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    Overclocking

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by ReaperWolf, May 7, 2011.

  1. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    Would anyone know how to overclock my Asus G72SW-XR1 with the i7 - 2630QM @ 2.0 and up to 2.9 turbo boost.

    Edit; I know how to use turbo boost, my question is, is there a way to OC without turbo boost.
     
  2. ALLurGroceries

    ALLurGroceries  Vegan Vermin Super Moderator

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    The 2630QM has a locked multiplier. You can't overclock sandy bridge CPUs the same way because the PLL is on the CPU package itself. Therefore you can't use SetFSB. If you do a web search for sandy bridge overclocking you will find more specific details...
     
  3. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    Yeah, but if you use throttlestop, you can overclock it.. Throttle stop isnt exactly as trustworthy as id like though, so i was just seeing if there were more programs specifically for the i7's that would be alot more stable
     
  4. forever

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    I haven't found any way to overclock mobile sandy bridge CPU.
     
  5. ahl395

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    Wow that sucks... i was planning on OC'ing lol :rolleyes:
     
  6. DCx

    DCx Banned!

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    Should have done some research before buying... or buy a different model :)
     
  7. ahl395

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    i didnt buy yet, and im still gonna get it, but just a downer on it :p Not that it should need the OC anyway... but still fun to do it just for the hell of it :rolleyes:

    So what about the Asus overclocking button? i guess that only OC's the GPU now?
     
  8. DCx

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    Even without the OC it's a huge boost from the 1st gen I series.
     
  9. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    chyt.. imma upgrade to a i7 2820 QM :-D
     
  10. frosty5689

    frosty5689 Notebook Evangelist

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    Why do you want to overclock it? It is fast enough already. Also, the HM67 chipset won't let you change multipliers even if you buy an Extreme Edition i7 Sandybridge CPU
     
  11. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    Well its a good thing i have a HM65 chipset then eh?
     
  12. BumbleBoner

    BumbleBoner Notebook Evangelist

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    Which still doesn't allow overclocking. There really isn't any need to overclock the SB cpus. They are PLENTY fast as they are.
     
  13. ahl395

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    but... the need for overkill.... D: :p :rolleyes:
     
  14. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    exactly... lol im just going to get the i7 2820QM @ 2.3 ghz and up to 3.4 w/turbo.. only 600$, then sell my 2630QM for a couple hundred to knock that 600$ down a bit.
     
  15. DCx

    DCx Banned!

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    I wish I had your lack-of-lack-of-money. But good on ya, I suppose.
     
  16. PC Solutions

    PC Solutions Notebook Consultant

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    So what about the i7 720WM HM55 CPU's?
     
  17. BumbleBoner

    BumbleBoner Notebook Evangelist

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    SetFSB works well.
     
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    Chastity Company Representative

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    I could do with the extra CPU muscle. Honest to God. :(
     
  20. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    How would one go about fixing the bottle neck issue do you know, Chastity?
     
  21. Chastity

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    You'd need a better GPU on the SW.
     
  22. ahl395

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    You can OC the 460M in it ;)

    The "factory-ish" overclock that XoticPC offers with their G73, puts the 460M almost at 480M performance levels.

    And they guarantee that overclock under warranty. so its probably pretty stable and safe ;) and of course nothings stopping you from pushing it higher.

    (Overclock is 20%, to Core: 810 / Memory: 630 / Shader: 1620) if your interested.
     
  23. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    my stock clocks for the 460m GTX is

    graphics clock ; 675
    memory clock ; 1250
    processor clock ; 1350
     
  24. Chastity

    Chastity Company Representative

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    Overclocking the 460M doesn't help much... still only P2103 with OC on GPU and CPU compared to P2085 on stock settings.
     
  25. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    On that luxrender I got a 2571
     
  26. ahl395

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    In real world performance the overclock puts it closer to the 480M, and usually better than the 5870M or on par with it, and actually better than the 480M in some occasions.

    Take a look at these two pages of a review of the G73 done with the 20% overclock to the 460M.
    Usually comes inbetween 480M and 5870M or on par with 5870M
    Very Close to 480M and Over it.
     
  27. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    I saw someone in this forum post that you could get up to around 16000 with a OC on the gtx 460M in 3dmark06 and i just overclocked mine and got 14043 3DMarks
     
  28. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    Ok, then which benchmark should I use since everyone uses 3dmark. Since you're the smartest person in history, or so you're trying to act like it.. Which one isn't useless.. And have you personally tested those three video cards and ran benchmarks on them and personally recorded the data for all three?... You haven't?... Didn't think so.. So don't go dogging someone else's post just because you THINK!!!! you know it all.

