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    W3j Owners Lounge

    Discussion in 'ASUS Reviews and Owners' Lounges' started by Brigand21, May 25, 2006.

  1. robohgedhang

    robohgedhang Notebook Evangelist

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    You forgot to install the wireless console.
     
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    thanks for the tip
     
  3. Angie

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    I recently read a review of the 2G W3j and it seems very good with most of the cons of the 1G was addressed. Has any1 in here had problem(s) with this 2G one?
     
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    2G meaning second generation A.K.A. the W3J-? I've had a couple of issues but still find the laptop completely worth it and recommend it for anyone wanting power in mobile, compact package.

    ~ Brett
     
  5. Angie

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    Are those problems really bothering you? What are they exactly and by the way, the color of the lid is somewhat dark grey on this one, rite? Because i seem to remember the color of the 1G was aluminum silver :)

    ps: does the w3j seems to be thick to you? i just watched a vid of it and it seems to be really thick, thicker then the A8J. But then when i read the dimensions of both, the A8j measures are higher???
     
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    ClearSkies Well no, I'm still here..

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    The problem with most videos, including the fantastic ones posted by Eddie at BTOTech.com on his site, is that there is no frame of reference that your eyes can use for comparison or perspective on things like relative size. Published heights of W3 1.25-1.5", A8js 1.37-1.46" ....... what you're seeing is the visual effect of the styling for the models; w3 is more curved, a8 more squared.
     
  7. Angie

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    Thanks ClearSkies for ur response. Maybe i should pay a visit to the local store soon :D
     
  8. coriolis

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    Curves = Good thing :D
     
  9. Nrbelex

    Nrbelex Notebook Deity NBR Reviewer

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    My issues were:

    a. Arrived with bad RAM - easily and quickly replaced by dealer - diagnosis was annoying as heck though and Memtest86+ didn't pick it up.
    b. Arrived with cracked and extremely loud super-multi drive. Replaced by Asus in one week as expected.
    c. Video drivers - the video card is extremely powerful for a laptop of this size... but getting it to work without issues is another story. Luckily, once you have a working version pinned down to optimize performance and stability, this issue becomes moot.

    ~ Brett
     
  10. Deus

    Deus Notebook Consultant

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    Can people please let me know what version their MMC driver is at?
     
  11. Genaro

    Genaro Notebook Guru

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    I think this is what your asking for, if not, I'm sorry....

    "Ricoh MMC Host Controller" Driver version: 1.0.0.6
     
  12. Deus

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    I do not get it. I have the same exact version and it does not work. I wonder what the conflict is???
     
  13. Genaro

    Genaro Notebook Guru

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    It appears there is a newer version on the Asus drivers page, have you tried the newer one as well? Version 1.01.04 I think it was.
     
  14. Deus

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    I downloaded that, it is still 1.0.0.6 I checked the file version on it
     
  15. LatinoHeat

    LatinoHeat Notebook Consultant

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    since this is the w3j owners lounger...could anyone make a w3j owners drivers and tool thread.

    that way we could keep track of all latest drivers and tools for the w3j, and if they could lock the thread so no one could post comments, just use it as a resource guide or something. just an opinion for w3j owners. I myself am anxiously waiting for drivers and bios updates for me to move on to vista successfully.
     
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    When my copy of Vista arrives, you can be sure that I'll post all the steps necessary to perform a solid upgrade on a W3J. Until then, you'll have to look to someone else. Almost all if not all the needed drivers are in the drivers thread floating around here.

    ~ Brett
     
  17. LatinoHeat

    LatinoHeat Notebook Consultant

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    thanks, and you are right that most drivers are floating around here, that's way a special section would help that all drivers will be listed there (at least all drivers releases officially.
     
  18. Angie

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    Hello everyone and Happy New Year to all of you who celebrate Lunar New year, I've recived my W3j yesterday and I absolutely love this lappy. However, after a bit playing around with it, I'm concerned about some issues:

    1. Light leakage at the bottom, at the highest peak of the arch, it's about 1/6 of the width of the screen.
    2. The battery is a bit loose.
    3. The DVD drive when loaded is kinda loud.
    4.The fan run quite loud and hot even when i'm only sufring the net (I didn't install clean XP on it). It's very audible even with alot of noise in the bakground.
    Is there any fix on these issues? I'm thinking if i should send back this lappy for a replacement? Please give me advices -.-
     
  19. Brainonska511

    Brainonska511 Notebook Consultant

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    1. Don't have this problem myself; maybe talk to Asus or the reseller to see if you can get a replacement. Sometimes light-leakage reduces with time.
    2. My battery is the same way; a little wiggling, but nothing serious.
    3. Same on mine (not so bad if watching a DVD, only when it spins up/installing stuff)
    4. I agree on the fan, but it only happens when my laptop is plugged in. I bet I could reduce the amount of times it goes on by setting PowerPlay to its lowest setting when using AC power. It is hot air because it is the only exit for air in the system, which is running a MR X1600 and a processor of some kind, so it is expected. I'd rather have hot air blowing out the vent than having the keyboard or palm rests become really hot.
     
