So i have read good and bad things about the G73, and to be fair I read bad things about every Laptop, Computer, TV etc and so on. But some comments in a previous thread would lead some to beleive that current G73 owners would, if they had the chance, buy another brand.
So, before I spend my hard earned cash next week I wanted to get an idea of how many people we are talking about.
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1. I don't see a poll
2. I won't change it with any other laptop since it's the best you can get atm -
Woah there Big boy!!!, give me chance to post the poll question
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umm there's no poll in the thread...
and no i would get it and love it all over again....
Edit: umm ok sry, saw that u put up the poll.. -
Thanks for voting.
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This has been discussed so many times already... but i voted if it will help you.
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I would buy again if they fixed all issues...
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Of course I would buy it again. It's the best notebook for the price in the entire universe.
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Nope. I'd buy a MSI GX 660. For my next notebook in a few years, that's where I'm leaning right now.
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List of alternatives id recommend over the G73JH:
MSI: GX660, GX740
Clevo: W860CU, W870CU, W880CU, X7200, X8100, D900F
Theres also Alienware M15x and M17x but i dont recommend those so much... The loudest, heavyest notebooks youll find with a heavy price to match. But if i had a choice between G73JH and a M15x/M17x id still go with the AW camp now that ive had both the M17 and G73JH.
Take a look and see which fits your needs and price range the most.
If youve looked at all the problems people are having with the G73JH i think you should come to the most rational conclusion that such a gamble is not worth wasting so much money on. -
yea, this laptop is just to nice to pass up.
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My G73 has been nothing but wonderful to me, I'd buy again definitely.
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I don't regret buying the G73. As others have said it is an amazing machine.
It is the only gaming machine that has everything I want. High performance, quiet, and a very sleek appearance with matte finish.
- Alienware looks like a gaming machine for 12 year olds. Not interested.
- MSI latest 660 toned it down when you turn off the LEDs,
- Clevo are just plain ugliest notebooks ever made. I can't think of any notebook that looks more bulky, obscene and just plain ugly. Also the fans are atrocious, don't care how cool it is.
But... if I had waited a bit, I think I'd get the MSI for now. If Gary can get the vBios fixed with OverDrive and PowerPlay, then the tables turn. Then the G73 is the ultimate 17" gaming machine.
If Gary fixes the vBios, personally for what I look for in a gaming machine, I'd say the G73 is the very best gaming machine ever made, without question. -
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The fact is no other manufacturer has such horrible GSOD or missing keystrokes issues now, so until and IF they are fixed id stay far away from this notebook and what ive dug up on Asus history i dont consider this company one of the good ones and i dont intend to give them any more of my business. -
Go buy another Clevo or something.
I voted yes, but if the vBios gets taken care of soon, I'll reconsider. But I honestly think right now I could have gotten a better screen and less hassle out of a sub $1000 machine, which is REALLY pathetic. -
I agree with other posters as well what we are missing to be die-hard fans:
- quick updates / corrections / drivers
- a clearer / better website to find those updates (this is less important but plays a role)
Honestly, after I worked out the quirks (and I had some) it has been playing great on stock drivers. But I don't yet play a game that needs updated drivers... if I did, I'd be pissed.
I put "undecided" until we see how Gary's efforts end. I have been reading boards in another languages and the G73 are the same world wide. If problems aren't repaired, I'd start wishing I would have bought the latest MSI with HD screen. -
So I highly doubt you could have gotten a better screen. -
Yes I will still buy G73.
But will be happier if they fix their problems (our problems). -
I would have sold it already if it were so simple to do it without a too big loss.
And on the screen debate, i also prefer the Matte screens (yes like the one i had in my Clevo) since these Glossy ones reflect way too much as soon as a light is turned on or the sun is shining on it, so i wouldnt say this one is the best in the price range. -
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My 2 year old Acer Aspire 6920 had a Samsung screen that was miles ahead of this. The pixel shift is totally unacceptable and I have a bright dot almost an inch from the top of the screen and 2-3 inches from the right. I took it to Best Buy and the guy said it probably isn't covered under warranty, but they would send it in anyways and it would take a few weeks. That's ridiculous. -
Would somebody be able to explain who Gary is and what he does? I hear his name cropping up a lot -
edit - also, I never said I never complained to them about the issues I have. your experience with it is different then mine. I'm happy with it atm, and an update would make it even more perfect. Just because you had bad luck with it doesn't mean others have. Overall, I'd give this thing a 8.5/10, with a vbios update fix, 10/10 -
u'll get my answer in 6th septembers week when i get mine..
