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sigh see how hard is it to keep it stupid ???? i need to learn here

 

you just gave me an idea for a new w90 sig, but displaying it publicly would probably get me assassinated.

 

send it to me in a PM


yea i was understanding what yall were saying but the way he said it made it so much easier and in the end, ended the arguement

 

man, i been running around working and im getting behind in replying..lol

where that gpu over clock at?..lol
i just need to see if it gains 2000 to 3000 points in gpu score.
and i ran that same test ken did for crysis, but in dual core mode and netted like a constant 30 fps very high @1920x1080 (using original crysis and no mods). i really need to make a video and upload it to youtube.

and i only test lower res because no one seems to want to leave that alone. you see in my sig why i have so many scores. it's to cover every aspect and high resolutions as well.

 

been working, i am at work.

however several people already posted similar. quad for instance all those people that were saying my overclock bios didnt work because there scoree did not change.

the reason why is they were cpu bound and the performance test is not demanding enough on the cards. if they were cpu bound on the x1 it will be even worse for me @ 2.0ghz on the A1

the gpu overclock isnt going to do anything on that test, if you dont understand that by now I wasted a lot of time tonight testing and explaining. :'(

 

I didnt make it yet but ill send it to you.

and we had no argument, its a debate thats what forums are for actually.

to debate things until a clear truth is found. many times people "know" they are right about something and they are wrong. I have been wrong before and I will admit when I am wrong however everything we have been talking about tonight is like one of my specialties, i kinda am kicking myself for even bothering to test it all since I knew it was going to come out the way it did, that was 2 hours of sleep I really needed lol.

 

no, i completely understood you testing from the first post. that was never really an issue.

i wanted to see you gpu over clock. this has nothing to do with cpu/fsb or anything else. just want to see how high you can over clock the gpu and what number it produces at that speed. now if you can't over clock the gpu higher than 550/880 or 600/900 then i guess i have my answer. and this works at any resolution. im looking for one simple thing. how high can you over clock a ati 4870 before it crashes during testing. im not looking for any technical explanation only the test it self.
example: i over clock my 9800m gtx and get 10,943 gpu
i don't over clock my 9800m gtx and i get 8,600 gpu

which has nothing to do with me changing any cpu/fsb/multiplier
see the points the gpu gained without changing anything? 2300 points on a gpu only over clock.

so you saying that it doesn't change much means nothing till you say john. here are the numbers i gained xx amount with gpu only over clock and here are the stock numbers.

im taking your cpu out of the whole equation right now. since it has no baring on how high you can over clock your gpus. are you with me now?

 

If your testing for stability use ATI tool artifact tester it puts 100% load and tells you if there are errors. If you insist on doing the game route then you still want to run the most gpu demanding one you can (custom extreme) as that will put a higher load on the card.

Its like saying you can run winamp to test for cpu stability instead of orthos or wprime because it uses a 10% cpu load instead of 100%

there is one program on my desktop that a is like artifact tester but it can go full screen and load both cards, thats the one I need to share but I forget what it is as its new to me.

Plus I did already run that bench john go hunt back in the thread, I didnt do gpu only runs but did full runs overclocked and not and it didnt change.

Plus it didnt change for anybody else.

This the last time I will say it.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4725990&postcount=41

10421 @ 2.75 610/955

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=4734915&postcount=4279

10225 @ 2.70 550/850

considering I got over 300 points in the more horrible gpu killing test out there with the same overclock, and there is 500mhz more on the first run, this shows that there is no difference.

 

nevermind. it's cool. i'll ask quadzilla to run it. thanks.

 

So your not comprehending the data, you already have what you need.

what are you looking for? my max overclock? I like 610/955 its stable

gpu score difference with only gpu overclock on low cpu speed? there is not one, quad himself already said that.

I have only a 200 point difference there with those two tests and there is 500mhz of cpu power boosting the higher one, and just last page I explained that due to fluctuations in a test you can get a very small boost in the hard to render areas.

to be a good teacher you must learn to be a good student, your not picking up on a lot of what I am telling/showing you.

lets break this down...

10421 @ 2.75 610/955

10225 @ 2.70 550/850

in the past post we figured 300mhz = 600 points so now we have 50mhz that would be 100 points.

So 10225 + 100 = 10325 VS 10421 less than 100 points for a massive gpu overclock and you can get probably 30 points of score varaition each time you run the test so thats almost completely within margin for error.

Then to cross reference this very same overclock made over a 300 point gain my my custom extreme tests. when the high & extreme tests already have lower gpu score values meaning its harder to gain points. In a ratio its probably worth about 500 points in performance or more but the cpu is binding it.

So, proof beyond a doubt that whas i said is true.

Do you agree or not?

 

and to try to over talk another teacher is not always wise either...

