What thermal paste??? (POLL)

What thermal paste should i use to repaste my G73, what paste would have the best effect and last the longest? I don't know if there are any variations but my choices are Artic Silver 5 and IC Diamond 24
If you guys know any other vatiations such as IC Diamond 7, please suggest.

 

See my sig for Arctic silver 5 results and IC7 results.

IC7 or another similiar TIM will win hands down. Plenty of threads on here about it.

 

ICD7. It's newb proof, all i gotta say. You can use something like MX-2/3/4 too you should get pretty decent results as well

 

Dallers can also tell you about using a thin paste like AS5 and his GPU results.

Use the IC Diamond, Luke.

 

ICD 7 ( 10 char )

 

I sure can. It sux!

Every watered emulsion down too much then tried putting it on a wall. Bit like that.

Agreed IC7.

 

Whats the difference between IC Diamond 7 and 24??

 

The size of the tube. 1.5grams vs 4.5grams.

 

That exactly, you have a couple of repastes in a tube of ICD7 so no need to buy ICD24. What you really need is a thick and viscous paste. ICD7 is the most viscous one i came across so far.

 

Try Mx-4.

 

Thermal Compound Roundup - June 2011 | Hardware Secrets

80-way Thermal Interface Material Performance Test

BTW, you can get a 22g tube of Ceramique for $8 or so.

 

Thermal Compound Roundup - June 2011 | Hardware Secrets < No IC Diamond products listed

 

Why is it always like that? They don't include icd7.

 

Well, i've seen many threads that list IC7 as considerably better than acrtic silver 5. Some guy in the intel forum pasted his i7 990x with both artic silver 5 and IC7 and took screenshots of his temps at specific times in the first 3 days of the paste under same circumstances (idle, operating and gaming)and in all times IC7 had a good 3-4 degrees less than AS5, only on idle was the difference 2 degrees. Well in any case, i'm convinced, IC7 is my choice.

My last question is, how long does it take before the compound starts to dry. I often repair PS3s that have YLOD and use MASSCOOL Stars-700 because i got a deal from a store, 25 single use pouches for 50$. Out of the many PS3s i've repaired (about 100) only 2 called me back after about 9 months because they got a second YLOD. Upon opening it, i've seen that the thermal paste was not that much dry as it looked like it evaporated. I understand that i'm not using the best thermal paste but i'm certainly not going to spend 15$ a tube per PS3. In any case, how long would my repaste last? I love my G73 but i will not repaste it myself so i will pay a company to do it, how often should this be done?

 

Here is another roundup.

Skinneelabs is recommendable.
2011 Roundup | Skinnee Labs

Will repaste with Shin Etsu 7783 next days.
Currently applied MX-3 and it is very good too.

 

OEM's Spec material bulk loadings above a 90+ % for reliability. IC Diamond has a 94% bulk loading which includes 92% diamond + miscellaneous material.


There are different kinds of thermal resistance. One is contact resistance which the retail compounds mostly rely on by being of higher liquid content so they flow well into the voids and air gaps and with great or low contact resistance which enhances thermal performance so that end users are satisfied with the performance and enjoy instant gratification.

The Problem with Thin, Liquid, Low Viscosity Thermal Compounds

Low viscosity, highly liquid thermal pastes enjoy an initial success with low contact resistance but this also make them susceptible to Pump Out. Pump Out occurs when the system heats up, the joint compresses, and a little of the liquid is pushed out. After a sufficient number of cycles, the paste has shrunken in size leaving voids and causing a contact resistance failure. A variant of compound failure, Bake Out , occurs when consistently high thermal stress causes thermal degradation of the liquid. Pump Out and Bake Out reflect the research of many in the thermal community and hundreds of technical papers exist on this well-documented issue.



Illustration 1: Innovation Cooling has an ongoing program of reliability testing. Pictured below are some initial accelerated tests with some 3X10 glass slides,. Attached picture of test result was run for 20 hours at 150C, the center picture ICD is IC Diamond. The others are commonly used retail performance pastes, this highlights the stability of ICD7. The competition compounds feature the formation of voids, and span the range of initial failure to complete failure. IC diamond was observed to have no visible points of failure under these conditions. The picture is back lighted so the void formation is clearly visible


Liquid is a necessary component where thermal pastes are concerned otherwise you would be applying a powder. IC Diamond uses much less liquid so consequently is much less prone to failures as the liquid is wicked or baked away The shrinkage of the compound is almost non existent due to the low liquid volume content to begin with and so maintains contact/ thermal performance for extended periods and by design to set up into a crayon like consistency over time, still pliable and relying on the high bulk Diamond conductivity for performance as you are left with basically diamond held coherently together with the polymeric binders and is easily removed when re-liquefied with a solvent

So in short the reason it is thick is that it is harder to pump a solid than a liquid and provides a basis for long term extended reliability.

