Official Spec Of Asus G73JW & G53JW In China

How can you judge the 460m so quickly, with such little testing that has been done on it. There are no benchmarks, no nothing. Until it actually releases, all you're doing is speculating on what you you read here n there, and getting enraged by it. I'll wait till it's actually released, and we get a true UNBIASED report on it. Not saying that any of you are biased, but I can't trust that. I'll leave my opinion to be based on reviews by professional unbiased reviewers, when it gets released. And if you're saying that nvidia costs a whole lot more, and that asus just wants to make cash, but the laptops are about the Same price, arnt they makin less cash with the 460m? The reason behind the decision to go 460m is that those cards are going to be 3d compatible, and that they will be similar in terms of performance to the 5870. I don't get where you're going with your whole asus just wants to make money, so do all compagnies that have ever existed. They are making this laptop as a viable option for value. Plus, with all the problems with the 5870's vbios for the G73jh, I think i'll stick with my decision to get the G73jw, even if it means losing 5% performance.

 

How can I?

Let me explain slowly.

GTX 480M with 352 Cores and 256 bit memory bus is about 3% faster than an overclocked HD5870M. It's about 10% faster stock.

The GTX 460M will have 252 cores and 192 bit memory bus.

But yes I admit I am speculating. I suppose I just wish Nvidia would release products that competitively priced with mobility in mind and play ball with the rest of the gaming community and not themselves. I just believe PC Gaming could be so much more if Nvidia weren't such dicks.

Console gaming is thriving because there is no issues. For 7-10 years game developers make games for the same hardware. Counterpart, for PC you have ATi providing everything they can. They provide cards that are fully compliant with all Direct X API over the years. They support as much open-source and open platforms as possible. Meanwhile Nvidia plays games with their idiotic PhysX, idiotic CUDA, 3D Vision and various other CLOSED platforms. This forcing the PC Gaming community to always provide half the quality comparative to consoles.

That's my beef with Nvidia. And the GF104/GF106 doesn't change any of the above. It just means for us notebook gamers, game developers still have huge obstacles from providing us the best optimized, performing and awesome PC games, all because Nvidia wants exclusive closed platforms.

Think of what kind of physics we'd see in games if both ATi and Nvidia were fully supporting open platforms? Think of the optimizations in graphics? I mean Nvidia never made DX 10.1 fully compliant video cards!

 

he speaks truth

 

Thank you for giving a true answer without all the anti-nvidia or anti-ati random ramblings. I'm tired of going throughout these threads and finding random anti nvidia or anti ati comments everywhere, that aren't based on anything, just the opinion of the autor.

 

I doubt Rockstar will add any DirectCompute libraries, since they probably got support / funding by nVidia by agreeing to use Physx exclusively.

 

Let's be real and unbiased for a sec. PC Gaming would be n a much worse state, if Nvidia wasn't funding so many projects. TWIMTBP actually kept PC gaming afloat for a long time, when the industry was concerned with its commercial viability.

I know you're bitter, because you got burnt by a bad G84/G86, but it's important to keep things in context, in an objective manner. Your constant soapbox moments are tainted, with ulterior motives.

There's a lot to be upset with Nvidia over, but your opinion is too skewed to be taken seriously.

Don't be fooled.

 

His second post makes legitimate sense tho. I don't fully agree with it, but it's based on facts.

 

Heh, that Kevin has been on my case about being a fanboy. And I believe it's uncalled for and unjustified for him to be branding me as such. I call it as I see it. Sure I don't like Nvidia right now, but as I said above, I'm not going to say GTX 480M sucks just because I'm a fan of ATi right now. I back it up with the available data there is. I read all sources, Nvidia review sites, ATi sites and unbiased sites to understand what is going on.

To those like him: Don't get mad at me. Get mad at Nvidia. It's not my fault after multiple revisions of GF100 that it still costs more to manufacture, and still far less efficient per transistor, per size, per watt etc...

I do not think that makes me a fanboy.

If anything, I'm a fanboy of buying the best money can buy and getting past marketing bullcrap from Nvidia, ATi and their paid reviewers.

Also Kevin is completely deluded into thinking Nvidia's meant to be played on bullcrap program kept PC Gaming afloat. Splitting the game developers to force them to choose Nvidia closed platforms no way improves PC Gaming. I can't even comprehend how he came to that conclusion, unbelievable.

