Repaste with Tuniq TX-4 Result is Better Than ICD...

If I resize the Furmark to the same size as yours. HOW DO YOU EXPLAIN THAT YOUR MAX FPS IS 20 AND MINE IS 72?
- To get the same results as yourself, I had to manually downclock to 250/800 in 3D mode, even then I was getting 24 FPS.
- BTW my temp was 61C



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Your results are all fubar.

Like I said, your results are hiding something, just admit it.

 

how the hell i know that it was true i was on battery yesterday...and in my other destop gadgets its showing 99% only in the HWinfo its showing 60.8% and btw if its 60.8% load and still getting the same FPS with 99% load that means HWinfo has a bug or someting..

Because i Just re apply (perfectly) to my GPU NOT MY CPU..

I USE XTREME BURING MODE..

 

delete me please

 

TRY TO USE XTREME BURING MODE..!!!ON STANDARD CLOCK 700/1000

and u will get almost the same result as me..

 

Nope, doesn't make sense still. Your CPU temps are the same as mine and everyone else's but your GPU temps is 10C lower. And your HDD and Chipset are 5 and 8C cooler. Your results makes no sense.



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ive told u right i just repasted my cpu twice once with the ICD7 and then clean it and used the tx-4 since then i never repasted my CPU not like what i did for 3 times to my GPU to get the lowest temps..

and btw did u tried Xtreme Burning Mode..??on 700/1000 what fps did u get..?almost same like mine rite..?

 

All right....I'm gonna end this here and now....

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It appears HWMonitor and FURMARK are recording the WRONG TEMPURATURE. I'm using BURNING MODE. This is just getting stupid. I would run the test longer but my temps max out after 5 minutes...so this is close enough.

 

No you are not lucky. TX-4 is not amazing. You never once mentioned your ambient temps and just through out there claiming ICD7 is 10C lower.

So yes it took almost 5 pages of back and forth until you finally admitted you were not truthful about your results and hiding the fact you live in an igloo. But I still think your ambient temps are lower than 20C/68F.

@Sabre-Shin, for some reason the highest temp for Furmark, AMD GPU Tool and HWMonitor for me are the same. But you are right, I took this way too far, when it was obvious from beginning there was something else going on with keph's results. Anyways, apologies and I'll probably delete some of my posts and just leave the relevant ones.

 

See my above post^^^^

 

i did stated on the first page that my ambient temps is 23c ish..lower than 20..?wow am i living in a fridge now..??yes lower than 20c if my window is open and at NIGHT(temps here cud reach 8c at night)

 

....One last try...then I give up, I'll let you two bicker. LOOK HERE! THE SOFTWARE IS MONITORING THE WRONG TEMP! This glitch just recently started happening to me within the last few days. USED AS5

 

well ill just give up..im tired of ziddy trying to think that im lying or what ever...i wasted my whole morning just for this.

the fact is that yes my ambient temps are now low 22c (according to my digital thermometer in my room)..and NO i didnt photo shop/edit my images..

thx..i hope there will be no more of this...

@ ziddy if u think im lying so be it.k..i dont want to quarrel about this anymore..about u not believing me..no probzz..thx

Peace..

 

This has been fun to read. What I've taken from it all is this, I'll just buy whatever is cheaper after shipping. I hope I have as great a reduction in temps when I repaste as others have had on here.

 

i still vote for icd7

 

Since the results with icd7 are widely successful and reported on this forum, I'll be more likely to get it, especially if the price difference is negligible. Your vote counts!

 

Considering there is absolutely no evidence to even suggest TX-4 is better than OCZ Freeze, ICD7 or LiquidPro, I would not be running out to buy TX-4. No reviews, no user results.

Even Tuniq claims it's only about 1C better than TX-3 which is not as good as ICD 7. There you have it.

 

80-way Thermal Interface Material Performance Test | Thermal Interface Material,Thermal Paste,Heatsink Compound,80-Way Thermal Interface Material Best Thermal Paste Heatsink Compound Cooling Performance Comparison Benchmark Tests

you can see there that the tx-3 beats all of what u said...what more to say..?come on ziddy just let this go will u.?
thx

 

The debate between which thermal paste is better is ridiculous.

The difference between the top of the line thermal paste and a midrange one is about 3 or 4 degrees celsius AT MOST. Even less between the high end ones.

Anything more than a few degrees is attributed to proper seating and spreading of the TIM, air flow, and ambient environment.

My take is use whatever is the best value and the easiest to apply. From my experience of using tons of different TIMs, I'd happily use a lower spec'ed TIM that's easier to spread and apply than a higher rated one that's difficult to apply.

In the end, proper application will probably do more for you than buying the top of the line TIM.

 

I've reviewed that benchmark many times. It is a great resource. It clearly shows that the difference between tx-3 and a dozen other products is a degree or less. I'm sorry Keph, but if the same GPU yields a 10C difference with two different, high quality thermal compounds, one of the TIMs was applied incorrectly. TX-4 may or may not be great paste, but it's not 10 degrees ahead of it's competition sitting under the same heat sink on the same GPU. It's just aluminum oxide. Lots of pastes use aluminum oxide.

