Official Spec Of Asus G73JW & G53JW In China

Yesterday I came across a asus store in Beijing, China..and i saw a catalog of their new laptops.such as the N53JF/N43JF, U33JC/U43JC, NX90, and lots more.then suddenly when i opened the catalog i saw asus G73JW written and was quite surprised with them showing the graphic card Nvidia GTX 460M 1.5GB GDDR5.(so i was supposing it would not have the beast GTX 480M..BTW they said its going to be on stock on the starting of the next month in september..here are some pics..enjoy..

 

thanks good news

 

curious it says 720qm and only 640gb or 500gb hmmmmm

 

Good to know that there's confirmation in at least one place

 

640gb hdd is really the only viable change.

 

yep at least we know what will the graphic card be for the 73JW..hehehe it will not be the beast...

 

maybe its the base model..but to be confirmed i called the asus in CHINA just now and they say they will not be putting th GTX480 in there..still dont know if they are going to put it as optional but i guess no..

 

Good to know that Blu Ray is confirmed. Also just noticed it support EAX 5.0. But still missing full specs. Has it HD web camera or just SD? And what about Nvdia Optimus? Core i5 version has integrated graphic, HM55 and GTX 460 - does that mean it should support Optimus whatever ASUS say?
Want to buy G73Jw w/ FHD 3D, Core i5 and 8Gb RAM. Just can't wait any longer.

 

the 73JH was close to 3000USD in China. I think G53 and G73JW will be similarly overpriced. Who really needs windows ultimate instead of a second hdd and extra 4GB ram?

Most people are buying from the US

 

3000USD in the country where it was built?! This is madness!!

 

yes its more expensive here..the normal A2 cost 21000rmb around 3100 us$..its kinda wierd its so expensive here where as the other models are slightly the same price with us.

 

btw, any speculations how faster will the 460M be compared to mobility 5870?

 

-15% faster

 

yep should be slower then the 5870m

 

well i guess nvidia is just trying to compete the ati in the g73..so they wil put slightly the same performance for the graphic card...but i guess with the same price...

 

yeah some how asus is overpriced in asia. for example g51jx is costing 3k sgd based with 1.37 conversion rate, it will be around 2180 usd. though the specs are slightly different, but the price difference does not justify it -_-


anyway, gtx 460m is indeed slower then 5870m but with the new usb 3.0, wihd (wireless hd), is it really worth the replacement/upgrade?

 

yep true..ill update the price tag and the spec a bit later..around mid september..well i guess the price tag will be a wooping 3000us$ above...since the JH is around that price..

 

ill stick to my JH-A1 the beast waiting for a new processor the i7-840QM comming soon..

 

ughh opening it will be a a ... it isn`t paid work, i would have not want to open in my self too

 

That's nice... we still can feel proud about ours horsepower-nofailurefree-G73JH as one most affordable gaming laptop.

Probably 'coz 460m will be more expensive than the (old) 5870m, the must reduce the rest of the component to keep the price in the same range (less RAM, less HDD, same cpu (now cheaper), less gsod).

 

hahhaha ive opend it 3 times so it will be like a walk in the park for me now...

 

yepp so true...i agree..

 

There are a lot of 5870 gaming notebooks on the market already but still no good gaming laptop with switchable graphic yet. Why not just let someone make a nearly perfect product with Nvidia card. More expensive, sometimes less in-gaming efficient but still has other pros like HDMI 1.4 compatibility, Optimus (with i5 probably) and CUDA.

 

Sadly it's like this for just about all products. Buying iPhones for example in the US and then selling it in China. But then, there are so many alternatives that we don't know about in China. For example I know China has their own CPU manufacturers and these CPU run much cooler and more energy efficient than what we have. 1 billion people needing energy, this factors in

 

Let me break this down for you. The GTX 480M is a desktop GTX 460 with half the clock speeds. Yes HALF the speed. The GTX 465 overall has been said to be extremely dissapointing for it's price and performance just like the rest of the FERMI line.

Where ATi 5xxx excels and overtakes Nvidia is volt modding and overclocking. People who use HD5770 are overclocked from 850/1200 to 950/1400. This is the same for HD5870M users.

GTX 480M excels:
- Tessellation. They have 5 dedicated units, which are shader units
- Anti-Aliasing and Anistropic Filtering.
- They have money to pay off game studios to use Nvidia and ignore AMD.