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The viewing angles are above average, but not the best. But for color and contrast it's superb. And for gaming that's what really matters -
well, my g73jh works flawlessly, no gsod or overheating issues so far, so im very satisfied with that. basically when buying it i took a huge gamble and got lucky. but to be honest, if i hadnt bought it yet and had the information from this forum available, i wouldnt buy it. too much risk.
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Yes I would buy it again.
My laptop doesn't have issues. I have had a GSOD only one time so my only issue with the laptop is the relatively high temps.
My previous laptop, a P-6831FX, had GPU temps in the 50s at idle, 60s or low 70s during gaming.
I've been procrastinating on the whole disassembly and repaste thing. Once I get around to it this laptop will be great. The temp isn't even an issue really but my inner geek wanting to tinker with the thing.
I would like to point out some of the great features of this machine.
1. the laptop exterior remains absolutely cool even on the bottom
2. It has four ram slots instead of 2 so you can put in more ram than any other laptop that I've seen
3. It has a robust cooling system yet it stays very quiet except when the fans go to 100 percent
4. It's the cheapest laptop that I've ever seen that had the fastest GPU on the market when it debuted back in FEB '10
EDIT: These unusual features set it apart from most other gaming laptops. They're features that other brands should seriously take notice of and incorporate into their future models. -
Shaddy, good poll, I have changed my mind over time about mine, now I wish I got a Sager.
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The main problem is IF THE vBIOS WILL BE FIXED. And you should consider what we have now - a still non-functional vBios. The w90 (which was also their best selling flagship model at the time with crossfire 4870) got a new vBios which did NOT FIX THEIR PROBLEMS and they were just left stuck with the stock drivers, so considering that i woulnt be so certain it will be fixed for sure as many claim.
2. Its not the only laptop with four slots and who the heck needs more than 8GB of ram except for real serious work for which G73JH is a poor choice - than if you need a mobile workstation the D900F is much more appropriate with the desktop i7-980x, tripple chanel ram up to 12GB, a choice between gtx 285m, 480m or a professional quadro, matte 1920x1200 screen for more room and three hard drives with hardware raid all packed into a slightly smaller and slightly thicker laptop than the G73JH.
3. The cooling system could hardly be called robust since the heatsinks and heatpipes are puny compared to the others, but it does a good job at keeping quiet.
4. Its the cheapest but you get what you pay for. A laptop with lesser hardware, build quality and a high probability of it coming riddled with problems even multiple RMAs wont fix - now thats what really sets it apart from other laptops, and there are problems that have been "incorporated" in model after model for 4 years already, good job Asus! (missing keystrokes if havent read about it yet) -
This thread has provided me with so much information so far, not just about the G73 but other alternatives. One of my worse traits is that I will generally get blinkered into buying something, I am trying hard not to do that this time (this is not to day the G73 is not for me) , some of you have unwittingly sent me down other paths.
I am UK based. which, in this instance gives me a few more choices than just the G73 if I can live with a longer delivery date.
My budget in UK money is £1500 or there abouts. This converts into $2400, which, having had a quick scan about could get me a little extra for my money. I could get a nice custom built G73 from power notebooks, or a Sager, any advice on what to go for if I choose to take this route would be appreciated.
I will be travelling a lot so I think the 18" Sager is not an option. The G73 in size and weight would be probably the max I would want to go.
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The G73JH is actually one of the largest in every dimension except the thickness if youve looked at the specs. And since you know how i feel about the G73JH im not going to make a configuration for it.
Heres how id configure the other laptops considering your budget and shipping+taxes (i equiped them with X25-M G2 80GB SSDs for the OS, but if you feel you dont need it, you can lower the price considerably - almost 200$ if you choose another 500GB 7200rpm HD instead, or if you dont need Blu-Ray you can also save another good 100$):
15.6”
17"
Those prices are without discount, so you can still probably get a decent discount on them if you talk to a salesperson on their chat.
Take a look at each of them, there are photos on XoticPC and full specs including size and weight and i hope you can find one that youll like.
Thats all i can offer you. Best of luck with your purchase, i hope you make a wise one. -
Thank you mate for putting in the time to do that. I have had a look and will continue to digest the options.