I work at a plant that makes aluminum oxide as a controls programmer. Aluminum oxide has wonderful thermal properties. It is also extremely explosive (not TX-4 but a drum full of aluminum oxide is not something that one smokes around... you wouldn't even want to answer your cell phone around it cuz if you drop it and it sparks you are a pile of ash and a greasy spot.) I wish it was 10C cooler because it would be great for business! It is not, however.

Edit: Factoid of the day: Aluminum powder is the primary component of the fuel in the solid rocket boosters of the space shuttle. It is also the explosive ingredient used in the largest non-nuclear weapon available to the military. Put that on your GPU and smoke it!

 

Just stumbled upon this thread.

Where does one even buy TX-4, OCZ Freeze, or ICD7? Newegg only has the other TXs, and Frys has none.

TYIA

 

You can buy OCZ Freeze and ICD7 at FrozenCPU. Forget the TX-3/TX-4, it's only used by fanboys and possibly Tuniq employees and their shills.

Keph found one review where the people were too inept to apply TIM. The morons even have it stated you have to to wait 10 minutes for ICD7 to evaporate. Innovation Cooling haven't used alcohol in their TIM in YEARS, they removed that long time ago. Wouldn't be surprised if they used Tuniq's moronic spreader to spread ICD7.

Not only that, the moron applied the TIM to the heatsink... When any monkey knows you put it on IHS/Core... Unbelievable it's no wonder some TIM results were poor.

The review gave LiquidPro a rating of B+. No doubt the moron applied it wrong like he did with the rest of the TIM. LiquidPro is very time consuming as you place very very little on the core. Then you use cuetip and slowly spread it evenly across the entire surface. Then you apply very very little on the heatsink and do the same process. The idea is that LiquidPro will bond the heatsink to the core. As said, this reviewer is a moron.
- TX-3 and AS5 is better than LiquidPro by about 2C? Yeah in your dreams, what a disaster of a review.

Also who does a review giving average temps? You give a before and after with low and load temps. This review is just plain dumb.

 

Someone has tried ICD24?

I think that I will put ac mx-3 in my g73, it´s the best that I used in all my desktop computers. No cure time, no conductive, better viscosity, etc etc

 

ICD7 and ICD 24 are the same. ICD7 is enough for 5 applications. ICD24 is like enough for a lot more, not sure how many as I didn't buy it.
- Aside from Liquid Metal, diamonds currentl have the best heat transference of any TIM materials. Aluminum is no where close,

ICD7 is non-conductive, it's silicone and diamonds. There is a little cure time, only because ICD7 you allow the pressure from the heatsink and the heat to spread it evenly without any air bubbles. About 2 hours is all, and that's just gaming. No special process needed.

ICD7 likely has one of the best durability of the TIM, meaning you only have to apply it once. You don't need to do it again until you get your next laptop likely.

Good luck with your choices.
- If you use ICD7, more is better. It's not the same as other TIM, placing too much doesn't really happen. Because you put the TIM in the center and let the heat/pressure spread it, too little is where you get screwed. This is from Innovation Cooling themselves, put more on the safe side than too little. I put about a bead size of 1/4 of the GPU on mine and worked out great. Yes I decided to use the ICD7 that has been sitting on my desk for months . My temps are very similar to Chastity's but about 1-2C better than OCZ Freeze, but application may be a factor, not sure.
- If ICD7 spreads out beyond the core, no problem, it won't degrade or ruin the GPU at all. That's why too little is a bigger issue than too much.

But if you already have MX-3 and have great results, I don't see a reason to switch. MX-3, ICD7 whatever should all be around the same within 1C of each other, if applied correctly.

 

with mx-3 there aren´t no need to repaste and icd-7 erases the marks and degrades the CPU surface in some desktop gpu because it is so abrasive...

 

No that is a myth. First you only apply ICD7 once. And people who have done multiple applications have said, no it's not so abrasive that it degrades, no damage done. That should not be a reason for not buying.
- MX-3 is a carbon micro particles. It's non-metallic. Guess what else is carbon micro particles? Diamond powder.

If you want to use MX-3, it's a great choice. But wouldn't make a comment like ICD7 degrades CPU surface. When applying, don't twist your heatsink on it crazy like some morons probably did. ICD7 once on the CPU is static, so it won't be scartching your CPU over long period of time. The people who had issues, as I said were probably the morons who were twisting the heatsink on the CPU when applying it.
- The affect is no worse than aluminum oxide based, which btw is also abrasive, even your MX-3. Even toothpaste is abrasive...
- Aluminum Oxide is almost as hard as diamonds.

Want to know what Aluminum Oxide these TIM use? It's called Corundum which is a crystallized form of Aluminum Oxide and have a slight transparent appearance to them. Red ones are used in jewelry as Rubys.
- Ruby along with Sapphire and Diamonds are the hardest minerals.

On a scale of 10 for hardness. Diamond is 9.5. Corondum is a 9.

So if you are going to complain about ICD7 being abrasive, then you should throw out just about every TIM that is used out there except for ceramic.

 

I never used ICD7... I´m only finding infromation to see if it is a good choise or i should continue using mx-3...




