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    Whats a good ssd for the g73?

    Discussion in 'ASUS Gaming Notebook Forum' started by Ownageful, Feb 13, 2011.

  1. Ownageful

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    something not so expensive, but good performance.
    something that gives a windows experience index > 7.2
     
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    In my case, Intel x25m 80gb, excellent performance. Any INtel ssd will be ok.
     
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    i thought of that too but 100 euros or more is not such a small price :)
     
  4. frosty5689

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    Intel X-25M (make sure its got G2 at the end of the model # and not G1) (It's the revision, G1s are nasty and slower).

    OCZ Vertex 2.

    There's no reason to get SATA III SSDs when G73 doesn't even support SATA III.
     
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    What are your size requirements and price range?
     
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    I've got an OCZ Vertex 2 ... and yeah, it's faster than the 7200rpm drives, but I don't really feel like it's "better".
     
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    i've made some research and i am into this conclusion
    the price of the
    500GB, Seagate, SATA2, 7200rpm, 16MB (stock HDD) and the price of the
    250gb Seagate Momentus® XT, 4GB SSD / SATA2, 7200rpm, 32MB

    is almost about the same (Momentus XT is around 10 euros more expensive in my country)

    so if i manage to sell one of my stock HDD i will buy Momentus XT (it is not like an SSD but is close enought to it and a lot faster from stock Momentus (you can see that in the video i posted before)

    correct me if i am wrong !
    so Momentus XT is a hybrid SSD ?
     
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    I wouldn't bother with the hybrid SSD.
     
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    it would be good if someone with Momentus XT and other SSD make some benchmarks and post :)
    yeah and what's the WEI score of the Momentus XT
     
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    5.9. All the 7200s even the hybrids seem to get 5.9 from what I've read in other posts.
     
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    actually there was a guy in "Alternative to Momentus XT" thread who mentioned he was getting 6.9 score but after the firmware 5.9

    i don't know people talking the Momentus XT is between a normal HDD and SSD and performing like 10 000 RPM HDD

    isn't it more like SSD(just watch the video)

    EDIT : looks like Momentus XT is a lot slower from Cruical SSD ....
     
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    If you run WEI twice consecutively with Momentus XT as your OS drive. It will go from 5.9 to something like 6.9 - 7.0, because it will cache the files WEI wrote the first time inside the SSD region, so the second run will be much much faster. Anyways, I have a OCZ Vertex 2 80GB on my laptop and I have to say it is a big improvement. It used to take around 50-60seconds to boot, now it takes around 20seconds to get to login and 24 seconds to fully boot if I type my password asap. Programs like MATLAB, Photoshop, SolidWorks, and Maple open up in less than 1 second. Browsers and IMs open up instantly. The loading of thumbnails are almost non-existent too. (I have thumbnail caching turned off because it is so fast)
     
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    I've changed the 2 XTs with my 160GB X25. You can't compare a good ssd against a hdd, even the hybrids are slow. And loud!

    With a sandy G73 (SW) you will get SataIII support. A C300 will do ~340MB/s seq. read.
     
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    I wouldn't put too much stock in the WEI were i you, it's basically just an "artificial" number which holds no real world significance, but for whatever it's worth the Intel X25 scores a 7.7 and personally speaking i'd recommend the Intel X25, if you shop ebay enough the 80GB can be had for $120-$150 (new) and those prices will drop even further with the pending release of the G3's, at a $1.50/GB there's no better time than now to enter the SSD market IMO.
     
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    Unfortunately, G73-SW does not support sata3.
     
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    mine is intel x-25 80gb g2.. with 7.6 score..
     
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    Thats wrong, mate! :rolleyes:
    A SW owner tested it with a Crucial C300.
    The HDD-slots are connected to port 0 and 1. Those are the gen 3 ones.
    Only ODD is still SataII (but only 150MBit speed).

    Edit:
    Bench
     
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    Really? Does it support those 300+Mbps speeds? I remembered asking xoticpc if the sw's support sata3 and they said no. It will work, but not using the full speeds of sata3. Maybe they were wrong.
     
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    Trust the picture
    xoticpc was maybe more guessing than testing :)

    But on the other side. What will you do with 300MB/s+ seq. read in a notebook? Even the usb3.0 is bottlenecked at (I guess!) max. 100MB/s. :p
     
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    Yeah. :) But one more thing the sw lacks is the support for raid. That's a bummer.
     
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    I'm currently using the OCZ Agility but I have four other SSD I'm using. I only use OCZ or Intel but the most bang for the buck are from OCZ.
     