  20. Angie

    Angie Notebook Enthusiast

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    My w3j blows hot air almost constantly, both with battery and without it. The palm rest and keyboar just get kind of warm since my hands are always cold so I'm not sure if it's hotter than usual. My CPU temp reads around 54oC and HD 47oC when idling, is it normal?
     
  21. rhcpcrony

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    yea thats pretty normal. I have it set on "presentation" mode or lower when im not doing intensive stuff, and it gets around those temps. It really starts blowing hot air when I game or have it on "super performance". Its just that it has a lot of power for a small laptop.
     
  22. Angie

    Angie Notebook Enthusiast

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    Thanks for the help. Can any1 give me a list of useful sofwares to keep in this lappy since this is my first time buying Asus product.
     
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    hmm not that much leakage with mine but 2,3,4 sound normal

    concerning the fan however, thats just what happens when you have a x1600 in a 14" lappy frame..this thing makes considerably more heat than something with integrated or even the x1400...hopefully this isn't a real problem for you since thats normal for a gaming machine of this size
     
  24. Angie

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    I also have a few question:

    What is TPM and how can i enable it? Is it necessary? I read somewhere in the forum that it is not that important???
    Is there any way to control the fan speed and temp? What is the ideal temp to set it at?
    And what kind of software i should reinstall after a clean XP install on this lovely machine?
     
  25. Brainonska511

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    The TPM (Trusted Platform Module) can be turned on in the BIOS (Security tab) if you have one in your computer. It is just another security feature available in the notebook. I don't know if there is a way to control fan speed, but a way to control temps would be to set your GPU into power-saving mode for AC power and just undervolt the processor and underclock the GPU.

    I never did a clean install, just used the factory reset twice now (once b/c of a virus, once b/c it was time for a system cleanup). But I pretty much use everything that was preinstalled except for the Splendid video program and Norton (promptly uninstalled and replaced with AntiVir and Comodo).
     
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    Like this guy above my post seems to be getting at is that there doesnt seem to be too much information concerning keeping the w3j cool when not using the x1600. The problem that though this laptop is amazing in just about every other aspect, the laptop can get quite irritating (to me atleast) when I am using it for normal stuff like surfing, or using word, and other really minimal tasks. It would seem like a lot of extraneous hardware or clock speed is being used to make the laptop that hot during normal usage. What would cause this much heat when so little is being done? And is there anything I could do to undervolt, underclock or disable whatever is causing this heat during normal usage?

    Any help is much appreciated, and sorry if this has already been stated.
     
  27. Brainonska511

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    You could try using NHC to control processor clock speeds when running on A/C power. As for the graphics card, you could first try setting powerplay to the "most battery life" part of the chart for when it is on A/C power or you could probably use ATI Tool to underclock the GPU.
     
  28. m1 grant

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    yes but does atitool allow you to turn down the Gpu voltage when you turn down the clockrate? And, does NHC actually scale the voltage of the cpu properly? Ive heard of a lot of problems with NHC in that matter.
     
  29. ClearSkies

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    NHC controls the voltage fine since the patches came out, but the problem with the C2D and CD processors is that Intel limited the min voltage to 0.95 (as opposed to the P-M, which was unlocked), which minimizes the effect on heat that undervolting can play at the lowest multiplier. Undervolting the higher multipliers can help reduce the heat generated when the cpu steps upward, but only to a point and probably not enough to make a substantial difference in end system temps during minimal use when the cpu multiplier is already going to be spending most if it's time at the bottom anyway.

    NHC is supposed to allow underclocking the x1600 gpu (I don't know about voltage; I think it only runs mem/core speeds), which Asus already installed at lower clock speeds from spec because of the thermal management challenges posed by the W3 chassis - there is very little room in there for airflow, and the intakes aren't all that big either, so heat builds up from the graphics prowess the x1600 brings (as opposed to other gpu options or the Igpu of the z63 series which was built on the same chassis). Powerplay can be a simple approach to limit the mem/core speeds by using the battery life settings, and as a result reduce the heat generated by the gpu. The hard drive can also be a significant source of heat in the W3 series, due to placement and position in the airflow pattern.

    The question of whether the W3 is too hot or generates too much heat has been debated since the W3V was introduced a couple of years ago. The unfortunate fact remains, as pointed out above and previously, that when you cram that much in high-end components into a little box it is going to generate a lot of heat and that heat then has to go somewhere besides the inside of the frame. There are limits to what can be done to minimize the heat that is generated by those components as a result of the design dynamics of the chassis and arrangement of the pieces affecting internal air travel paths.

    The W3j is a high-end gaming machine at heart, stuffed into a little box, and it creates the same amount of heat as the comparably equipped larger 15.4 machines, but those have the benefits of more interior space to manage it (resulting in lower temps of the outflow air). It is certainly true that for simple tasks like wp, internet etc the W3j is *way* overpowered and the prowess of the components' operating speed and capability results in excess heat and wasted cpu cycles etc. But, the reason you buy that kind of machine is also because the "problem" that surfaces during minimal use allows it to smoke along under demanding conditions. You get what you paid for (high-perfomance) in that regard ;).
     
