g53sw is really better then g53sx?

Someone posted:

Is here right or not? the g53sw has better performance?(better fps)

 

that gtx 560m in that post is 128 bit version (watered down)
if it comes with full power of 192 bit version, of course g53sx will win..

 

I looked at notebookcheck too, and the points "13919~16591" IS THE 192BIT version! so the GX 460 much better, am I right?

 

Lol, yea as I said, and you are right

 

so what's the best 15.6" gaming laptop out there within 1600$?

 

dude.. for 1600, you can get a 17.3 in G73sw.. mine after tax and all cost 1514.42$$$

 

yea...but i need some portability too...and i can get a better configuration in lesser price in a 15.6" rather than 17.3"

 

I have this same doubt too.
I'm not really very good with computer gadget stuffs.
But even after looking at the calculations, I still don't quite get why is the new 560M worse then 460M ; ;
Now I'm lost with what I wanna get.

 

no of course not.. if that so , why ASUS produce the next generation gaming notebook with lower performance?

ati HD 5870 is 11-13% stronger than 460m
gtx 560m is 10% stronger than 460m..
gtx 560m is overall on par with HD 5870.

so if u got 30 fps in 460m, you got 33fps in 560m, and 34-35 fps in ati 5870


but there is rumor that G53SX come with 128 bit version of Gtx560m which is slower a bit/on par with gtx460m 192bit in g53sw

here you can compare gtx560m+sandybridge from newest GT683R with G73SW gtx460m+sandy.. hope it helps



Review: MSi GT683 Gaming Notebook, First With Nvidia GTX 560M Graphics

GT683R sandy+560m
G73SW sandy+460m see vantage score

 

It's no rumor, it's confirmed that the 560m in G53SX will be only 128bit.
Yes, G53SW is better than G53SX.

 

Sager NP8150 S1 with a 6970m will crush all Asus laptops

 

I take it you haven't bought one yet because of the price tag.

 

Geforce GTX 485m on the sager NP8150 will crush the 6970m without any sweat. Nvidia Geforce wins again!

 

You people have some strange ideas on what constitutes "crush"

 

no dude....its 192bit version of GTX 560M which is 13% faster than the 192bit GTX 460M.....but because of 2GB VRAM in G53SX it is sure it has the crippled down 128bit version of 560M whereas G74SX has the original 192bit version because of 3GB VRAM which is better than 192bit 460M

 

yes if u read carefully i did mention 192bit gtx 560m is faster by 10% than 192bit gtx 460m. and 128bit gtx 560m on par/lower than 192bit gtx 460m

 

oh...sorry man...i didn't read carefully...my mistake i thought you were in favour of SX

 

To make more money off of unsuspecting customers?

Maybe, but it's in a whole different price bracket. My GTX 460M-equipped ASUS was $1,200; laptops with the 6970M start at about $400 more. The GTX 460M is a victory for frugality

 

IT IS a rumor if you say that it is confirmed then show us a source! I heard that they can put 64 bit memory controllers instead of 32, so it still can be 192 bit

 

totally agree. a 2-5 fps difference is far from crushing anything.

 

It has been confirmed both Asus and retailers. 64-bit memory controllers? How exactly would that help? YouTube - ‪Don't Stop Believing - Journey‬‏

 

lol that depends, if it's going from 2fps to 7fps, yes, that's crushing it. But still sucking.

 

What?! I have been waiting for the SX and you guys are saying the SW thats out already AND cheaper is better? IS it only better because of the overclock feature? Doesn't the SX have bigger HDD as well as more ram? plus naked eye 3D!

 

Yep, SW is better because of the faster 192bit GPU.
Naked eye 3D is not available yet and will not be available in the US, according to the retailers. No word about future availability.

 

I confirmed with NCIX here in Canada, and also called Asus directly and spoke to a techy there; they both said the SX has naked eye 3D

Take a look at the features/product description
http://ncix.com/products/?sku=62250&vpn=G53SX-A1-CBIL&manufacture=ASUS

 

Huh, interesting. Well, lets wait for the reviews then.

