*** ASUS Zephyrus M (GM501) Owner's Lounge ***

The fan curve is likely set to start slow, typical of Asus to keep quiet operation.

The brief jump to the 90's kick's in the fan and causes temperatures to quickly drop, so thermal throttling if it even registers will immediately go away.

You can help a bit by putting the rear of the laptop a few inches higher than the front to encourage front to back air flow and thermal convection. Also raising the laptop off the surface keeps heat from being stored in the desk and bouncing back into the bottom air intake. Make sure the hot exhaust air exits into free space, rather than hitting a wall, or worse - a corner - which will also trap hot air and bounce back into the air intakes.

A large slow fan to provide air flow over the laptop case to expel heat helps too. They aren't too noisy. High RPM noisy fans will cool even more, maybe even push hard enough to force air into the bottom intake, but they are too noisy for me.

It sounds like you have tuned it well, IDK if the CPU multipliers can be tuned in this model, you might see if you can raise the Core 0 / 1 multipliers and drop the other ones lower to improve single/dual thread response and reduce heat from other cores when in service.

Great new laptop design, I hope you like it.

 

Thank you so much for answering all my questions. I’m contemplating on keeping my order or looking for something else. Everything about this laptop seemed perfect to me, but I really expected temps not to go over 80 with the liquid metal application. One of this machine’s main competitors, the MSI GS65, is thinner and lighter and has a worse cooling system. Still, someone here posted that under a stress test, the max temps were 72 degrees (also woth Liquid Metal and Fujipoly pads from HIDevo). I was hoping for somehting equivalent here...

 

You can vary / tune the load with RTSS to limit FPS to refresh rate, and adjust the fan curve - if the software exists for that model.

Comparing temperatures across laptop's is tough, even within the same GS65 @sk3tch thought his LM / Pads were problematic until he tuned the fan curve and other tuning.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...scussions-lounge.815216/page-55#post-10730152

With no re-paste, undervolt, tuning the fan curve, and limiting FPS with RTSS or another frame limiter, you should also be able to keep from thermal throttling - which is the functional performance improvement from tuning.

Any laptop can be mistuned, or untuned out of the box not perform at it's best, and haters love to quote reviews where they do no tuning out of the box and get thermal throttling. Beware those people, they aren't your laptops' friends (BGA haters).

undervolting alone at least -100mV will drop 100% load temps 10c, so if you were in the low 90c's, undervolting gets you into the low 80c's, which is enough.

Over concern with dropping temperatures further than needed - further than needed to reach under thermal throttling point - has wasted a lot of time and money for no advantage - try not to get caught up into that "game", enjoy your laptop for why you bought it, games, applications, etc.

 

Thanks lol I just noticed a difference when I had a wall of books on my desk 6 inches away from behind my GM501. I put my hands behind the laptop and books and oh man there was a bunch of heat trapped. I repositioned it and it did improve airflow and temps even though the wall of books was only 6 inches away. The fans don't bother me for some reason, they are pretty loud on overboost and my friends did make fun of the jet engines on my computer. Now I literally enjoy being obnoxious in LAN parties with my jet engines.

I think everyone should think about the environment they put their laptops in. My old Asus Laptop shoots hot air on its side which is why I had the books positioned behind the laptop in the first place.

 

That's the realization that will get you the rest of the way to the best tuning of the environment for your laptop cooling.

Books for sound deadening is good, just well out of the way of the exhaust. A "V" formation behind the laptop works well when you are forced to use a desk against a wall, that "vents" the hot air to the left and right edges and off the desk, and helps shoot the noise the same directions.

Same goes for under the laptop. Keep it off the desk by a few inches to decouple the heat build up, but use a sound absorbing / non-reflecting surface under the laptop - like a large "coffee table" photo book - also works well on the bed as a resting surface.

Good thing the fan noise doesn't bother you; I use headphones

 

Still no info on potential heatsink differences between the 1070 and 1060 versions?

 

Have you adjusted the undervolt after changing the heat dissipation situation? I have a zephyrus m + liquid metal on order and can't wait to tinker with the undervolting of the laptop.