    Edit; Don't dog someone else just because they go by what they read on another site.. That's why we are all here.. To inform, and be informed.. If we're wrong then someone will educate us.. But not by being a about it.
     
  29. ahl395

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    They could be using higher clocks. And/or different CPU.

    Source? Proof? They're a pretty well known review site to everyone else.

    Of course its not. You can clearly look at that review and see that. i said that it makes the 460M closer to the 480M. And in one or two situations, it actually beat it. (but oh wait nevermind, "Tom" just made up those scores. :rolleyes: )

    While no benchmarks can accurately describe real world performance, its certainly not useless.

    Although i would also say test in 3DMark Vantage, and 3DMark11 as well.

    +1, thank you :rolleyes:



    Regardless, I should be getting my G73 in two weeks or so. I will be doing an extensive review on it, and I'll see how the overclocking performs (and versus stock). It will be posted here on NBR. ;)
     
  30. dkillone

    dkillone Notebook Evangelist

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    @ReaperWolf

    Pic below is a 16,239 in 3DMark06. Clocks are 850/700/1700.


    [​IMG]


    And here is a 3dmark11 score from a OC of 800/675/1600. I got P2093,

    [​IMG]
     
  31. unclewebb

    unclewebb ThrottleStop Author

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    The bad news is that most Sandy Bridge CPUs are locked by Intel at the hardware level so there won't ever be any software available that can overclock them any meaningful amount. The maximum turbo TDP/TDC power values are also locked.

    What do you mean ThrottleStop isn't "trustworthy"? If you download it from the link in my sig then it should be very trustworthy.

    And what do you mean by, "a lot more stable"? I haven't heard of a single complaint about ThrottleStop not being stable. If you use ThrottleStop to overclock an Extreme processor to the moon and your computer is no longer stable, that's not ThrottleStop's fault. That's user error. :D
     
  32. ahl395

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    Ironically, look at what dkillone just posted.

    16,239 in 3DMark06.

    Take a look at Notebookcheck's page for the 480M

    3DMark06 Scores...
    Min: 13,273
    AVERAGE: 15,393
    Max: 18731


    Now unless Notebookcheck is another one that is a conspiracy, pulling scores out of their rear, that supports that an OC'd 460M is close to a 480M

    I repeat... CLOSE. not a replacement.

    When i do my review i will be doing real world tests and not just 3DMark. Maybe that will prove it to you :rolleyes:
     
  33. @tilla

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    IMO you can't compare a SandyBridge vs. i7 1.gen result in 3DM06.
    It's also more a friend of the green ones. :)
    Or compare the GPU points in Vantage or 3DM11.

    FYI:
    If I remember correctly, then my JH scored at almost 2500 in 3DM11 (overclocked 825/1100)
    Stock, IMHO 2150.
     
  34. dkillone

    dkillone Notebook Evangelist

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    Just want to say thanks for creating Throttlestop, it has created a tempory fix for the throttling issue HP 17 Envy and G73SW has.

    I have a question for ya though, you can reply in a PM if you like.

    For some reason, when running furmark and Prime95, CPU drops to 798mhz and stays there no matter what, temps are good, when just running prime95 max cpu temp I get is 81c, and ofc when it downclocks to 798mhz temps drop down to low 50s.


    However, I found that just running throttlestop as monitor only, my CPU stays at 2200mhz thru 2400mhz consistently even with furmark running. So is there anything throttestop does when its starting up? I can close out throttlestop, and monitor cpu clocks in CPUz or any other program and it never once drops to 798mhz.

    But as soon as I reboot, it does the downclocking again until I start up throttlestop. Also to mention, I havent touched any settings within the program, nor do I even hit the "Turn On" button.


    So if you have any explanations that would be great. For me, even with Furmark and Prime95 running at the same time(after running TS to stop the downclocking) my CPU temps never go over 81c, and GPU never over 81c as well.

    So it would be great to maybe implement something into a driver, or a bios update so we wouldnt need to even start up TS to stop it from throttling.

    Thanks in advance, ur program is certainly been safe for me. :>
     
  35. BumbleBoner

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    Its been pretty apparent for a while now that 3DMark06 has been phased out as a benchmark standard, and only Vantage/Mark11 scores are ~relevant~.

