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    New 14 inch G-Series Notebook

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by kurtcocaine, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. mattstermh

    mattstermh Notebook Evangelist

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    So should I upgrade my cpu to the i7?
     
  2. Nivaku

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    It all depends, I customized mine with the i7-3630. I'd still be happy with the i5 since it's still a beast-mode CPU, I'll rather have the upgraded screen then my upgraded CPU any day. Or have an upgraded GPU like the 670m or something.
     
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    Those numbers are most likely either completely made up or from an early test chip. There's no reason why Haswell would perform worse than Ivy bridge in any task. But really Ivy bridge + dedicated GPU is enough performance for most things and if not a desktop system is a better choice :)
     
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    They did it to avoid having a whole separate port for it, and because Apple is really greedy. The following is mostly true but skewed with my opinions:

    See, what we know as Thunderbolt used to just be called "Light Peak" and was supposed to go in the USB connector, as an optical standard (ie: Light Peak cables would be fiber optic). It would maintain backward compatibility with USB 3/2/1.1/etc.

    Then Apple got to it and said "Hey Intel, we'll pay you a bunch if you license this to us" and Intel said "Ok thank$ a lot for the$e licen$ing things" and Apple took Light Peak, changed it to work with copper wires, put it in the MiniDisplayPort port instead of USB, and found out that copper was too noisy to transfer that much data at once, so they had to also invent "active cables" which means they have *another* chip inside them.

    So instead of being this nice fast, scalable, long-cable optical standard, we have a crappy short-cable copper standard with $50 cables, lots more confusion, and very expensive licensing because Apple created this new standard. Unfortunately, the fact that it's so fast to begin with, and the fact that Apple markets to professionals, means that Thunderbolt stuck while Light Peak died. Sony had something similar on one or two models (based on Light Peak) but no one bought it so they killed that off, too. :(

    That is why they do that to confuse people.

    It's a new architecture designed for optimal power consumption. There are plenty of reasons that it could perform worse, clock for clock, compared to Ivy Bridge, though not as many reasons as when AMD went from their Phenom line to Piledriver (IPC is similar, etc).

    The review did note that the single-threaded benchmarks are not the best things to use sometimes, but overall, we're looking at a ~5% performance increase, which I consider pretty negligible. I think they are accurate numbers, though.

    The other thing to consider is that this is a power-focused chip. So while the performance might be only a 5% bump (clock for clock), power consumption might decrease by a much larger amount, making the total performance per watt much greater, and that pays off for mobile computing. For gaming, it means higher overclocks, and that CPUs can be clocked higher at stock. Therefore, we might see a larger than 5% performance difference at the same power level just because the clocks are higher. I'll take that.
     
  5. be77solo

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    Depends on what you are after... I mainly upgraded because I enjoy some Flight Simulators that aren't optimized very well but can use as many cores and memory as possible to help compensate. Also a few games do take advantage of the extra cores, BF3 was a nice improvement, as was the Crysis 3 beta. Basically the biggest difference I've noticed in performance in games is it helped even out a lot of the dips in performance that would occasionally occur.

    Is it by any means a necessary upgrade or even worth the effort or money? Probably not. Would I do it again because I enjoy tinkering inside these things and do enjoy tweaking systems? Absolutely. It's a noticeable difference in the right situation that doesn't really change battery life and the machine still runs cool. But, day to day normal stuff you won't notice the difference either way.

    If you do decide to upgrade at some point, I'd recommend ebay for the cpu... watch for a couple weeks and you'll run across some really good deals. I snagged a Retail brand new i7-3630qm for $160, and could always sell my i5 to recoup a little bit of the cost. I also have seen a couple 3610's for sale in the marketplace here that the Alienware guys are selling after they upgraded to something faster. Other option would be send your laptop to HIDevolution and have them sell you the CPU and install it for you.
     
  6. mattstermh

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    To one of you folks who successfully upgraded from the i5 to an i7: Would you be willing to upload a video or step by step process with photos? Thanks.

    In the middle of installing the new 314.xx drivers and my screen just went black.... I am currently typing from my phone. What to do?
     