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    The Agility 2 are really good SSDs and a real bang for the buck.
     
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    so which one shud i get? OCZ Agility 2 or intel x25
     
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    i vote for OCZ Agility 2 or Vertex 2 by the tests made on that link
     
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    The agility 2 and the vertex 2 are identical except for the firmware. Performance wise they are identical except for IOPS which really doesn't affect us. I would get whichever is cheaper. The Agility/vertex 2s outperform the intels but are less reliable from what I've read. I'd still get the OCZ though because they are cheaper per GB when bought with a rebate.
     
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    Reliability was the 1st generation of the Agilities due to some having dated firmware which didn't include garbage collection. That was quickly rectified with a firmware update and only the earliest batches had that issue.
     
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    I don't think so. Is everybody looking on seq. speed only, or what? :D
     
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    True the 2nd Gen intel is faster at random read/writes (and that is most important kind in some opinions), but the difference between the intel and a sandforce in this area is not a HUGE difference. However when comparing an intel's 70mbps sustained write to a sandforces 270mpbs sustained write is a HUGE difference. So overall I do think the Sandforces are faster. But if I didn't own a sandforce I would want an intel, the intels seem to be more reliable and I have yet to hear of anyone having difficulty getting theirs to work with the G73 (which is a big deal since I had trouble getting my G Skill Sandforce to work).

    So in the end they are comparable, I just give the edge to sandforce because they are generally cheaper per GB than the intel and are faster (in most, but not all, areas).
     
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    Nah, i personally prefer real world scenarios. ;)
    Don't compare full compressable atto-benches. SF only reaches such speed with easy compressable data.

    Alex Intelligent Software - Artikel: Typische AS SSD Ergebnisse
    The 160GB G2 is even faster in substained write (100MB/s). And Intel also improved the performance with the new M3 firmware.

    But yeah, SF based SSDs are fast too. :)

    No probs here with G73.
     
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    I respect that, if the Intel cost the same per GB as a Sandforce, I probably would have gone with the intel to be honest.
     
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    I recently stept into the world of the SSD, and I must say I'm impressed ^^. Popped open the hood, switched my old Seagate for an intel x-25m 160gb, and clean installed the OS. Spent some time lookin how to optimize the SSD, eventually did all the tweaks that could be found on this forum (didnt notice any changes so far though, but I definatly should test some more). The rig boots in 30 seconds, much better than the old 64 seconds :p. I got lucky a friend of mine sold his extra intel 160gb drive for €200, didnt waist much time on that offer ^^.
     
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    You should pop in your old drive and see the difference. With a good SSD everything is very snappy. With the low I/O operation and latency there is no delay or hour glass symbols so the O/S can finish queuing due to drive performance.
     
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    Don't scare people because the drives are compensated and nothing will suffer besides some GB of storage missing.

    Since the life span of the cells are shorter they just added more for the reserve. Basically you will be missing 4GB of storage after a format. The 25nm SSDs are cheaper to produce and will offer more storage per dollar to what you are paying now. This balances itself out overall.
     
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    Except that isn't what is happening; read the posted review of the "new" Vertex drives. Lower performance, less write cycles, but the same price with no consumer warning. That is pretty screwed up if you ask me..

    OCZ Vertex 2 25nm Review (OCZSSD2-2VTXE60G) | StorageReview.com

    And really? "nothing will suffer besides some GB of storage missing" So, i guess i could sell ya a car then, and just keep a few tires, and all is good with you? Sweet! :rolleyes:
    If i pay for something that is advertised,, i damn well expect to get it. Not some cheaper, cut down version of it.......
     
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    The costs will go down eventually but not at first which is expected.

    They should have approached it much better than they did but they need to start transitioning to newer technology. As for the performance I have a feeling that newer firmware updates will give speed bumps to the new drives.
     
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    Yes, new technology is fine, but that is not my beef. My beef is intentionally misleading customers, and selling them something worse than advertised. And i wouldn't make bets on firmware improving things much..
     
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    It is actually worse than I thought because the performance is pretty crappy all across the board. I would be pissed too but I'm sure lawsuits will happen. If they are advertising the same speeds between a 34nm and 25nm drive then it is plausible.
     
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    Yeah, that is the crux of the matter - Vertex 2 drives are shipping out, and short of people benching them, they have no way to tell in the packaging which they are getting. OCZ is now replacing people's drives for free, but initially, they actually had the gaul to charge people extra..