 

I dont think the one that is sold from Ncix is Naked Eye 3d, because it's the 1080p that they are selling, where the naked eye res is only 768p

anyway, for me, i would go for the SX

because, 1st, the difference between the 460 192bit and 560 128bit is not by any means HUGE

i will go for the SX because you can do Dual HDD, which is a plus for me for installing an additional SSD, it will compensate for the fps loss, and you can even go for Raid 0, more awesome!

and also, you get 12gb ram from the SX, now i know for gaming, 12 is an overkill, even 8 is in overkill, but it is also good if you would do something that requires that ram power in the future, like Video editing or if you are a crazy multi tasker ( like myself, i can open around 5 Adobe software at 1 time, although i am doing it on my 2010 MBA, and i know if i have 12 gigs, it would handle it better ), more is always better in my Dictionary

but yeah that's me, if you do care about the gaming more, then sure, go for the G53SW

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anyway, speaking of which, i am interested to know, other than the GPU ( which is won by the G53SW )

what other new feature is on the SX that the SW doesn't have?

like perhaps newer cooling system? new Mother Board?

 

ok so for gaming and to Google sw is better i can get it 400 dollars cheaper then sx but im afraid that the 460 wont be able to play future games in the next year am i just paranoid or will it last 2-3 years?

 

It will definitely last 2-3 years and play all games. However, it may not be able to play games at the max settings, of course.

Right now you can see FPS on current games here: Computer Games on Laptop Graphic Cards - Notebookcheck.net Tech

More than likely it'll be able to keep up with newer games when drivers come out, but it may not be able to go much more than "high" settings.

 

Asus G-series are good laptops for their price.
If you want something more powerful and with a good price/performance ratio, then look at Sager.

 

The SW has dual HDDs as well (and if bought from Newegg, comes w/ the hard drive bay & screws required). Apart from that every other component is the same. The SX on newegg does have 2 more gigs of ram but I personally don't consider ram or hard drive space all that much because they can be upgraded very easily and for cheap.

 

any difference physically for both of them? like the trackpad button( the stiffness) or maybe the cooling fan performance..
from what i heard bout the 192 bit-460m and 128bit-560m, 560is actually better than 460m by maybe 1-4%.. i heard that 460m will hav the SAME PERFORMANCE only after u overclock the 460m a little bit.. is it? correct me if i am wrong..

 

depends on what resolution... @ 1920x1080, the 460m192bit wud be better cuz of the larger memory bus and bandwidth... @ 1366x768, 560m128bit is better since the 128bit bus width would not be the bottleneck at low resolutions and it wud benefit from the higher core/shader clocks..

 

You're totally wrong.
Let's get this straight: the 128bit gtx560m is nowhere near the power of the gtx460m or the full 192bit gtx560m.
Only if you heavily overclock the 128bit 560m in the SX you can go near the performance of a stock 460m 192bit.
Then add the fact that most gtx460m can reach clocks such 800/1600/1600 on stock vbios, basically that means a performance difference about 30-40% which is huge.

Beside the lower bus width of 128bit you have to take into account less Rendering pipelines (ROPs) which are another crippling factor.

The 4-10% increase you've read about is when comparing the full 560m vs full 460m because there's a 100mhz difference in clocks.
When the 460m is brought to same clocks as the 560m full they performs exactly the same.

I hope this clears any doubt. Fact is that the SX does t have any reason to exist since its the same laptop as the SW (and I mean it is really the same, chassis trackpad screen etc etc).
Asus probably released it with the 560m because the 460m has been discontinued but still there's no point into using a gimped card.

They probably did this to further push the g74sx and cut productions costs/retail cost of the newer SX.
In fact the SW sometimes it still retails higher than the new SX because for those that understand technical data is above and beyond the newer SX when it comes to gaming.

Another example is synthetic benchmarks. The higher I've seen in 3dmark06 with an heavy oc on a gimped 560m is a mere 14k. The gtx460m hits 15k on stock and with a safe oc it can break 16,200 PTs without a hitch.

 

yeah.. g53sw seems to be still more pricey than g53sx.. thanks for explaining..

 

^ the SW has/had a price drop on

 

The G53SW has dual hard drives as someone else stated. It also can go to 16GB of ram, though it's hard to get to the final slot. Not much of a difference from that point on, the cooling system is the same, other than maybe the actual casing exhaust ports. And as stated the 460M GTX is better than the 560M GTX Asus uses. If they used the 192-bit the 560 would have been better. I know I'm a little late, but I just wished to add those few tidbits.