High viscosity or thickness of compound is a positive feature to seek out and necessary for for long term reliability

It's easy to design a compound for performance and it is also easy to design for reliability

It is very hard to do both in one package

 

Are you the real Mr Innovation Cooling of NBR? Can I ask for your autograph if that is the case. Massive Fan.

 

MASSIVE PROPS to you IC DIamond, your post is awesome, thanks

 

Sure enough, starting a survey/giveaway in the next couple of days as I have a requirement to accumulate some long term reliability data, end users who have participated in the past as well as adding some new into the mix.

I have server & PC data where people have run 3 years overclocked running folding @ home but notebooks is the more extreme thermal environment and an actual field survey of end users to template against lab data will be most useful.

 

I would be honoured to repaste my laptop for the 11th time in your name sir!

 

Im thinking of repasting it myself instead, i mean i regularly open PS3 and repaste them, i also am not afraid of trying but my G73 is so precious i would not dare to risk harming it, how hard is it to repaste the G73 ourselves, on a scale of 1 to 5 (electronic style) where 1 is changing the harddrive and 5 is the the type of thing that must be done by a trained professional, what would be your opinion on the level of hardness??

 

I'd say a repaste sits at a low 2 or 2.5. It takes time but it isn't that hard, read the guides and watch the disassembly video. After that you'll be good to go.

 

Dallers you will have your shot at it but this is a little different, I know in other situations ICD has been very durable. There should be some 1 year to two year results in the mix her where we can now draw some curves - should be interesting

 

Its more daunting than difficult and once you have done it once you can do it a thousand times. The trickiest parts are:

1. Making sure you remove every screw before pulling at something.
2. Be extremely gentle with the keyboard and spend as long as u need on it.
3. Treat the audio cable like a womens gentle bits.
4. Gently lever out the motherboard, first time its in there quite solid.
5. Reattach all wires and dont trap any wires or cover the reset button.

Finally the most important part of all dont forget to put RAM slot 1 back in

Gentech video gives you the basics but ignore the way he removes the keyboard its a wack job

Go for it Diamond man im willing to try anything new from you legends - You can call me..... TIM!

 

Aug 1 is my 1 year anniversary for my JH repaste. Still idling at 47C at the doctor's waiting room I was at this afternoon. Maybe one day Dallers can earn his Diamond Engineer status.

 

I'd remove the thermal from maximize thermal heat transfer in that banner though. Kinda repetitive don't you think? Heat transfer has to be thermal by definition . Other than that nice banner, just got past 1 month on ICD7 and so far i'm enjoying it. I don't have results as good as yours though, there's no way i'll 47C on AC. Still, not having the fan kick in at full speed when gaming is pretty awesome.

 

I have a graphics guy working on the signature badges to something more universally forum acceptable with 3 levels - you nominating Dallers for engineer status? I will put it to the committee for review - maybe bump you up to Elite Status.

 

Lot of marketing here.

 

Mucho gracias por fa vour!

 

That's teh BTO video not GenTech. I thought for a sec I had missed something.

 

Give that man a peanut. That is indeed the BTO procedure I copied the wrong link.

Still, ignore what they do with the keyboard though

 

Marketing is the life essence of capitalism, put your best foot forward and let the public decide for themselves which is why I like this forum as you have many manufacturers, SI's here that are upfront and if you have a question or need a problem resolved the communication barriers between customer and seller are removed making better product and happier customers.

I have a different perspective on social marketing as advice given to me time to time from different manufacturers in my network is to adopt their mode of sales where they have teams of flying monkeys that visit multiple forums and while pretending to be end users to "buzz up" their products and bash competitors.

The organizations that do this are well known to to people here due to the success of their social marketing programs and is more common than you think. I have seen some threads and knowing the participants where the only posters to the discussion were the manufacturers arguing about which was the better product.

Such is the seamy underbelly of social marketing, better to be upfront as the alligator you can see is less likely to sell you a bill of goods vs the one you can't see.

 

Dallers' discovery story of ICD7 was quite the amusing to read. I believe he was an AS5 man originally, then finally tried ICD7 when he was unhappy with the previous results, after redoing his pastes several times. He's now a walking advocate of your product.

As for the badges... I like the current one, but it would be nice to also have a smaller, forum-approved one as well that can be used in signatures.

As a side note, I have a Rampage III Black mobo arriving later today, so I'll be doing some paste work on an i7 950. Nice little setup with a 120G SSD for boot + 3x Seagate 7200 1.5TB in RAID.

 

Completely true. 9 repastes in fact. The 10th was with IC7.

The only problem I have is that I have nothing to take apart and fix now because of your Thermal Compound!

 

What you can do is date when you did the ICD7 paste and keep a weekly record of temps with matching ambient.

 

When I finally get round to planting in my 920XM I will repaste both and do this

 

If you want more data, i can volunteer. I got both my 920xm and GPU on ICD7, i'll gladly log my temps when i'm at work. I'll keep a log of the ambient temps as well.

 

I had to delete some posts here.

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