1: benchmarking and gaming are two different things. your clocks will always be higher at benchmarking. remember that.
2:610/955 <---is this the max you can run through a benchmark test with or can it go higher? (this is me asking not telling)

edit: not going for that point system either. it would have to be ran about 20 times over to prove valid. and out of 20 times ran you will start to understand.. because you don't even know if that's really your system max. it takes quite a bit of time to find that out. and running one or two test will not yield that answer.

 

I messed up my math performance gpu ~10000 extreme gpu ~3000

if I gained 300 points with the overclock in extreme that means that overclock is worth 900 points in performance. thats an even bigger gap.

running vantage back to back with the gpu overclock alone was one of the first things I did when i got vantage installed as I had high hopes it would not be so cpu bound, but it was.

so i did not record those runs but I have the knowldge in my head, I just wish you could take my word for something, but if you cant take the proof I have been posting.

yeah I had higher than 610/955 esp with my volt mod. I can probably push 640/970ish or so on the primary and dont knwo about the secondary.

I took my volt mod off my cards though since the overclock was only really good for extreme mode. Even high is still pretty cpu limited.

 

I can probably push 640/970ish <---- that was all i was looking for and it only took 4 hours to get it..lol

you guys get so wrapped up in all this technical explaining that you loose sight of the simpler things....


looks like the old sherriff is still in town...for a day or two...


to your cpu bottle neck...
check out the whole article if you haven't already...
http://www.guru3d.com/article/cpu-scaling-in-games-with-quad-core-processors/10

 

Did someone say Supreme Commander?

Love that game. I WILL NUKE YOU ALL.

Nothing personal.



=Hack

 

Nice John!

 

just pulled up my submitted scores.

my desktop got 12256 for gpu score on performance with my quad at 3.6ghz, so it should be almost identical for the W90.

http://service.futuremark.com/compare?3dmv=258120

 

You mean using 1066mhz rated ram or using 1333mhz rated ram and lowering the clock frequency (by lowering the FSB)?

With the first one, you won't be able to FSB pump as high compared to 1333mhz or higher.

We're trying to find out if that's the case, for both cards. We'll figure that another time, but if you are adamant about that info, check the G50Vt section and look for vantage scores and compare them with turbogear/fsb on and off.

We already know that for the ATi cards it's the case, but we're trying to figure out if it's the FSB pumping by itself that's causing the increase in GPU or simply the increase in clockspeed. So far, the evidence suggests both. Vicious' system scores around 8.8k GPU score at 2.0ghz. When upp'd to 2.75ghz, it jumps to 10.2k. Now compare those results with a stock non-OC/d W90Vp-X1 with a T9600 (firebird34's score, though other scores range from 9.8k to 10.3k stock). Scores around the same as Vicious' system (GPU score) with nothing done to it. There are also the other systems that start out at 9.8k stock, and go to 10.2k with turbo-gear on.

In order to substantiate this further, we'll need a system with a QX9300 installed or even an X9100 installed and compare the GPU results with a T9600 OC'd to roughly the same frequency and the Q9000 the same.

 

That's my boy right there! Breaking his own and setting a new record! That's what's up!

Vic: Instead of flashing, how bout you download AMD Gpu click tool? I made an easy to follow guide for the OCZ to overclock. I think via software you can push to 700/950 easily.

John, will you please post a link to my guide?

 

I need all audio sent over digitally to a receiver so I am trying to determine if I need anything more than a 3.5 male mono to RCA male patch cord. What software is used for the blueray and dvd viewing? Does it allow for a digital out signal? The S/PDIF is on the headphone out right? Can all audio be output digitally via the S/PDIF? Game, system, movie, I need everything going across digitally. I had a toshi that didnt allow that but figured it out after I spent my money and took it to AK where options were few.

I have searched but cannot find the english users manual online.....? Thanks

 

yes...a system with a qx9300...
ichime: i mean the timings. example... 5-5-5-15 to 5-6-6-18<-- this would be loosing them a bit. that's the easy part...the more complicated part would be changing the other settings that go with it....

link to tool
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=325944

 

Yes the included media software allows audio output via SPDIF.
Digital can also be set as default output in the drivers.

 

Probably not. The timings just controls how fast the read-write cycles are as opposed to how fast data is relayed. Basically with stability, you want memory that can operate at a high frequency so that you won't risk data corruption when upping the FSB. In the desktop side of things, most extreme memory manufacturers focus on upping ram speed to 2000mhz+ when a couple of years ago, the race was about lowering timings.

 

hummm, well there goes that possible offset out the window.

 

What do you think the best DDR2 memory is today for my W90 as i would like to get the most out of the Qx9300 ?.