  30. m1 grant

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    Actually with the right combo of software and settings I have gotten reasonably cool, I'll see if I cant tweak it some more. If enough people seem interested I might even go ahead make a lil' guide for cooling this thing down, when I find time that is.
     
  31. Brainonska511

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    Does it really get that hot? I hear the fan come on every now and then when something starts to eat up processor time, but for normal web surfing, this thing is nearly silent and pretty cool (warm air slowly exiting the vent).
     
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    I don't think it ever gets as hot as people claim it to get. I play games for hours on end on my W3J including the new Supreme Commander and the keyboard top, palm rests, and underneath the laptop never gets alarmingly hot. This is in a closed room with no air conditioning in southern california. The only hot part is the air being expelled which is a good thing. I love my W3J =D
     
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    its hot enough that i wouldn't want to use it on my lap for more than 30minutes...my friend's dell..or my mom's t42 both can be used for hours at a time without discomfort..that said neither of those have the x1600..is unfortunate that there's no way to completely undervolt the x1600 to make it usable as a laptop in the literal sense but thats the compromise that must be made for a 14" with a decent gpu
     
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    yea same here, it does get hot when i have it in super performance and doing extreme stuff like gaming, other that it's nothing unusual.
     
  35. Brainonska511

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    I have no problem using my laptop on my lap (whether it is plugged in or on battery power). I guess mine just never gets as hot as yours.
     
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    The heat vent on the left should be annoying.And the bit below the palm-rest...
     
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    Should be annoying? To be honest its not annoying at all in my experience. Sure if you put your hand right next to it, the warm air does make your hand moist, but if you just move the mouse pad down another 4 inches and you're in the clear xD
     
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    anyone having problems with the new catalyst 7.2 drivers? ccc doesnt seem to show up anymore. i upgraded from catalyst 6.10 after uninstalling it and using drivercleaner. it's pretty wierd i gotta say.
     
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    Once when I was doing major picture editing with Photoshop, Bridge and the RAW importing program open... while listening to music with iTunes (a resource hog)... while using Google Earth... while browsing on Firefox with 31 tabs open... the vent started to get pretty hot. I couldn't hold my hand on it for more than 15 seconds or so before I felt like I had to move it. Granted, that was a pretty bizarre day...

    I'm using the Omega's based on 7.1 with no problems. Can't speak to 7.2 though.

    ~ Brett
     
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    I've got Raven Shield's VEGAS on my W3J now and it definitely puts the notebook to its paces. I can only run it at 800x600 for playability and the game even tells me that my processor is below the minimums! In the past, my systems always met the minimums and also exceeded the recommended. Now games are getting to the point that you have to buy a new system just to keep up every six months. Its crazy! It's almost like the software has gotten too far ahead of the hardware these days. It used to be the opposite.
    TeF
     
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    Hmm, I just today upgraded from 7.1 to 7.2, also using drivercleaner. CCC seems to be less eye-candy, but everything works.

    Maybe you should check your .net settings, there is a version 3.0 available thru windows update.
     
  42. Angie

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    Does anyone here have their laptop occasionally frozen on websurfing or opening programs (ie photoshop)? Mine does it very often these days and i've had it for only a week now. When i open the task manager, I always have 61 processes running and most of them seem to be system files. Is there anyway to fix this. I kept losing work everytime mine freezes.
     
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    Upgrade drivers...
    Little free disk space can cause this too.(cache, you know).Clear firefox cache.
    Hope it'll help.
     
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    How come my W3J can't play DVD using windows media player. It kept asking me to adjust my resolution or something....
     
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    check my .net settings? how would i go about doing that? i've had 3.0 installed before catalyst 7.2 came out.
     
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    its not that software is ahead of hardware, its that laptops have not so good hardware when compared to a desktop... if you want long lasting playability then buy a desktop... want portability then buy a laptop, just realize that it will not play games very well for very long
     
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    Does anyone have Vista installed on their W3j and tried to connect a Zune to it? I think I may have a unique, and annoying problem. :/
     
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    for all you people w/ hot W3Js I would suggest just turning Powerplay to Battery Optimized all the time. Even when your plugged in. It makes a huge difference in heat generated. When you do want to play games or overclock, then turn up settings to max performance and then overclock then game! :) It's pretty simple. I practically use my laptop on my lap for hours now.
     
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    My system rarely freezes, but I do get IE crashing on me periodically.

    my list of processes running is just slightly lower - around 55 or so. I'd love to know the best way to get rid of the crap. I feel like the system is running slower than it should (i'm pretty religious about spyware sweeps and anti-virus, so it shouldn't be that).
     
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    I've had mine since July last year, never freezes while web surfing and I run Photoshop all the time, it has never frozen I was just working on a large 400mb layered file, A0 200dpi and apart from the opening and saving times, it ran fine.

    go to start/run then type MSCONFIG and choose startup then you can turn off and on the processes that run when you start up.

    Also Mew1838, I have played DVDs through media player and it seems to run fine, although I find windows media 10 comes up with more errors than windows media 9 which was solid.
     
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