One thing I would like to know. Going back to the GSOD issue. What generally causes that to happen? Is it anything in particular? -
Its something in the vBios, although noone can tell you what since as it seams even Asus cant figure it out even though they have the completely working MSI and Clevos vBios to look at.
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@HellCry
Wow!
I'm not going to counter your arguments even though I could.
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Ok, So i have taken on everyone's advice and experience. I have read all day regards other brands and the problems they have.
Taking everything into consideration I am pretty much settled on the G73, probably from the States so I can get the thermal Paste done, RAM and Processor upgrade.
So. My next question. Which US dealer can get it with me by the 19th of September? Any suggestions? -
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Definitely would NOT purchase one again.
Pros:
*5870+i7 is a decent combination, can run games on par with a 2-year old desktop.
Cons:
*Hot as heck. Furmark overheated the machine in under 2 minutes out of the box. Even re-pasted, it's averaging 97*C.
*Flimsy construction. This thing feels like those old fisher price toy kitchens. (Spoiled by Macbook and toughbooks maybe?)
*BIOS lacks tons of options I'd like to have.
*Generally buggy. It randomly can't find my SSD drive, corruption issues, slow 4k reads/writes
*Massive. Finding a bag for this was a PITA.
*Screen sucks. My fault for getting the Best Buy version, I didn't want to wait.
All in all, I don't think I can recommend it to anyone. It's not a HORRIBLE machine *cough*emachines*cough*, but it's not a great one, either. -
If you guys haven't figured it out yet, some people's exaggeration on the perfection of Clevos almost matches their over exaggeration on the pathetic-ness that is Asus. Which is really sad because I am sure some people sold/replaced their Clevos and picked up the G73. -
If the question was would I buy a G73JH-"A1" then the answer would be a resounding yes. I have not had any problems with my machine other than high temps that still run within spec. To be fair, I have RMA'd it to take it to an ASP myself to have the GPU thermals repasted.
Now, if the question is would I buy another G73? Unless it's the A1 which is stacked with a Blu-Ray and the third best panel on the market, then No. As the price point for the amount of bells and whistles is hard to beat.
Keep in mind for as much as Hellcry rants and raves about VBios, he doesn't clarify that 99% of the time it happens only during extreme Furmark benching, and rarely in game. And there is a split opinion on Benchmarking software around here. Some, like Hellcry believe it is a great tool for testing your hardware. Others like myself, believe those programs are big hustles designed to stress and heat your machine to the point of failure or report back false numbers within range, but ALWAYS lower than someone else with the same config. Both are tactics to emotionally manipulate you into constantly upgrading your hardware, thus giving profit to the hardware company that just "happens" to bundle the same benchmarking software with your new upgrade so the process rinses and repeates again and hardware companies make their quarterly bottom line.
Whichever one is true, the one thing Hellcry and other detractors won't readily acknowledge is that the majority of these GSOD's come from Furmark.
And the hype and furor over those has clouded any judgement so that when a random GSOD occurs in game, people are so riled up on VBios that they don't stop to consider the myriad of all the other factors that could be causing a random GSOD, from sound driver conflicts to just straight up unoptimized game code rushed and released to make a publishing deadline.
So, I can't say I'd get another G73 if it was from Best Buy or didn't at least have the full 1080p panel. (Big thanks to Ziddy for mentioning that the Alienware RGB panel doesn't have as good of contrast or color as the Hannstar on the G73JH-A1/A2 as
that nixes my desire to try to move this and get into an M17x solely for a better panel.
I'm still looking at the HP you mentioned, but the threads on there seem to show that that machine has as many headaches as this one.
I, myself, truly love my G73, but I got it at the end of May early June, and it was put together in April. The majority of problems seem to be on older machines, though there are some with problems with machines made later as well.
I don't know Hellcry personally, and although I often disagree with him, it's not hard to see that his heart is in the right place.
And I can't say for sure as I may be misunderstanding, but he's said several times that for the price paid he expects it to work perfectly all the time. And that's a valid expectation. But IMHO that kind of expectation is already rooted in a negative fashion, as if expecting a problem. And in my experience, no matter the subject or situation, if one goes searching with the intent to find a problem - they always do. Whether it is truly a consequential one isn't an issue. There is a problem evident when the standard is perfection. Forget that it's impossible for any person or object to be completely perfect all the time, a problem has been found. Let the rage fly.
Yes, but you went looking for it didn't you? I haven't been looking for problems with my G73 as I bought a product replacement plan through the store I bought it from. And I haven't had any problems, I've been playing games.