HD5870M advantages:
- Overclock to 800/1100.
- Cooling/battery!
- HD5870M has more than TWICE the GPGPU power, 1.3 tflops vs 500 gflops.
- HD5870M has more than 4 TIMES the Direct Compute power than GTX 480M. When games use DirectCompute, ATi will shine.
- HD5870M has higher texture and polygon throughput.

But overall these two should be head to head.

Using my normal playing clocks. My gaming overclock is right now 800/1100, all the time.

The 3DMark06 no comparison since it uses a desktop CPU.

But the Vantage which is a far better benchmark for DX10 GPU, 9277 vs my 9026. That's about 3% increase in performance.

THREE PERCENT.

Bad Company 2
Notebookcheck GTX 480M high, HBAO on, 4xAA, 8xAF 37 FPS
My G73 HD5870M, HBAO on, 1xAA, 16xAF 45-60 FPS

Dirt 2, Nvidia wins by 6%
Notebookcheck GTX 480M gets 46.8 in DX11 Ultra


CRYSIS ODDITY??? HD5870M wins by 25%
Notebookcheck GTX 480M Very High, 0xAA, 0xAF 16.1 fps


Unigine 2.0/2.1, Nvidia wins by 35%%

Notebookcheck GTX 480M (Tessellation (normal) | High | all on | vsync, AA and AF respectively off) 33.7

 

So what do we see from benchmarks?

In DX11 games with tessellation, GTX 480M will win.

With games with high polygon and texture output, HD5870M crushes (Crysis).

The GTX 480M's tessellation performance are really bad. They are so bad, GTX 480M users are better off playing games with it turned off... just like HD5870M users.

Bringing it down to DX 10.1 or DX11 with DirectCompute, HD5870M should win, if not right on the heels of GTX 480M.

Overall we'll see about 3-5% increase in performance from GTX 480M.

That's HD5870M vs GTX 480M. What do you think vs GTX 460?

I smell 3D Vision Gimmick and nothing else. If you want gaming, go with the HD5870M. You can always buy the 120hz screen and install it yourself if it matter that much to you.

 

So what about Drivers?

Nvidia fanboys said, wait until Nvidia releases better drivers.

NEVER HAPPENED.

In fact after months after, there was a comparison of HD5870M and GTX 480... ATi Drivers IMPROVED in performance even more while GTX 480 did nothing. As time passed, the ATi HD5870 become a better buy. Further closing the gap with stock settings... and we know just about every ATi user gamer plays overclocked. Why wouldn't you when you have so much thermal/power headroom.

Using Fraps, TechSpot (One of the few non-Nvidia paid review sites) shows Nvidia fanboys were wrong

My opinion:

Between the HD5870M and GTX 480M, it's a toss up. It really doesn't matter in terms of performance, but if you want battery life, go with HD5870M. If you want that extra 3% get the GTX 480M.

But for the GTX 460... I say go with the HD5870M. HD5870M as I said is only 3% slower than the GTX 480M...

 

lets see, will any 1 actually mod the new g73jw with the 5870m from g73jh, that would be awesome

else just go to the marketplace and get the 5870m, just hope that g73jw will not be using the reverse mxm plug, that would be sux -_-

 

ILL STICK WITH MY BEAST THE G73JH-A1...loving it more and more...btw nice facts ziddy123..cheers

 

The only reason I'd say to go with FERMI over HD5870M is if you want Anti-Aliasing.

But with 1080p resolution, I have yet to use Anti-Aliasing except in horrible console port Assassin's Creed 2. But that was no problem for HD5870M.

 

well i guess for 2010 and on 5870m will be good enough to play games in high settings just like the brother 4870m still going on strong...hehehehe

 

Ziddy, why are you comparing the 480m when the subject was the 460m? I mean, I know you have anti-nVidia sentiments and everything, but at least answer the poor guy's question. The 480m and 460m are different lines of Fermi, and the 460m shouldn't be nearly as dumb or ugly as the GF100-based 480m.

 

I did answer the best I could. There are no definitive benchmarks on the 460 yet. But if you think just because the 460 is GF106 it will outperform the 480... I think you are crazy then.

The GTX 460M is not a new design. It is not a die shrink. All Nvidia did was cut up the GF100 into smaller pieces since the GF100 is quite modular. The GF106 is 1/2 the die sizes of the GF100. The architecture isn't any better than a GF100 is the real answer.

BTW the GTX 460M will have around 256 shaders with 192 bit memory bus. Compare that to a 3% faster than HD5870M GTX 480M which is 352 shaders with 256 bit memory bus.