And he thinks I'm a fanboy?

 

no wonder why but i completely agree with ziddy123..those he read was base on facts not by his own words..and honestly even thought i dont really know much about hardware bla bla bla..since my first laptop Toshiba M65 untill now G73JH im completely satisfied with ATI.i have owned a hp dv9211tx with geforce go 7600 and a dell xps M1730 with geforce 8700GT in SLI...im not as satisfied as i am using my Asus G73JH..im not a ATI or Nvidia FANBOY but trully i agree with him..

and btw i guess G73JW will be much more expensive then the JH because of the 460GTX in it.asus have tried to reduce the price of the JW by having the ram to only 4GB 1066MHz and the hard drive to 500GB only (based on the standard/first version) not as the JH it came out with 8GB ram and a 1TB HDD..i guess it will be more expensive around $200USD then the JH with the same configuration..

peace..

 

Hey found a picture of a Clevo D900F. I'm not sure how Clevo is doing the thermal for their other notebooks.
- But on the D900F, see the two fans connected to the gigantic heatsink with the massive copper fins right on top? That's the GTX 480M.
- Don't think Asus had that kind of design in mind for their strike in silence G73
- But agreed, to justify a new model to replace the G73jh, only a GTX 480M IMO would justify it. Especially since 3D vision requires incredible amount of power.

 

hahaha wow it could maybe float the D900F..hahahahha...

dammm those thing must be freaking hot..with 2 huge fans just for a single graphic card..??

 

There's no way that the jw will have 4 gb ram an 720qm and 500gb. This would be the worse downgrade ever, and it would just no sell while the G73jh is still on the market. I'm guessing those are the Chinese specs and not the specs we will receive in N.A.

 

that is why i said its the standard/first version that will come out in the market..?and why do u think asus wont do that to reduce the cost on the new 460gtx?yes its maybe only the chinese spec but its the best actual spec we got that ive shared right? from what we heard about the rumors that a 480gtx will be on the JW? since i saw that ziddy123 pic just now i would not assume that asus will put 480GTX on no more room space for another fan and heat sink..(since ive opened and saw the space inside the beast)

 

Cause if they do that, nobody will buy the Jw. There's no point seeing as new versions of the jh have 740qm 8gb ram and 1tb. And they are still under 2000. There's no way the GTX 460m will be that expensive, or else it wouldn't be in the laptop.

 

do u get what i mean?? that JW is just the BASE spec..and we still dont even know the price..and i was just assuming that it will be more expensive than the JH with the same spec in it..cuz as we all know nvida cards are much more expensive than ATI cards..and it will be more expensive because its the newer version..like a diesel and petrol car same model same chassis but different engine and petrol car cost more expensive than diesel car..thx

 

If the gtx 460m is more costly than a 5870, 500gb of memory, the difference between a 740qm and a 720m and 4 gigs of ram, I don't see why asus would put it into it's laptop. It will just not sell, base model or not, when there's a laptop that has way more for the same amount of cash. I understand what you say, I just think that those are not what's going to be in n.a..

 

its their marketing strategy as we know people now tend to see the processor and the gpu and put the ram and hdd beside because they can change or add the hdd or ram by their own and its not as easy as swapping a CPU or a GPU..they will still be able to sell this laptop as we know there a alot of nvidia fanboy out there waiting for a nvidia based gpu in the G73 series...with less ram and hdd i think it would not be a problem for them even though they pay a higher price than the JH its just like alienware same spec with the G73jh will cost around $2500usd less or more..where as they only buy the bling bling and the name..

 

If that's the case then USB 3.0 and sibeam can kiss my rear end while I buy the G73jh.

 

Umm.. The GTX 285M is still substantially more expensive than a HD5870M. The GTX 285M from RJ ranges from $400 to $700 and the HD5870M is $350.

There is no doubt in my mind the GTX 460M is more than $400. Probably around $600-700 my guess (pure guess).

The reason Asus is using this IMO is because the 3D Gimmick provided them some awards and attention. A bigger and beefier one, why not? And people will buy it with 4GB and 500GB. It's a FERMI!!!

 

yep i agree with you.its not hard to buy an extra ram or hdd rather than finding a cpu or gpu..

