possible.

    Because their stock voltage is higher than Asus one.(0.95v vs 0.9125v)
    Maybe there are hidden voltage settings higher than 0.9625v in MSI/Clevo 460M vbios.
     
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    Good work Saltius!! I'll check the 460m VBIOS of the Dell card this evening, I'm sure some people are interested in this.
     
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    Without any irony ;) sadly it doesn't :( I really expected with those clocks the 460M to give better results overall not just in the case of this post. It could just be the DX11 processing but what is causing it to fall around 10% (250 points) behind the 5870M results from 3DMark11.

    Are the results from an unlocked overclocked 460M much different? Could it be the voltage that is limiting the G series, it would explain why the temps stay so low by keeping it locked below 1V.
     
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    This Bios is from a g53JW... Can it be modded in a similar fashion? Great find Saltius.

    View attachment GF106.zip

    I think I attached that properly!
     
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    Mhm, good question. I wonder what an unlocked gtx460m can do; besides what could differ between asus and unlocked card?
    The gpu should be the same, same rops, same bus, same thing, aint it?

    Anyway i hit my wall. This is my higher OC stable under 3dmark11: 830/1660/1650.

    NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460M video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-2630QM Processor,ASUSTeK Computer Inc. G53SW score: P2410 3DMarks

    p2412

    So basically the HD5870m goes up to p2600? Thats great :)
     
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    SVL7,

    Is the vBios for the G53SW the same as the one for the G53JW? I wasn't sure if there was any difference as these are two different versions of the G53. As proprietary as ASUS makes these different chassis I wanted to be sure to not go flashing haphazardly! I think Dallers is correct about being sure about these things before going forward.
     
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    Will the g53sw bios file work on the g73sw??
     
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    Well i did another 3dmark06 run, with those clocks above, gained 100 points:

    [​IMG]

    I can say that im happy lol. Gonna update my sig as well, then its all gaming time. I will do a dirt 3 run and a Crysis 2 run as well.
     
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    Ok as for gaming i have to step down the clocks a bit. 830/1660/1650 arifacts then freezes, while 825/1625/1650 is fine with 2 runs under dirt 3.

    This is the result:

    average av_fps_ms="16.753975" min_fps_ms="20.724298" av_fps="59.687328" min_fps="48.252537"

    Also the min fps is 48.5, almost 50, which is great.
    Settins are 1080p, dx11, 8xCsaa, Everything Maxed Ultra except Shadows (Very High), SSAO (Very High) Reflections (Very High).
    Gonna bench Crysis 2 with Adrenaline/Times Square soon.
     
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    Ohh good work Saltius!! By the way that thread on mvktech was started by me :D
     
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    Okay benched with Adrenaline and Crysis 2 latest patch.
    1080p default ranked options, dx11, High res texture pack.
    25,5fps on Extreme which isn't bad :)
     
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    Maybe just with my XM but that is on par with your 2630QM so here are my results with my gaming clocks. Not as high as what some get but I find these comfortable.

    Stock JH Running at 720QM clocks 15/15/18/21 5870M 825/1100

    ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870 video card benchmark result - Intel Core ix,ASUSTeK Computer Inc. G73Jh score: P2530 3DMarks

    My JH Running at 920XM clocks 24/24/26/28 5870M 825/1100

    ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870 video card benchmark result - Intel Core ix,ASUSTeK Computer Inc. G73Jh score: P2604 3DMarks

    Still the voltage issue comes into question. If I only hit 74oC at extreme burn in I could probably have it running at 1.25V and still only be in the high 90's. Grrrrr.
     
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    Oh, I'm sorry... seems it's me who didn't read properly. No, the JW and SW VBIOS files are not identical, I just took a look at them.
    But it's almost the same as the G73JW VBIOS. I quickly modified it, there's the same setting available as in the G73JW VBIOS.

    I used the VBIOS you posted here.
     

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    At last somebody did it :) so, Kingpinzero I think after a few try you get the right result for same and it was 814 before and now 825 stable it is really great, actually after your internal screen issue I was wordered but I think all clear now.
    So, in my case I could push up to 835 during benchmarks and game play was 825 so maybe voltage can earn little more so I will try for sure.

    so some of you can post little simple guidance and programs so people can try actually and you can save them with the same unexpected issues

    one more thing, I m planning to use the same bios for my g53SW seems all should work
     
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    Well dunno what i can post to guide peoples into doing this.
    Saltius on the other hand can do a few screenshots with the hex editor to help peoples understand which value/address they can change instead of bothering him with custom modded bios on request :D

    As for flashing well all you need is a bootable usb drive, theres a ton of guides around (the HPFormatTool is still the best and easiest way) and the latest version of Nvflash.

    Correct parameter should be nvflash -5 -6 biosname.rom

    Then hit Y when it asks to flash it. In case of a different vbios, hit Y two times.

    When you flash a bios theres always a risk to loose your internal display, but keep in mind that 90% of the cases you can still use the external output. Thats what helped me today.
    Using an external monitor can help reflashing the old bios.

    Thats all i guess :)
     
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    :) yes sure,,,

    actually my point was to clear how to escape from black screen :)

    rest of them seems ok, but guidance is guidance :)
     
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    The pro trick is to have a second DOS bootable USB stick prepared with the original VBIOS on it, Nvflash and an autoexec.bat which automatically flashes the card with the vbios file, so you don't even need a second display.
     
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    I have question about G73JH - there is some vBios which can overvoltage and overclock GPU ? Becouse on stock vBios my GPU cant work on more than 750/1050 - in games it stops and only works restart... I try RBE but voltage its same - maybe some HEX edit? or something like that? please answer!
    Regards from Poland
     
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