And it's not necessarily about Anti-Nvidia. I just believe mobile parts should be mobile. Nvidia thinks different, so of course I'll disagree.
- I also had the Nvidia 8xxx series which melted on me THREE TIMES!!!
- I also never ever found drivers for them which I was happy with!!!
- And my Asus with Nvidia is nearly twice as loud as my G73 with a HD5870M....

I also disagree with Nvidia's business practice. They use deceiving modeling numbers for their products. Their dealing with game developers and their marketing.

 

Well, I find it somewhat surprising that they are offering the same GPU for both the G53 and the G73. You would think, with more head room and better cooling (hopefully) of the G73, they could've at least put in a 470M GTX.

Regarding nVidia's business practices, I don't believe they are doing anything out of the norm (within the gaming industry). Think what MS has done with Alan Wake, Fable, Halo and the XBox360 or Metal Gear Series for Sony. There are always going to be moves to monopolize (or create a cartel) with such tactics. This may not always, but sometimes, do lead to innovations (albeit, often implemented poorly), such as PhysX and Ati's Direct Compute.

While I cannot speak for other nVidia cards, I will say that I have had no issues whatsoever with any of nVidia's cards that I have owned (which includes: 3200 GT, FX 5200, 6600 GT, 7600 GT, 9600 GTX, and currently 275 GTX in SLi). The driver support has been excellent for the 275, never had issues with heating or driver installation / uninstallations, and performance in games like Arkham, GTA IV and SC2 have improved with every new driver (especially in games where PhysX is enabled).

There was a time when ATi used to rule the GPU kingdom, (I remember owning a PC with a ATI Rage Pro 4MB VRAM in the late 90s). However, my experience with this brand has been less than stellar. From my 9800 XT having heating issues, artifacts, poor cooling, and the eventual death of the cooling fan to my current 5870 and heating and driver incompatibility issues. But to be fair, the heating issues appears to be completely Asus's fault, not Ati's.

On a positive note....My A0521 with a 4225 HD plays NFS Most Wanted with everything cranked up to High with no problems.

 

Did you own a Nvidia mid-range 8xxx, 8400-8600? Every notebook company, Dell, Sony, Asus, HP had massive numbers of RMA and Nvidia was forced to pay these companies to fix this problem.

And I agree, ATI seems to have given Asus a good chip, but Asus dropped the ball with half the vBios and terrible application of thermal pads and grease.

If Nvidia ever decides to provide a power efficient and cool chip with a competitive price tag, then yes I'd go for it.

Asus I believe went with the 460M is because of $$MONEY$$. The 460 is simply the best chip from Nvidia they could use within the pricetag of $1,500-1,600. It's not about size, but the money. If you notice the G53 and G73 prices are identical. The 480M and 470M are simply too expensive.

Put it this way, a 480M costs 3X as a HD5870M. HD5870M around $300, the 480M around $900-1000. So Asus went with a $300 Nvidia or close to it. It seems to me Asus does not want to compete with Alienware/Clevo for the top tier notebooks. They are going for the best performance for price gaming machines.

Also the GF100 based mobile cards have an entirely different cooling system. The 480M is completely encased in a copper heatsink. This means Asus would have to redesign the cooling system IMO and all they wanted to do was drop a Nvidia card where a HD5870M was.
- The HD5870M sits right on top of the motherboard.
- If you look at Clevo's with GF100 based mobile FERMI, you need to have it completely separate and away from the motherboard.

 

all my past laptop are using ati, so when i purchased my new laptop on january, i was so happy that i finally get a nvidia, gtx280m.

but 2 months down the road, i swapped it with 5870m, and once again im back with ati, irony indeed

nevertheless 5870m rox in term price and performance, not to mention the wattage too.

imagine a sli 480m and with a desktop processor, that is already 330w, when the psu they gave is only 300w -_-

nvidia really should think to improvise the architecture of the product rather being money oriented minded -_-

 

My previous notebooks were the P-6860 FX and the P-7805u from Gateway / Bestbuy. The 8800GTS and 9800GTS were fine with drivers, since nVidia started releasing notebook drivers on a 3 month cycle.

I bought a G73JH because the games I have been playing have been taxing the GPUs, and I wanted to have some MSAA options for Dragon Age. Plus I never owned an ATI card, so I wanted to try the 5870M. So this GSOD fiasco was my "Welcome To ATILand!" pheh.

I'd really like to see some games get some DirectCompute support. DC for Batman AA would rock.