 

was thinking the same thing as you

 

Ram stop me too

 

Lol i was going to ask the same thing, well i think i may have earlier in this thread and never got a response. Im going to go do some RAM hunting myself and see what i can come up with. I think the fastest ddr2 sodimm is pc6400, at least that's all Ive found thus far. Ill check back in later.

 

Ya i figured i would ask Ichime since he seems to know his stuff when it comes to Ram .

 

what timings should i set my ram to. i am set to 9-9-9-? 1333mhz.

 

Best stuff Im finding is pc6400 (800mhz) @ 5-5-5-15

OCZ2M8004GK although a few other brands have the same timings as well, some are only 5-5-5-18 though >.<

 

NarcissisticBenchRunners

STOP USING THE SAME AVATAR!!! I can't differantiate you guys and I get all confused reading this thread.

 

haha ya i actually am noticing that to.

 

what about 4-4-4-12 thru 15

nope. it shows unity.

 

Lol. yeah me to.

 

Oh my god.. Did we just quadruple post?! I've had trouble following threads too

 

mr moo and fasial hero needs to join. i posted something at the nbr thread

 

Well i cant find anything that low @ manufacture defaults, if you have please let me know

 

So just issued an RMA from Newegg....I can't believe that I have to spam refresh again.... I'm going to kill someone!

 

well dont kill me please!! Im still waiting on mine.

 

Anyone considered going 12Gb RAM ?

 

not till 4 gig sticks are like 50 bucks each lol

 

Good news my order is in phase 2. Woohoo!!!!!! Hopefully they have a sheet that shows what they did and test scores. Eff it, im going to call en and ask

 

The beauty is waking up each day and getting 3-4 fresh pages in this thread.

 

yep i agree

 

I wish we could find a way to prove Asus is indeed selling refurbished as brand new!!!Would be a good lawsuit right there.I fell like i got a return as well with the red and blue stucked pixel on the left hand side.You can detect right on boot.Hey Asus , stop trying to fool people here OK?Or i will have to talk with my lawyer uncle.Oh wait,my uncle is not a lawyer.Hey Vicious ,are a lawyer?
Never mind...

 

use opera browser to spam refresh for ya

 

Anything at 800mhz (PC2-6400/DDR2-800), which is the highest right now for DDR2 SODIMMs. Lower latency is a bonus. I think G.Skill has low latency PC2-6400 SODIMM sticks for a good price.

If those are the default timings (which seems to be the case because every 1333mhz SODIMM stick I found had 9-9-9-24 timings), I don't think you can go any lower without upping the voltage. The OCZ BIOS doesn't allow you to tinker with voltage and memory settings, but I think the Intel XTU allows you to do it.

 

im here i am here.... i was up playing l4d until 5 am ..... i just woke up at 5pm and my god was it a nice sleep


how much of a performance hit we talking here for changeing the ram timeings. I still have 1066 for mine and i am thinking of getting some 1333 just waiting to know if its worth it




....i did have a humungus sig so it shouldn't have been a problem
there yall go my Avatar is changed

 

Hey Striker,
Someone got your old RMAed W90:

Issues with Crossfire
Reviewed By: Tekian on 4/12/2009 Tech Level: high - Ownership: 1 week to 1 month
This user purchased this item from Newegg
Pros: The laptop itself is amazing. If you tweak the individual speaker volumes via Realtek, you can yield some amazing sound. The screen is awesome. Very vivid, and the Splendid profiling system allows you to change the coloring scheme on the fly. Graphics on one card are amazing. Truly the most powerful laptop I've ever used (2.8 with a warranty-covered overclock past 3.2Ghz = amazing)
Cons: As I said. One graphics card. If I have it in Crossfire, any 2D interfaces or items will twitch and flicker like mad. No idea why. Sometimes in some games I'll get shadowy-thick scanlines. Not THAt noticable..but they're still there. I've updated drivers and everything. Disabling Crossfire is the only thing that seems to fix all these issues at the moment. Most likely a bad secondary card out of a recent batch (I'm assuming the secondary card is made separate considering it's flashed with a different vBIOS). Aside from that, the DVD drive literally sounds like it's about to explode anytime it runs at full speed. The drive vibrates in the optical bay and causes a crazy amount of sound. After you start watching a movie, it settles down a bit. Also, a minor annoyance is my keyboard, which for some reason registers one keystroke as two on various occasions. (i.e. I may sometimes type Google as Gooogle. Nothing major).
Other Thoughts: I'll most like RMA this laptop because of what seems to be various manufacturing defects. Beyond the shoddy secondary card, spaz-tastic DVD drive, and the keyboard, this is probably one of my best laptops. Its built like a tank, just as everyone says. No flex. No creaking. Workmanship on this is off to chart.

 

....How can anyone after listing off all those problems call the workmanship off the charts? The broad term of "workmanship" falls into the manufacturing element as well.