 

Yeesh. Why are we still referencing the GF100-based GTX 480m?

It's a joke that nVidia is probably still kicking themselves over. No question about that.

Now let's focus on the 460m.

 

I've never used, or will ever call you, such an immature word as "fanboy". All I've ever said is that your bad experiences with Nvidia have clouded your viewpoint, and you yourself have said as much in the past. I'm really not the only person who notices you recycling the same diatribes ad nauseum.

We agree, that the 480M is a joke, but you're allowing your bitterness to creep into every Nvidia related topic. All I'm asking is that you reserve judgement on future Nvidia products, until they prove to sink or swim on their own. There's no reason to bring such negativity to the topic of the GTX 460M, when preliminary data shows that it is a step in the right direction.

And you should do some research on how closely Nvidia works with developers, of all levels, because the company really is one of the reasons we get the decent PC ports which we do. They aren't just paying companies to slap a logo screen at the beginning of their games.

I have no personal beef with you, it's just that I feel your crusade drags the forum away from civil conversation.

 

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... but supposedly there will be a 3d model with 120hz LED screen, will not be that these models are the ones that come with nvidia GTX 480 ... that surely will be more expensive

 

Kevin reraises the good point that the 460m has not been released. It should not be judged completely before it's even released. It may surprise, or it may fail, we can speculate it's capacity and performance on past cards and past experience, but the fact remains that it hasn't been released.

 

These models of the G73jw and G53jw are due a month (November) from the estimated release of the laptops( end of septembre or beginning of October)

 

To be honest, i would really like to drop that GTX460 into my g73jh if it was possible. And if almost everything was left the same, a very high chance its possible provided asus sells one. Reason being both these cards have different advantage when it comes to doing design work. The 460 has cuda which is supported by softwares such as premiere pro. Where else this 5870 can be softmoded to work like a firepro card. Oh well, would be interesting to have that as an option.

 

Too true, too true..
As much as I enjoy reading your detailed replies Ziddy, this is kinda annoying

 

i need to correct some regarding the clevo d900f. the 2 fan are used to cool the gpu IF you are in sli mode.so each each gpu are only using 1 fan to cool them off.

the same applied for the the clevo 8850.

 

i only can agree with you. The only thing left to say is IMO that hes trying all the time to force people to think like he do. If theres someone who got another opinion he will attack you until you give it up or take his opinion as yours. For him theres only ONE TRUTH and thats his own one. And if someone else got another one, than this person is what? Let's see about that:

Oh, and here is a nice example how hes trying to force others to think like him (inclusive the defamation of others if they still keep their own opinion):

And thats only from one single post. In my opinion a civil conversation with this guy isnt possible.

 

No, but you are the only one stating it.

 

Asus G73JW-TY012V i7-720QM/8192/1000/BRCombo/7HP64 - Notebook / Laptop 17,3" - Sklep komputerowy - X-KOM.PL

only added usb3 and changed the graphics card to 460m, everything else seem to be the same

 

Well if they updated for now,means that future modifications might happen I guess.

 

any official dates when they will be out?

is it out in china? then i can get it within a week just want to see performance of gtx 460m

 

There's something brewing for the 3rd of September it seems. Announcements are very likely I assume. The gtx 460m is getting announced so it'll be only a matter of time before asus do their announcement, seeing as asus was waiting on nvidia.

 

At least they split the touchpad buttons. That's a physical improvement.

But that page lists 1600x900 as the res....mistake?

 

meh I wouldn't trust any specs given unless it's given from gentech, xoticpc, or another reliable source or even asus itself. It lists a 720qm and I'm fairly certain that it'll be branded with a intel i7 740qm inside sticker.

 

Not exactly everything else is the same, the JW will have HDMI 1.4 and dual button touchpad instead of one.

 

looks like it's available for pre-order through xoticpc

ASUS G53JW-A1 - XOTIC PC - ROG Gaming Laptop

specs are very impressive and the price is just right; i might pull the trigger on this instead of the Sager NP8690...

 

not to mention the new g73 has the wimi, wireless hdmi

 

maybe the MSI gx660r

 

That's a dang good price. I wonder if there's going to be a $1k Best Buy version.

Is that a dual button touchpad?