 

Mine is currently -0.06V, i did try -0.1V but it crashed while playing games. -0.07V seems to work too though

 

Alright so I am on optimus mode with silent fan mode on and my CPU is hitting 35C and GPU is at 42-43C. At overboost it was 32 CPU/40 GPU. Even while at overboost its still pretty silent. No games and no G sync, Idle on Google Chrome.

 

Damn this is making me think twice about my preorder for the GM501 do you think MSI GE63 RGB with i7-8750h would be better for heating? I know its thicker then GM501.

 

Doesn't that lappy come with a 1060 at max config? I assume the ge63 will be cooler than the zephyrus m. There aren't too many detailed reviews on the zephyrus but judging from some reviews people were complaining about the thermals of the m.

 

No they do have a 1070 version its cheaper by 200 dollars too but it is noticeably thicker but I'm really considering to get the ge63 RGB. Its thicker then the M but at this point when I here what people are saying I think I might just get the GE63 instead of the M.

 

Oh I just saw the 1070 version on amazon haha.. Anyways everyone has different needs for laptops. I bought the zephyrus m because of it having the best screen for gaming and powerful in a thin and light package and the ability to to sync the rgb lighting btw rog peripherals. Good luck to your laptop search though!

 

can you tell me how long does the battry last on the Zephyrus in power saving mode with optimus on with normal usage(web browsing, youtube videos?) and also does it get hot in your lap during normal usage?

 

Mine is still in transit. The wait is real

 

Well can anyone answer me on how the battery life is on the Zephyrus M with optimus on and power saver mode during normal usage?

 

So I gamed a bit in Optimus mode mode where G sync is disabled and it auto selects which GPU to use.
I choose Black Desert because its the only game that I have that heats up my system. Please keep in mind that I do have Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut installed by HIDevolution.
This is undervolted by -0.06V at Max graphic settings.

G sync Max temperature
90-94C CPU (mostly stays around 82-88C)
81-85C GPU
FPS 130-80
30 Minutes - 1 hour game play

Optimus mode No G sync
78-85C CPU
76-79 GPU
FPS 95-60
30 minutes gameplay - 1 hour game play

I am not exactly sure why my frames dropped when I turned G sync off in this particular game. But I am pretty sure if I played other lower demanding games the results would definitely be better. One thing I noticed is when I plug this laptop into a monitor with 60hz duplicate screen mode, every game I play would drop 10C. The 144hz + G sync really ramps up the temps.

Its pretty bad don't expect too much.

1 hour to an hour and a half G sync mode
2 hours to 3 hours on Optimus mode
It really depends on what you are doing.

 

The highest spikes we have recorded, with no Undervolt but with Grizzly Conductonaut + Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads are:
GPU = 79C
CPU = 85C

YMMV

 

That looks about right. Most games I played stayed around there. Unoptimized games tend to make CPU/GPU skyrocket. PUBG/Black Desert are definitely one of them.

 

Ok so I am in my brother's room, it is much colder here than in my room.

Played Black Desert for an hour with G SYNC 144hz Max graphics. I did undervolt a little bit more at -0.07V
Was averaging 81C GPU and 78-84CPU most of the time. If I lowered the graphic settings it would have ran a bit cooler.

I would highly advise people buying this laptop to please consider the environment you are going to put this laptop in.

Room temperatures do matter.

 

Thats a huge difference. The room temperature are that different between the two rooms?

 

78-80F(25-26C) in my room and his is around 72-76F (22-24C).

 

Well this is good news to me those other temperatures were scaring me. I also in my preorder have LM paste and fujiploy thermal pads. That's why I was so worried.

 

Even so, most games I played stayed 74-78C GPU and 72-84C CPU. Just beware of your environment, and get a good cooling pad.

Please let me know how your temps are when you get yours.

 

Im still on the fence my dude I'm still not sure if I'm going to get the GM501. I may still cancel my order its a good thing its still on backorder this way I have time to think it over and do my own research. I'm really considering the ge63 RGB edition. Only negative is ge63 is noticibley thicker but its definitely cooler with 7 heatpipes and I think the sound system is better on it too. Advantage with GM501 is its noticeably thinner 144hz screen and g-sync but it looks like it runs like a toaster compared to the GE63.

