benchmarks before and after repaste

Just wanted to ask, did any of you did some benchmarks before and after repasting the gpu? Because I guess repasting makes a little difference... And with lower temps I guess we can OC a bit that gpu so -> better fps again

 

Temperature will not make a massive difference to benchmark tests unless the temperature is causing the GPU to throttle automatically it shouldn't effect performance.

Personally I noticed no difference to my benchmarks or my overclocks either because the maximum overclock is always restricted by the voltage in most instances more than the temperature.

Im considering a volt mod because none of my temps during full load go over 72oC now so I have quite a bit more overclocking left to do although increase the voltage even by small increments can have a massive effect on the temps

 

definitelly the temperatures doesn't make difference with the overclocking
when it crashes i know that it is not from the temperature

i want to overclock more too yeah but asus limited us

 

Im just cautious I will happily mod my voltages. Once someone else has done it first

 

Well, if I overclock a bit, the temps go waaaaaay too high.. So no OC for me until repaste

 

How much are you overclocking? If you have poor cooling either blocked fans or a poor paste job then yes overclocking will cause a much larger increase in temps.

My CPU at stock idles 45oC and reaches 68oC stressed. O/c Idles 50oC and stressed 74oC

My GPU at stock idles 46oC and reaches 76oC Ext Burn. O/c idles 49oC and Ext Burn 80oC

Get to work

 

Finally remembered about the useplatformclock edit to get proper overclocking, so I went ahead and tweaked the JH here:

It's nice to have that little boost when encoding, but is nowhere near what the Sandy on the SW can do. Dragon Age 2 doesn't care for the OC, however. :shrugs:

 

Only shows a difference in certain places for me after a bit of testing. How much you overclocking by? Twin Turbo is not enough push that PLL up

 

@ Chastity
current clock 400/1100 ?!?!
i believe you have the overdrive active ... that was what i was talking about all the time

 

Values are in the pic

 

Sorry im sneakily on a work computer cannot see the pic. I will take a look when I get home. My PLL is comfortable upto 171 but anything over 176 crashes immedietely can stress upto 174.

Mine sits at this too? Only my core downclocks automatically my o/c memory stays at 1100. Does this matter? doesn't do much to my temps I idle at 49oC with 400/1100. Not too fond of underclocking I like power at the ready

 

that's why i said overdrive is broken and that's why i don't use overdrive

 

What is overdrive? Nothing is broken on my laptop or do I use anything called overdrive my stock clocks are like that well 400/1000 and when running a program 700/1000 stock.

 

You have the 5870, shouldn't be a big deal... With the 5850 I was able to get up to 1.15V (instead of standard 1.0V) 3d voltge.
A slight increase of about 0.5V will help you to get higher clocks, stable (1.15V was only for benching... get really hot with the 5850)

What's the standard 3d voltage of the 5870?

Try the latest Trixx overclock utility first before you flash the voltage, you should be able to adjust the voltage with it (use GPU-Z to see whether it really can change the voltage of your card).

 

How To Overclock An ATI Video Card With ATI Overdrive

Its "broken" because it doesn't downclock the memory back down to stock clocks after.

 

I still dont get why its broken is this with G73JH full stop or only some? Overdrive states that my stock clocks are 400/1000 0.95v and when needed to it clocks upto 700/1000 1.15v. I can overclock with overdrive perfectly fine and do so to reach my 825/1100 1.15v clocks and when idle goes back to 400/1100 0.95v, max stable clocks of 840/1125.

I can also downclock with Overdrive to 400/500. Should this automatically drop lower than 400/1000? How can I fix this?

Tried Trixx and it does not allow me to change the voltage. Also when you overclock or underclock it jams the voltage at 1.15V instead of clocking down to 0.95.

 

Ok, then you'll have to modify and flash the vbios.

 

This has been discussed intensively before. The voltages on the asus 5870m are hardwired to the GPU. If you want to voltmod it, you'll need to do so physically and i'm not even going near that option. Even the MSI vBios on the asus GPU only does 0.95/1.15.

 

Exactly.

But I don't know what you all say about "broken" overdrive or vBios.
If I enable overdrive with settings like 800/1100, my JH still downclocks to the 2D values of vBios setting (125/100). IMO this is (when) a driver or CCC bug. Try to reset the settings in overdrive panel. Old values are saved in a profile XML.

 

If you managed to get that working, then you truly have the only functional G73JH on the planet.