If I win the lottery, I'm going to buy Hellcry the notebook of his choice, built exactly as he wants it, no matter the price and test my theory. Get him whatever he wants as he wants and then see if he can be completely happy with it for at least one year. Stay happy with the usual PC glitches that come to any gamer on either a desktop or notebook.
Sometimes the problem isn't the product, but our expectations of it, and more importantly, our perspective.
Still, unless it's an A1 or A2, I'd be looking hard at that MSI GX660 if you want to stay in the same price range.
Toshiba makes pretty high quality stuff. Too bad their cases on their gaming lineup are fugly and gaudy.
I know some people hate it, but I love the case design of the G73 and feel it's the most Pimp of any system.
If you have to stay under $1800, and it's an A1, then yes. $2000, I'd look hard at MSI, anything above I wouldn't be looking so much at brand as much as where can I get a crossfire or SLI solution with the best panel for the best price. A true desktop replacement.
If you buy an A1 or A2 with the panel you'll have no regrets. Otherwise I'd wait awhile as refreshes from all makers seems to be just around the corner.
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Nice post THX, that gives me something else to think off
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If the Nvidia 460m or 480m gives the same performance minus the issues as ATI's 5870m, I'd probably leans towards the G73JW over a G73JH model. Even an A1.
Personally, I am waiting to see what Nvidia comes to answer the 5870m with.
But the G73JW is just days away from release. You can definitely get that for $2400. An M17x configured at that price doesn't offer much, save maybe the panel. But Ziddy has stated with clear logic why it might not be as fancy of an upgrade as it seems from a G73 with a Hannstar panel (same panel used by Clevo's and Sager btw)
So if $2400 is the price cap, I'd wait for the G73JW, put that at the top of my list, also wait and see how the Nvidia mobile GPU's perform in general compared to the 5870m and then if the 5870m still seems like a better or equally competitive option, I'd look hard at the MSI GX660 - provided that the panel is a nice full HD one as Ziddy and Hellcry have said. I don't doubt their word, but there's complaints about the panel on the MSI forum, but maybe that's an older one?
So, if it was me I'd rank it:
1. G73JW (A1 or A2 equivalent)
2. MSI GX660
3. G73JH (A1 or A2 model)
4. Haggling on a custom built Clevo or Sager (though the problem with this option is you won't get nearly the same amount of features for that price. Clevo's may be better quality build's but that doesn't mean much if you're missing those same features that come standard on a G73 "A1" model. Although, you may know someone here or somewhere that has the connections to get you a Clevo or Sager with the same specs as a high end G73 for $2400. If that's the case, then I'd seriously consider that option. As if I understand things correctly, one can upgrade even a CPU or GPU on a Sager/Clevo.
But if I wasn't counting those contingencies, the G73JW would be at the top of my list and I'd wait 2 weeks or so until that debuts or see what the reviews say before I buy anything.
The G73JW is that close from being available. Sept. by all accounts around here.
Cheers!
EDIT: I have to change what I just said. Hellcry is on it. You can get a Sager NP88540 (he mentioned the Clevo it's based off of) with an I7 and 6gb of ram for right around $2400.
They just posted a review of one built at XoticPC and according to it, temps stayed in the 70's.
I'm not a fan of the case, but for the insides, that just moved to #1 on my list, bumping the G73JW to #2
But I'm so happy with my G73, I'm not going to move into anything bigger unless it's some kind of crossfire or SLI solution combined with the same quality panel as that HP with the "Dreamworks" panel all in one unit.
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I was looking at the GX660 but Ive been reading that the screen isn't very good..
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One of the problems here THX is I am starting to over analyse what i need. I wont be running benchmarks on the PC or doing most of the things that are causing the G73 to GSOD, so the issues people have experienced are less of a worry to me. I'd just RMA it anyway.
2 things that are a must are a good panel and illuminated keyboard. I do a lot of travelling for business, mostly night flights, and having keys I can see is a must. I don't want to wait any longer as my next trip if Sep 20th. I want to have something by then.
Perhaps i will call Xotic or Gentech or Powerlaptops when they wake up and see what the best deal i can get is.
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I called XoticPC and spoke to Justin. He was really helpful. Couple of things though.
1. They wont take a UK credit card. So that's pretty much a deal breaker. Especially as a Credit card purchase gives me, the consumer a lot of protection.