And some comments around the web:

 

Also that giant pic, that's not etching. To me that looks like discoloration, not an etching.

Aluminum Oxide is just as abrasive as ICD7 is. If you want to believe what someone "may" have been doing to their CPU, go ahead. But that's like saying, OMG this heatsink is bad, it crushed my CPU when the moron slammed the heatsink on it.

Seems I can't convince you considering your MX-3 uses carbon micro particles, which is a good way to say diamonds. Seems I'm talking to deaf ears. For others who are able to listen, Aluminum Oxide is Corondum which is a good way to say synthetic rubies which are about as hard as Diamonds also.

Go with the facts, not with the stories.

 

I haven´t found any similar comments about the mx-3... I've been using mx-2 and mx-3 for quite some time and they works fine for me... I´m only finding info to see if ICD7 it is a good choice But it seems that it is not. Some ppl report problems about ICD and nothing about mx-3... then I will continue using mx3. I am not trying to convince anyone ^_^

 

... I am not trying to convince anyone and I am not trying to justify MX-3... But They have same performance (In some benchs icd7 wins and in another benchs mx-3 wins) I do not mind a difference of 0,5 or 1 degree, but I can´t find comments which say that mx-3 has problems with IHS markings erase... And there are A LOT of commets saying this about ICD7... They can be all wrong and you can have the absolute truth, but why I'm going to risk? by 1 degree? no thanks ^^ If there is a difference of 5 degrees I would try the ICD7...but not worth

 

Lets get back on topic
I have deleted a few posts





Alex

 

Whatever the reason for my temps and everything is all TRUE and done TRUTHFULLY..its just they way to say and express sometimes makes me feel that im a BIG LIAR in this forum..which im 100% not..all my temps and benches are done without cheating or EDITING like you said..you can ask any fotoshopper about my pics any editing being done??

so whatever you say about my temps or what SO BE IT..67c IS MY TEMP WHETHER IS THE TIM OR MY AMBIENT TEMPERATURES MY TEMPS ARE 67C ! THATS IT..!!!NO MORE MOKING OR DISSING OR CALLING ME A LIAR ANYMORE ACCEPT IT OR NOT..67C IS 67C

THX

 

Can you see this temps with gpu-z?

 

just go with Indigo Extreme Engineered Interface. It's guaranteed to drop 5 degrees.

And congrats on your temps keph, With my stock paste I am running arouind 89 degrees, so you are doing awesome

 

This is my response and how I would present my information if I'm going to claim that TX-4 is better than ICD7.

First state the ambient temperature I'm in, exactly. Not saying sometimes outside is 8C or 20-24C in my room. I would put exactly what temperature it is, the room where I did my testing.

Next I would explain how I applied the ICD7 and the TX-4.

Next I would explain how I did the test. Idle would be easy but considering we have different vBios etc, I would be clear in my situation to say Idle is 300/1000. Load temps would be from 10 minutes of Furmark, extreme or not doesn't matter, just keeping the settings the same for consistency.

Then I would state the Idle Temp and Load Temps for both.

That to me would be truthful to those who are interested. 67C is not just 67C. 67C is a reflection of the conditions you did the test.

I have not done this myself as I have not made any specific claim to say that OCZ Freeze Extreme or ICD7 is "better." My claims are that if you use ICD7, MX-3, OCZ Extreme you should have about 1C of difference with proper application.

 

yes i can and it reads the same..with every temperature reading software is all the same thx...(sorry i just put hwinfo n hwmonitor in the print screen)

 

thx rshaw..if im not mistaken my stock was about the same as urs..maybe lower or higher cant remember..hehehe

 

well seems like u know better rite..??then go do it for urself..i dont want to do any more test since im happy with my temps..so ill just stick with my 67c...dosent matter in what ambient im in like i said 67c is 67c...and pls i dont want to quarrel with you about this anymore..thx..

EDIT. im afraid to do more test because to u everthing i do is all lies..am i rite??

 

Lets just say that your temps will continue to raise suspicion since they have yet to be done in a organized, logged, manner that helps relieve the thoughts of cheating to look like im OMG1337! on the interweb. (yes cheating is done in benchmark test).

Your full burn temps are close to some people's idle temps which make it so suspicious.

If you are happy and enjoy your new found coolness, then by all means enjoy them and quit worrying about what others here say about them.

If you want to do another test that doesn't lack enjoyment. Play a game like Starcraft 2, Crysis, or other GPU heavy game that you can enjoy while logging the temp with either GPU-Z or HWinfo/HW Monitor. Those should give you a good low/current or average/high log and then if you feel like reporting them back to us. It would be all up to you.

 

sure will do..but these few days i cant be online cuz i have to go to hongkong from beijing..be back at the 8oct after then im gonna install crysis and so on and will post it back here..(sorry i just reformatted my laptop due to windows 7 fa*e edition heheh)

 

Understandable. First thing out of the box is a Wipe and Install of W7 Ultimate for me.

Don't have Steam access? Best thing to have to get games while on the go.

 

hahaha..same here emm nope sorry and im not gonna bring my beast along with me hahah 4kg behind my back its just a pain in the hehehe..will update you soon...