Asus A8Jr With Ati X2300!!

But the Santa Rose platform will feature DX10 right? What the use of purchasing it then if developers not going to adapt to DX10 (in a short time)?

 

Preparing for the future, DX10 will come, only at this point no one knows how fast... But probably by the time the market has switched to DX10 there will already be newer and better DX10 platforms then the ones that are soon to be released..

 

Well the reason people want to know to wait or not is because a lot of us are drawn to notebooks because they are long term companions. With my desktop systems I was always swapping out parts and reinstalling and the end result is that you never really settle down with a setup.

At this point we've waited for 64 bit, then dual core, now DX10. I think those features assure you long term compatibility. I understand in Europe notebooks have a different role, but in America with our wide open spaces, a half dozen desktops and monitors in our den is an afterthought so consciously choosing to give that up for a notebook instead represents a computing lifestyle decision.

 

Well I respect your opinion MGW, but in reality cool games with ultra-cool graphics sell video cards, not the other way around... The same phenomenon as with consoles, (take WII for example, Legend Of Zelda is THE game that's selling this console)...

So I think that once people in masses start seeing what DX10 new shader set is capable of, then there's no way DX9 stands a chance. It has happened before with VooDoo and 3DFX cards... They where way too expensive but due to the coolness and innovating factor people bought them and made them the most popular graphics card back then.

Marketing is another point to consider and you know M$ when it comes to marketing...

Franchising is other selling point, take Halo2 for example... Not everyone likes to play on consoles, so the other option is? Yes, you got that right... DirectX 10 capable machines...

Peace!
RayanMX

 

Well sure there will be people running out buying DX10 hardware, graphics do sell hardware. But i just don't think people will be running for it, because allot of people don't have the money to upgrade their system every few months.... Atleast not here In the netherlands 8800GTX with DX10 ofcourse now costs €559... thats $725....

Btw.. thanks for respecting my opinion.. i also respect the opinion from others

 

I'm sorry, english isn't my native language, could you please say that in another way... using a little less difficult words , i understand the rest of your post.. only having trouble understanding that last sentince..

Thanks

 

Well, I only interest in how the Santa Rose & DX10 will perfrom in Vista, am not a hard-core gamer myself so a DX10 will not get me excited lol.....

I too, respect all opinions here. Cheers!

 

I don't think it's your English, it was just a little vague.

... a half dozen desktops and monitors in our den is an afterthought so consciously choosing to give that up for a notebook instead represents a computing lifestyle decision.

...because we mostly live in large houses we have plenty of room for several big desktop computers and monitors. So having space for a computer is usually not an issue. So we don't buy notebooks because they are smaller. We buy them for other reasons.

Of course I'm kind of generalizing Europe having only been there twice.

 

so basically from all the post i have read so far, X2300 is the only video card that will be DX10, also making it the first asus notebook equipped with DX10 period. any word from Nvida's side yet?
with vista coming out within a week, i am sure both apprent companies (ATI & Nvidia) are rushing out to bring customers DX10 capability's to consumer laptops. if you check newegg website there are already tons of video cards that support DX10 for the desktop platform. i am also sure the videocard prices will fall dramatically within the month or two.

 

lol, ok then

Well you probably will have bigger houses there, but here it's also not unusual to have 2-3 desktops.. Don't know what u use notebooks there for, but i'm now also looking for a new laptop now for taking to school, and because they cost a lot of money i immediatly want to do it right, so also want to be able to game at it...

I'm waiting for the G1 because i like the fact that it's 15.4" and has pretty good gaming preformance, but it isn't released here yet. But this means the DX10 thing also makes me doubt if i should wait or not... But i also think, if you wait for someting better, you can wait forever, because the technique will always move on.. but then again.. a lot of money and really want to spend it right!!

 

don't worry about it, i read that sentence several times and i still don't quite get it...

 

U just set your target there, wait for G1 in DX10 or the G3 that r coming out in a later date (may be with Santa Rose). Dont wait beyond that u r set to get the notebook that u want most

 

LOL good to hear that Maybe my english isn't so bad afterall...

That probably would be the best thing for me to do, only thing is, how long will that take, plus G1 is available in the US and some part of europe voor like.. 2 months or so.. and still not here, hope it doesn't take so long with the DX10 machines..

 

Ok I found this interesting website that talks about the X2300 and from what they are saying it sounds like its more on level with the X1450 and is not DX10 at all.

This is the text as translated by Google, if anyone understands French and can give a clearer translation that would be appreciated.
http://www.hardware.fr/news/8554/radeon-x2000-avant-heure.html

 

LOL! Online translations are funny! I didn't know Asus is planning to kill it's customers!

Ok, ok, seriously, it's disappointing to hear the X2300 is a refresh of the X1400 level GPU with no DX10. I would prefer to hear this from ATI(AMD) in press release to be sure. Vista, once mass-adopted, will render this GPU essentially useless unless you plan on using DX9.0 L all the way.

 

Yea I canot vouch for the accuracy of the French site, it could very well be wrong. Seems weird that ATI would introduce a non DX10 GPU when DX10 is right around the corner, or is it? Perhaps this is just a lot of hype to soon.

 

No, there were a few other DX10 laptops previewed at the recent CES. I believe this is the first up for ASUS though. See my previous posts about numbering schemes not always meaning this is full featured next gen (DX10) part though. I haven't seen specs, benchamarks, statistics yet on any of the DX10 notebooks. We'll have to wait and see. At this point all anyone has is an anouncment of new stuff coming soon. Hopefully ASUS and ATI/AMD will speak up soon.