 

Yea thats actually true. I spent a lot of my time monitoring the temps. I thought about GE63 but I always had used ASUS laptops and they never failed me.

If you plan on doing some serious heavy gaming with high intensive graphical games I'd probably go for something that isn't light/slim.

 

Heavy gaming is still doable in the GM501 but definitely not for long 4-8 hour sessions on max graphics.

 

Ya the Zephyrus M main selling point is the size of the laptop. Which makes a difference for me as well. I have to carry two laptops with me during my travel to work and I take the train into NYC everyday.

 

I actually play ESO a lot its a pretty demanding game. I'm trying to see if the zephyrus can handle it.

 

So I left CPUID Monitor on for a whole entire day while gaming heavy loads for a couple hours and taking a couple breaks here and there. Did this in a room with 75-78F with no cooling pad.

These are my max temperatures undervolted -0.07V. most of the time GPU stayed 74-82C, CPU stayed 72-84C.
For those who aren't up to date reading this thread, I have HIDevolution's Thermal Grizzly Conductonaut installed.

 

Take a look at this, It takes the underclock of the CPU into more detail

 

Thanks! I'd definitely take a look into it

 

I watched this video as well, Bob was nice enough to show us in the comments section which undervolt settings is best for the Zephyrus M with throttlestop. Core -.125 Cache -.050


I tested with no undervolt in BDO max graphic settings and within 10-15 minutes I was getting up to 91C on CPU and 84C on GPU quickly.


I undervolted following instructions in that Coffeelake throttlestop video except with the proper Core+Cache values that was stated in the Zephyrus M video. Played for a good 30 minutes in game with same max graphic settings and got a max of 84C CPU and 80C GPU. I did not lose any frames nor did I see any decrease in performance.


Anyways I'm probably going to try other games when I have time with these undervolt settings and see the results. I'm pretty sure medium to lighter intense games will run about less than 77C GPU and probably less than 80C CPU. I hope I provided enough basic information to help with temps. I can't imagine buying this thing with stock paste.

 

well it did help I actually feel comfortable with my preorder I might just stick my zephyrus M order now.

 

Btw is anyone having issues with their ROG aura core? Mine doesn't launch at all and I'm stuck with the same colors. tried everything to fix it like uninstalling/reinstalling but doesn't seem to work.

 

what is the issue?

 

It doesn't launch. It was working just fine the first few days then all of a sudden it doesn't launch. It shows its active in Task manager but doesnt pop up.

This is part of the gaming center that allows you to change the colors of the keyboard.

 

did you a reinstall?

 

*try

 

Yep I pretty much did everything as well as go to the ASUS website with the Zephyrus M drivers & tools and install their "keyboard hotfix." It didnt work.

 

what is the real issue is the keyboard brightness is not working or does it not change when you make a choice with the lighting, or does it now work at all?

 

Keyboard lighting is perfectly fine. I just don't have the option to change the colors anymore since the ROG Aura Core app isnt launching.

 

can you try going into the program file where you installed it and see if it works that way, sorry I cant help till tomorrow I have to getup for work.​

 

Found it. I pretty much tried deleting it and reinstalling it. It just don't seem to work that way as well.

 

It's finally here!!



@Phoenix do you still do the tweaks of yours? If so, can you pm me with the info? Thanks!

 

I tried to PM you but it says that I cannot start a conversation with you. You need to enable your Private Messaging

 

@Phoenix Just enabled PM. Please try again.

 

@Donald@HIDevolution I plan on buying the GM501 in the fall, with Conductonaut and the Fujipoly Extreme Thermal Pads. That said, I thought you might be interested in Mr. Fox's post in this thread: http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...-available-for-test-and-review.815439/page-38 (post #377.) As heatsink tolerances are not as tight as they should be in many laptops, adding a graphite thermal pad might really increase the cooling effectiveness. When the time comes, I would even be willing to supply the pad and let you guys test with it, if you want. Just an idea...

**Although if that new Razor 15 proves to be a decently cooled machine, I might go for it instead.**

 

Yes, we are doing R&D on that now. If we get similar results with BGA CPUs...who are we to turn down a good idea?

 

Hmm I am having the same problem too. Where did you find the installer? Can you sent it to me via PM? Thanks.