2. To be honest, if I put the upgrades on the Laptop I wanted, then add Duty, I might as well get it in the UK.
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I spoke to PowerNotebooks. This is what i am 99.9% sure on getting:
ASUS G73JH-A1 Gaming Laptop
Display: 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) LED backlit Widescreen LCD
ASUS 30 Day Zero Bright Dot Guarantee
GPU: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870 w/1GB GDDR5
Processor: Intel® Core i7-840QM (1.86~3.2GHz, 45W) w/8M Cache - 4 Cores, 8 Threads
Thermal Compound: IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
System Memory: 8GB (4 SODIMMS) DDR3/1333 Memory
Hard Drive: 500GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive
Second Hard Drive: 500GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive
Optical Drive (Blu-Ray - DVD - CD): 6x Blu-Ray Read/8x Super Multi Combo Drive
Memory Card Reader: Internal 8-in-1 Card Reader: MMC/SD/Mini-SD/XD/Memory Stick/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo
Wireless Networking: Built-in Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6200 Wireless Card
Bluetooth: Built-in Bluetooth Wireless 2.0+EDR
Battery: Smart Li-ion Battery 8-Cell
Operating System: Windows 7 Premium - 64-Bit Pre-installed w/Recovery Partition + Drivers & Utilities CD
ASUS Recovery DVD: ASUS OS Recovery DVD
AC Adapter: Full Range Auto Switching AC Adapter ASUS
Gaming Mouse: ASUS Gaming Mouse by Razer
Carrying Case: ASUS Gaming Backpack ASUS Warranty: Global Two Year Warranty + 1 Year ADP + 24/7 ASUS Support -
I don't think you'll have any issues with that config, though. And I think Ziddy mentioned that there's not much more than a %3-5 increase over the 5870m
But if USB 3.0 and HDMI wireless streaming are important, I'd see about an exchange if the JW comes out days after your purchase, or making sure you can get one by the 20th,
otherwise - GO FOR IT!! That is exactly what I have except I have the I7 720, and I love it. If PowerPC is putting it together and applying the thermal paste, then you ideally will be free of the temp issues everyone is having.
That's an awesome config. I'm just saying, and I'm only going on a hunch - I have no solid info - that the G73JW will be available for delivery by 9/20. Imho, and something to consider. If they'll exchange one for the other within a certain window because it's released just as you buy the JH, then do it without hesitation.
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If you are upgrading the CPU, get a 920XM or 940XM. The jump to an 840M is nowhere as good as the speeds you will get with the Extremes.
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100% On this Model from Powernotebooks.com - This will replace a hard worked Macbook Pro 17" that just does not fit in with my lifestyle.
Expect a review and some Video's some time in the near future and a Diary much like I did when I bought the Mac. See here
I await delivery!!!
ASUS G73JH-A1 Gaming Laptop
Display: 17.3" Full HD (1920x1080) LED backlit Widescreen LCD
ASUS 30 Day Zero Bright Dot Guarantee
GPU: ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5870 w/1GB GDDR5
Processor: Intel® Core i7-840QM (1.86~3.2GHz, 45W) w/8M Cache - 4 Cores, 8 Threads
Thermal Compound: IC Diamond Thermal Compound - CPU + GPU
System Memory: 8GB (4 SODIMMS) DDR3/1333 Memory
Hard Drive: 500GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive
Second Hard Drive: 500GB SATA II 3GB/s 7,200 RPM Hard Drive
Optical Drive (Blu-Ray - DVD - CD): 6x Blu-Ray Read/8x Super Multi Combo Drive
Memory Card Reader: Internal 8-in-1 Card Reader: MMC/SD/Mini-SD/XD/Memory Stick/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo
Wireless Networking: Built-in Intel® Centrino® Advanced-N 6200 Wireless Card
Bluetooth: Built-in Bluetooth Wireless 2.0+EDR
Battery: Smart Li-ion Battery 8-Cell
Operating System: Windows 7 Premium - 64-Bit Pre-installed w/Recovery Partition + Drivers & Utilities CD
ASUS Recovery DVD: ASUS OS Recovery DVD
AC Adapter: Full Range Auto Switching AC Adapter ASUS
Gaming Mouse: ASUS Gaming Mouse by Razer
Carrying Case: ASUS Gaming Backpack ASUS Warranty: Global Two Year Warranty + 1 Year ADP + 24/7 ASUS Support
The "I'd Like to Change my G73 Poll"
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