  7. JwPwns

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    i see, thanks for the information! I couldn't find anythig about that, even searching for thunderbolt picture was not an easy task -_- but that's so messed up! when does the listening end? Apple's worst than i ever thought of, but they still make pretty good mp3s lol that's the only thing i own with their logos on.
     
  8. be77solo

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    Check out the disassembly video posted in the other thread, it will show how to get the motherboard out... from that point it's just a matter of unscrewing the heatsink, cleaning the old paste off, inserting new CPU, repasting and reinstall heatsink. From that point refer to the reassembly video.

    As for the driver install, I'd try again with a clean install of the driver, sounds like just a glitch. I upgraded to them last week and they install just fine, so they are compatible. Good luck!
     
  9. youtpout

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    Hello,
    I'm interesting by the new asus gv46vw with hd+ screen (1600*900).
    Has it a graphic card MXM ?

    Thanks for the reply.
     
  10. Mize

    Mize Notebook Consultant

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    Has anyone set up a RAID configuration on this machine? Is there room in the mSATA space for two cards to run in RAID0 or would one have to match the mSATA to a standard SSD to run RAID0? Thanks.
     
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    There is space for only a single mSATA drive.
     
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    u will have to match the msata to a standard SSD to run raid, theres no room for 2 msata
     
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    A good pairing would be the crucial M4 since they perform very similarly to their desktop counterparts. To be honest though you don't really need to do that as a single drive will perform the same for the vast majority of people.
     
  14. Ted@HIDevolution

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    For those that want the HD+ 1600x900 resolution display upgrade for the Asus G46 series that come with 1366x768 resolution from the factory, we have confirmed availability of the HD+ 1600x900 display panel by early April.
     
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    That's great news, let's hope it is a higher quality panel HD+ screen with great color gamut percentage.
     
  16. Ted@HIDevolution

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    The display model is Chimei Innolux (CMO) N140FGE-EA2 - here is the spec sheet:

    http://hidevolution.com/images/displaydata/N140FGE-EA2.pdf

    It should be an upgrade to the standard 1366x768 panel in terms of overall quality (not just resolution), but it probably won't compare to known quality displays like the 15.6" B156HW01 V4 (NTSC 95% Antiglare) or 17.3" B173HW01 V4 (90% Glossy). This is because an ultra high quality 14" display isn't really in demand when compared to its 15.6" and 17.3" brethren.
     
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    Ouch. Is that standard for these TFT displays? That seems awfully low, but I know these are laptop panels.
     
  18. Benchmade 42

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    Thanks for info Ted @ HID, would you say the panel is better than the 900p panel of the m14x r2 since the 900p on the m14x r2 has dead colors where it is so dull and only has 40% gamut.

    The G75/G55 screens almost covers the SRGB Spectrum and about 60% Color Gamut and those screens looks great, so basically we are not expecting the NTSC 95% but at least close to the screen quality of the G75/G55.

    Let us know.
     
  19. Ted@HIDevolution

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    Unfortunately, the CMO spec sheet I provided does not tell you the NTSC % so I cannot attest to its color accuracy. I have not laid eyes on this new panel yet, as it is a brand new model. I will report back once we have the part in stock.

    I believe the G46 is available outside the US with 1600x900 now. My guess is that Asus used the same exact panel we are offering. Hope someone can chime in here and attest to its quality.
     
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    That's pretty standard.
     
  21. dronelebeau

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    could you tell us where or what county outside the US this model is available? thanks! :D
     
  22. mattstermh

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    So my screen just flashed for a second, and now my gtx 660m is no longer detected. I cannot go into nvidia control panel and when I try to install drivers it says no compatbile hardware detected. I am using the latest 314.07 drivers.
     
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    wow matt your G46 seems to be having so many problems, what were you doing before the screen flashed? did you check the system hardware (device manager) under display adapters, see if your GTX 660m appears there under the hd4k, if it is right click and roll back driver, or update it whichever if you havn't tried that
     
  24. mattstermh

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    I restarted and that fixed it... I just hope it doesn't happen again.