 

Those Chinese specs really seem to be full of ... Less storage, not an upgraded processor, and an equal video card for alot more cash? I mean if that's true, asus won't be selling alot of those while the G73jh is still on the market.

 

The 460M will be at least as fast as the 285M, meaning very close to the 5870. Definitely not -15%. I know it hurts your soul, but it's true.

The 480M has horridly low clocks, while the 460M's are pretty high. This will make a big difference.

All you do is go on and on (and on) about GF100. THIS ISN'T GF100.

 

True, the G72gx I still have is much much louder than the G73, and runs hotter.

 

I did not say that. I'm saying that the main disadvantages of the 480m--horrible heat and load power drain--should not be present in the GF106-based 460m while stil offering good performance.

As for performance, I do believe that the 460m will actually outperform--marginally, anyway--the 5870 in DX11 graphics, but will be outperformed itself in DX9 and DX10.

And, as Jack mentioned, the 460m should perform on the level of the 285m, and the 285m was within spitting distance of the 5870.

All in all, I do have high hopes for the GTX 460m after the blunder that was 480m.

 

ugh who cares -5% +5% ahaha both will be good graphics cards for mobile gaming for 2010

 

I wonder if ASUS plans to break peoples illuminated keyboard again with a BIOS update for the upcoming G73JW series.

 

if its gonna be released on the first week of sep in china.. when will it probably hit usa?

 

emmm i guess its gonna be a delay to in china maybe end of september i guess..for us not quite sure..maybe around the same time..

 

It supposed to be released in end of septembre, beginning of October, with the G73jw releasing a bit before the G53jw. So says alot of articles and trusted sources.

 

Maybe if enough ATi Fanboys (or girls), can get their voices heard, rocksteady would implement DC for Arkham City....(one can hope).

 

Introduction - AMD ATI Catalyst Driver Performance Comparison | [H]ard|OCP

Introduction - NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 Review | [H]ard|OCP

This is why the new Fermi is better than ATI's offerings and why Asus is using it. Hating nVidia is understandable (if silly), but don't be ignorant of why nVidia's 460 series is a far different beast than the 465 and above. Or of the advantages of the newer nVidia series.

Hope Optimus is supported by these laptops. With USB3 and the cooler-running nVidia 460m series, if it has Optimus I'd be on board.

 

I am not ignorant and I have done my research thoroughly. Basing your opinion on the opinion of HardOCP doesn't prove anything.

If HardOCP thinks GF104 is so awesome when it has 1.95 billion transistors and a Cypress HD5870 has 2.15 billion and yet the GF104 half the performance of the HD5870... Then I think they are truly morons. This all says ATi's offerings are more efficient per size, per transister, per watt than anything Nvidia has. HardOCP thinks it's better when GF104 has 200 million less transistors yet takes up more space than flagship HD5870, they truly are idiots.

This means it costs Nvidia more money to manufacture a GF104 than it does for ATi to manufacture Cypress. That is better?

I've looked at the benchmarks of the GF104 from AnandTech. And what that tells me, GF104 GTX 460 is about the same as an overclocked HD5770 which is still cheaper. And the HD5770 when overclocked from benchmarkers, they say the fans still remain at around 30% with temps steady around 75C. So _|_ to HardOCP morons.

Know what is really sad here? You are comparing a GF104 that has yet to be released with ATi's offering from November 2009...

I'll be on board with Nvidia if they decide to make a product that is competitively priced. No matter what Nvidia has done so far, going from top to bottom, it costs substantially more for Nvidia to manufacture and that cost they are not eating themselves, but throwing it into the faces of their consumers.

If someone buys this, then more power to them. There are advantages I won't deny. 3D gaming, CUDA is a bigger name than ATi Stream, Nvidia works hard to keep game developers working for them, and of course, the bragging rights to say have a FERMI equipped notebook.

But don't tell me Asus is selling a notebook with 460M because it's better. That is just plain stupid. Asus is selling because they believe they will make a profit. That's like Activision execs making decisions on behalf of gamers and not what they think will make them more money, roflmao. Asus knows there are plenty of Nvidia hardcore loyal customers who have waited a year for a budget FERMI gaming notebook. That's all there is to it.

 

Apologies to others, I went off the deep end, not sure why I care to reply. Doesn't matter to me as long as Asus provides a great performing notebook on their next round possibly G75, by the time I need to upgrade.

I'm done, but I did the research and you all can confirm this by reading the actual reality behind GF104/GF106 and not what some fluff at HardOCP is jerking off to.