Its well known that AMD Overdrive does NOT downclock the memory clocks to 2D clocks, and only the core clock downclocks.

Video proof or shenanigans.

 

Can you recommend a good program that downclocks properly along with voltage and has the ability to do this with profiles?

 

I've found that you can get the clock and memory clocks to change if you get UVD to activate. (Found that out while doing something, and noted mine changed to 400/1000 when editing a video)

What's borky is that when you use Overdrive to say 800/1100, then when at idle, it will use 400/1100. Is this a big issue? Not really. If you switch to battery, then the memory will change.

 

Windows Power Settings lol. That and Power4Gear and you can use Fn+Space to change between profiles. Downclocks voltages and clocks perfectly. Been using it since day one. Used in conjunction with AMD Overdrive and its rather 'perfect".

Use Overdrive clocks on "High Performance" and Max Battery Savings on Quiet Office.

You're not referring to the 405/700 idle clock changes are you. I don't think you are. No. Don't think so. Memory clocks stay overclock or (in light of Chastity's new report) at stock clocks but not back down to 2D clocks (which is anything below 1000).

 

I'd said, that something is borky with overdrive. because it remembers some old (previous vBIOS) settings in the XML profile ("C:\Users\[Accountname]\AppData\Local\ATI\ACE\Profiles.xml").
You should reset these settings before using by clicking on the "standard settings" button on the overdrive panel.

Here is my video to show that it is working for me.
Will I get a cookie?

G73JH Overdrive and downclocking
(I had to activate the webcam tool to see what I was filming )

Edit:
Only problem by now is the non working UVD mode :|

 

Cookie for you.

How would you go about resetting the XML profile?

 

Look at 0:30. There is a black button at the overdrive settings. Or delete the file.

 

Does nothing at all for me so you must be doing something else or running a program that downclocks your GPU.

 

Lol.
If you are not able to do it, call them faker or what?
It's like laptopfan with the problem of flickering.
Believe it or not, but don't call it a fake.

 

Hilarious, yes I called you a faker?? :laugh:

Perhaps explain exactly what you need to do instead of jumping in halfway through a thread with several LOL's giving it large that you can downclock to 2D mode without giving any proper instructions apart from delete this file, hit the default button which only resets the overdrive to the default clocks and makes no difference at all to the way in which the driver downclocks.

Germans...

 

OK. Will let you alone with all your problems.
Don't need this stupidity.

Edit:
You need of course a 2D setting with lower clocks in the vBIOS!

 

Oh yes of course I knew this without being told about it. I have a degree in reading minds.

I may be stupid but I am outstandingly good looking and that makes up for it.

Try being less rude and more informative it would help a lot of people if this worked.

 

But you must have overseen, that there wasn't running any program to downclock. This was a point of ignorance. And why should I do such faking things, bro.

I have no more information at the moment.
Peace

 

Clearly we both have a different opinion of ignorance.

The most important part of all this was that you have to flash the Vbios there is no point claiming deleting a file or resetting to defaults will work without this vital piece of information.

 

OK. My fault was to say nothing about an appropriate 2D setting in the vBios (at start). Nevertheless, most of you should know how the powerplay is working. To which setting should overdrive go other than the values in the vBios? But you can also set values in the profile file manually. Also voltage!

 

Have you been able to increase the voltage above 1.15v without flashing the Vbios? Or just changing between 0.95/1.15v. I would rather not flash again personally so would be very interested to know if this can be done and how because my aim is to have it running at 1.2v but have been told so far this cannot be done.

 

Nope he can't. Voltage is hardware fixed. Also the profiles aren't very useful, messed with that months ago. And I still don't believe @tilla's claims. @tilla doesn't have UVD mode which either tells me 2 things. 1). He's not using an Asus vBios, but one of the old alternative vBios that HellCry talked about. Those only have 2D and 3D. Or his vBios is broken and modified it heavily and doesn't want to say what it is. Pressing default on OverDrive does nothing for me.

 

So you have to live with your problems.
All said.

 

And your contributions continue to be useless with cryptic comments about your setup. You don't explain your intentions or really anything. Just seem to post to mock other JH users.

 

Ah well shame really could do with some good information in regards to this as its all way above my head trying to understand it clearly some people are just...whats the word he used - Ignorant.

Still, 2 World War's 1 World Cup....

 

All those UK/German comments are just flame baiting. Have a little class will you.
Calm your mammaries for a bit, and stow the huge sweeping statements.

@tilla, why not explain in german if its more convenient. Not enough details to replicate how you got it working on your system.