    And yeah, I've been pretty unlucky with this machine unfortunately. I haven't done anything out of the ordinary.
     
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    Do you think lenovo Y500 is better than this Asus ? 650M in Sli is equal to a 670MX.

    The thing is quality control & construction in Asus is faaaaar better than Lenovo.


    Any suggestions?
     
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    Well better for gaming in those titles which support SLi but it will be quite a bit heavier and noisier.
     
  27. HebronCL

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    Now almost all (new) games are coming with sli support.

    Dont know wich one to pick up yet.
     
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    Well you could just get something like a 9150 with a 670MX and get that single card performance for a similar amount of weight.
     
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    Im buying from amazon this time.
     
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    I like the idea of the Lenovo Y500 for the price, but having gone down the SLI road before with mid range cards (dual 8600m GT's), I'd be skeptical to buy again... granted my experience was a few years back and I'm sure drivers have improved, but there are always going to be more issues than a single faster gpu. From reviews I've read performance can be about as good as a 670m all the way down to no better than a single 650m depending on application... also the possibility of micro stutters can be a problem as well for SLI rigs and absolutely drive me nuts.

    Plus the Y500 is a 15.6" machine, not a 14" like the g46. If you are open to the bigger laptops I'd ponder something with a single 670 or 675 as mentioned above.
     
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    Micro stutter will be more apparent with lower end cards, notebookcheck did note this in their review.
     
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    Yep, about 3/4 through the campaign, runs great! I know the native 1366x768 is helping here, and I haven't tinkered with settings much, but its a steady 45-60+fps with medium settings and textures very high. I'm sure it could be tweaked further but I haven't bothered yet, just been enjoying the game.
     
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    The 660M is a very good match for the 768p display, it will struggle in crysis 3 on the 900p at the same settings.
     
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    Wow that's a very tempting package for that price. All it really needs is a nice size ssd.

    I wonder if this will impact the price of the new clevo 13" machine.
     
  37. be77solo

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    Yep, that's a great price for this machine... pop a mSATA SSD in it and use the stock 750GB for storage and you've got a killer 14" machine for around $1000.
     
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    Now if only it was MXM I would almost be tempted :p
     
  39. Mize

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    So someone in this thread tossed an i7-3630QM into the Best Buy model and there were no problems, right?
    That i5-3230M isn't bad for gaming, etc. but for running multiple VMs (i.e. working) it could sure use a better processor.
    Thinking of picking up the Best Buy model and swapping out the CPU and the HD for a Sammy 840 Pro...
     
  40. vr4racer

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    Yes you stick any of the quads in the best buy model.
     
  41. Mize

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    Think I'll go get one today then. Does anyone know of any differences between the two Best Buy models other than the tiny bump in cpu speed? I'm hoping the didn't pull the Intel wifi/bluetooth for example.
     
  42. Mize

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    Okay, I bought a G46vw and an SSD. It seems Asus doesn't have their own recovery utility so should I just use the Win8 built-in recovery tools to make a recovery USB stick and then swap drives and do a recovery?
     
  43. Micaiah

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    I've been mulling over this laptop for a while and may just forego the whole ultrabook idea for this. Best Buy's picture is confusing though, one picture shows the back vents being blocked while the others show them being there?
     
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    Huge vents, not blocked. Power brick is huge.
     
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    Great, thanks!
     
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    I'd go for a fresh install and just install the drivers you need and the applications you want ;)
     
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    i was so setup to buy this laptop but while browsing these forums i accidentally went in the Lenovo forum and saw a y400. Which is the best between these two laptops cannot make up my mind which one i want. Please help
     
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    Forget the y400 since it doesn't have optimus and it is suffering from some kind of touchpad issue. Wait for the 900p version of the G46 which will come out next month.
     
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    The 900p screen will be a big help IMO due to the usual viewing angle/colour/contrast and desktop space improvements.
     
  50. dronelebeau

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    Y400 still beats G46 on the price. :D

    my guess is that an i7+900p G46 will cost twice as much as an i7+768p Y400.
     
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