    And in my experience, Tom's Hardware tends to makes sweeping statements in some of their articles, but you should use several points of reference and not just one review site to make informed decisions.

    lol seconded.
     
  36. ahl395

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    Of course an OC'd 480M will beat an OC'd 460M. I was comparing an OC'd 460M to a stock 480M.

    Someone mentioned that you would need a better GPU in the G73 to make it not be a bottleneck of the CPU. The next card up would be the 480M. Since that is not available in the laptop, I replied to that saying overclocking the 460M will lessen the bottleneck. Which is 100% True. It wont make it as powerful as a stock or OC'd 480M. but it will put it near a stock 480M. is all that i claimed buddy :rolleyes:

    I wont defend TH, that could be very correct. But i wouldn't think they would fake benchmark results. Regardless, when i get the laptop, i will run my own tests on it, stock and overclocked. and see how it compares. Watch for that post ;)
     
  37. ReaperWolf

    ReaperWolf Notebook Consultant

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    wow dude... how did you get 16thousand.. I only got 14...-.-

    edit; I did notice that it says your cpu is 2.0 @ 2000.. when mine says its 2.0 @ 1994 i believe...
     
  38. ahl395

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    The difference is negligible. :p
     
  39. Yiddo

    Yiddo Believe, Achieve, Receive

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    The reason why 3DMark06 is not a good enough benchmark anymore because you get near 3000 more points than me with it but I manage to get 400+ more than you with 3DMark11 even with your very high physics score coming from your Sandy.

    Best bet is to use 3DMark Vantage to get a good solid result as thats in between and used Directx10 features.

    In regards to the comments about overclocking not being near to reaching better models of course not because the better model can also overclock as well meaning it would reach the next model up and so on and so on... Overclocking is still very much worthwhile if its the difference between medium - high settings with the same frames or 6 months more future proofing its vital for me.
     
  40. WarWyrm001

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    @dkillone
    That's a pretty righteous overclock, I must say!

    @laptopfan88
    You got alot of fire in you. Why don't you use it to help people on this forum instead of snapping at them whenever you disagree. You can counter poeple's arguments in a calm and rational way.

    See all those rep points and green lights underneath [>>ahl395<<]'s avatar? He got those by being helpful and informative to members of this forum-think about it.

    EDIT: I think that most people on this forum realize by now that 3dmark06 is outdated and unbalenced but they continue to use it because it's free and Vantage was not except for a trial run. Now that 3dmark11 is out it will probably start to fade away.
     
  41. Chastity

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    I only bother with Vantage/11 because I'm required to for Asus. It has already been shown by 3rd party overclock sites and other tech forums that both AMD and NVIDIA will optimize their drivers to improve the various benchmarks. This is why in MY reviews I include actual game FPS counts plus overclock potential. I think people are more concerned how well their games will perform as opposed to their synthetic benchmark scores.

    For example: in 3DMark11, the 5870M beats the 460m by about 400 pts. In the game benches, they score about the same.
     
  42. ReaperWolf

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    Well... even though you guys tell me the 3dmark06 benchmarks are outdated.. im simply comparing them to other benchmarks by others and mine seems to be seriously lacking. One guy's stock clocks are getting in the 15000's and mine needs to be OC'ed to reach that.. his stock clocks were 675/625/1350 and mine are 675/1250/1350. His lower stock clocks are getting scores as high if not higher than my over clocked scores.
     
  43. dkillone

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    Actually, just to add to that to not cause any confusion, the 15k score is when I am OCed at 800/675/1600. As you can see in this picture. I think reaper got a bit confused. Also to note, that when talking about my memory clocks, I'm not talking about the double rate so that is why it seems lower.

    [​IMG]

    Main reason I like to test in 06 still as I am just most comfortable with understanding the scores, however, I do have screenshots from all 3, and yup, chastity is correct, main thing to be worried about is in game FPS, though benchmarks are still a nice way to quickly get a comparison between computers.
     
  44. ReaperWolf

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    Alright.. I gotcha... I gotcha.. I just downloaded Techpowerup gpu-z and I see what youre saying now.. Boy was i confused.. Well then dKillone let me help you this time.. lol since i got a 15798 when i OC'ed it and set the 3d application settings for performance.. It was at 15500 now its 15700.. so that might boost it.. im going to do your oc and see what happens...

    on the 3dmark vantage i scored P10091 3DMarks