 

Alas, flame baiting can sometimes lead to point proving! Which is what we are all looking for - Facts not a blurry movie with no information. I agree my testosterone levels responded brutly to the stupidity comments.

Even so German will do I can then use google translate and finally get my JH to downclock which is what this whole discussion began with...

 

@tilla congrats on the working overdrive ...looks like you are the only one that has working overdrive if you are not cheating ofcourse

i cannot get mine to clock like it should
as soon as i press apply overdrive and set the memory to different value from 1000 it brings me automatically to that value (like the rest of us)

so now you have only to convince me with another video that your screen really doesn't flickr (becouse i was not able to see from your video) at the top of the screen when changing the values

btw why 2d on 100/125?

p.s can you attach that profile.xml file so we can compare ... ?

 

Thats the whole point its nothing to do with the Xml file or clicking the default button he has flashed the Vbios and kindly refuses to say what he did when doing so. Waste of time mate.

 

actually the xml file is the main reason the clock jumps
i have been experimenting a lot with it but still i can't manage it to work

when you enable overdrive and set for example on 800/1100 then all the values for the memory goes to 1100 (110000)

Feature name="CoreClockTarget_0"> Property name="Want_0" value="40000"/> Property name="Want_1" value="70000"/> Property name="Want_2" value="80000"/>

Feature name="MemoryClockTarget_0"> Property name="Want_0" value="110000"/> Property name="Want_1" value="110000"/> Property name="Want_2" value="110000"/>


so i thought if i change the first value for the 2D from 110000 to 100000 it would work but then i can't manage it to read those values (when i open CCC or it is automatically started those values are automatically changed to 110000 again in the profile.xml

any ideas ?


EDIT : i believe that if you flash your vbios with those low clocks like he did that the overdrive will clock properly like in his video ... that's Garry's unfinished job

 

If you read what he said he does not mention editing it he mentions deleting it so that it resets to default. Without knowing what he did when flashing the Vbios its a waste of time. 2D do not work on the G73JH unless it is flashed, which is what most of us dont want to risk doing.

 

What should I do while flashing? I have no magic button.
I have changed my vBIOS to this values.
Use a usb stick and flash the rom-file with:
"ATIFLASH -p 0 -f romfile.rom"

The xml was just mentioned because of the strange behaviour of overdrive sometimes.
I had 70/100 flashed before. Now 125/100.
Yesterday I enabled Overdrive and the clock gone to 70/100. BECAUSE IT WAS SAVED IN THE PROFILE BEFORE! I resetted to default. And oops. Just clocked to 125/100. Magic, eh.

I guess editing the file won't work while Powerplay is enabled. We (X7811 owners) tested with this xml a year ago, because there wasn't any powerplay vBIOS available. We switched the clocks manually with profiles. Since June 10 we had working powerplay and so I forget all about this .

And btw: I'm not Gary or the awesome Asus support. They have to explain about your problems. If you find them. Good luck.
I don't need to be flamed which such dumb comments.

 

the vbios reacts strangely with low values and that's why your overdrive works but uvd doesn't clock properly (my uvd doesn't clock sometimes too on baterry)

i am done with flashing the vbios
i don't mind to overclock with amd gpu clock tool
but it would be good if overdrive worked like it should

p.s so in order overdrive to work CCC should be running in startup and background everytime ?

 

Maybe will recheck this with the 'stock' beta vBIOS.
That would be weird.
If this is true, the asus card is the culprit. I had tested the asus card with MSI vBIOS. But no UVD switch too.

 

Yeah I still don't believe @tilla. I've reflashed my vBios using Chastity's vBios with the clock settings exactly as @tilla posted. I then went into OverDrive and clicked default. Set the OverDrive setting.

As I'm typing this in FireFox, both the top and bottom of my screen is flickering and pissing me off.

To further my doubts in @tilla being truthful: UVD works

Turning on hardware acceleration in flash, playing youtube, my screen is not flickering since it's locked onto UVD clock as it should.

Suffice to say, I think @tilla is trolling us. I do not believe @tilla is using the Asus vBios.

@BumbleBoner: With 11.4 drivers, OverDrive doesn't fix the memory clock anymore. It does drop to 2D and UVD memory clocks, but that just causes flickering. Flickering unchanged as that is a confirmed vBios issue that Asus refuses to fix, and just provide a workaround for it.

 

Perhaps he is. But I've read some of your posts, and you troll hard too