 

I saw a list about a month ago of the ati roadmap. It showed ati x2300, it called it r610
It also said it was the first dx 10 card it would release.

Theres nothing any more correct about what Im remembering than the posts that say it is a x1450.

But theres nothing any less correct about it either. If someone has an actual example of it well know for sure.

 

I've waited for my notebook for like a year and when i finalle got my G1 suddenly I start needing DX10.. all I have to say Is i Hate MS...Anyone Knows if we'll be able to Upgrade our notebook's gpu to newer Dx10 ones? maybe not the most powerful gpus but Dx 10 at all...

 

I know what you mean, i want to buy a laptop and am seriously looking at the G1, but i rather have it with a DX10 GPU.. only you just can't tell when they will be available... (atleast the ones capable of delivering a good gaming preformance).. So you might have waited again for a long time.. About upgrading the G1s GPU i thought i heard stamar once stay that it would be posible in theory if you are able to find a GPU that had the same size and everything... please correct me if i'm wrong..

 

ok here are my 2 cents on this. this is going to be long so take a breath.

first off x2300 is a directx10 card. if it were a remake of the x1300 then i would be called an x1*** card not a x2*** card which is ati directx 10 series card. another thing was asus was suppose to be hush hush about the card until vista launched but they broke the silence. ati is not revealing there dx10 series info until after that. while the x1600 and x1800 cards might outperform x2300 on dx9 games they wont on dx10 games, simply because they dont meat dx10 specifications, of which i think is a unified architecture, shader level 4 and something else i dont remember. im was going to get a laptop but since dx10 is coming out im waiting now. since you cant upgrade laptop video cards since mxm technology never took basically your stuck with the laptop for a couple years unless you have cash burn on getting a new one 6 months down the road. go ahead and get a g1 but in a year when dx10 games really pick up and you wish had a laptop with dx10 card dont complain.

i think with dx10 and microsoft releasing the 360 wireless controller dongle pc gaming is really going explode in the next few years. dx10 makes it alot easier for devolopers to code games for, since all graphics cards have to meet the specs for them to be a dx10 card meaning they wont have to make different code for diff card(i.e. ati or nvid). now the games usually made for consoles will be able to reach pc market since you know have a standard game controller(360 controller) and you dont have to worry about what video card you have to code for to meet a minimum spec, just code game to meet dx10 standards and the min req will be a dx10 certified card. so basically remeber this there is dx10 capable and dx10 certified (youll be hearing this alot more now) when it come to graphics card. so basically i would get a a8jr over other a8j series because its vid card is dx10 certified. dx10 is pc gamings savior and while it make take a year to adobt when it does pc gaming will be open to every averge joe because new pcs being made are going to have those dx10 certified cards and that means a bigger pc market for devs which mean more game for us pc gamers soon we'll be saying goodbye to consoles and there stupid pay to upgrade transactions. updates are free on pc, not to mention mods

 

Hello world.

I was already about to order a A8Jp when I read the announcement of the A8Jr, so I decided to wait and see first.

When do you guys roughly expect the A8Jr to be available? Do you think it may hit stores within the next weeks?

I fear Asus won't deliver any new products before CeBIT, which will take place by end of March. Also I expect a lot of Vista-specific enhancements like those auxiliary displays (called "slide show" by MS) and hybrid HDDs to be integrated in several series, so it's an inconvenient time to buy a laptop, isn't it?

 

84 - man, I really have to disagree with you here.

I'll agree that the x2300 is likely a DX10 part, but no one can say for sure. As I showed in my previous post sometimes the marketing numbering scheme doesn't really mean anything. Please prove me wrong - provide a link. Not just for the sake of this thread but there are many other people interested in the new R600 mobile parts. The problem is that ATI/AMD and all of their business partners are keeping the news hush for the time being.

As for your comments about DX10 vs DX9, I think you are totally wrong. There is a lot more to gaming than the level of DX support. For example take the current DX10 games nearing release (Crysis and Alan Wake). Both of them will play reasonable well with top of the line DX9 cards (x1900, 7800). They both offer support for DX10 only features. But neither of them will be playable with anything above the lowest settings on an x2300 (assuming the x2300 is similar to an x1400 with DX10 support). If you do play them on low settings with your x2300, you won't get any advantage out of the DX10 capability because the card will be overwhelmed trying to build the basic gameplay.

DX10 is not the all unifying standard you seem to think it is. Its a new level of instuctions available to the GPU. It doesn't mandate a certain amount of memory, shading power, or anything else.

There will be some features in DX10 that DX9 cards can't do, but you will never get fewer FPS out of an x1900/Go7800 (or even your old 9800) than you will from an x2300. By the time game makers move to DX10 only, the original entry level DX10 cards will be obsolete as well.

While I'm on record of saying that we don't know what the x2300 is because the official announcment hasn't happened (I'm pretty conservative like that). I will go on the record of saying that there will not be game released that performs "better" on an x2300 than it does on a x1900/Go7800. If you haven't paid attention from any of the previous GPU revision updates - you'll see. This discussion happens every time.

 

Hi, I found this on newegg:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16834220136

According to the specs, the x2300 has 128MB dedicated video memory, and up to 896MB Hyper Memory. How does that compare to a go7400? I just want to play games at mid. settings with some decent fps.

I was ready to buy this notebook, but then I saw the cpu, which is a t5500(1.6MHz). I suppose that's not good at all so I'm holding off.

Anyone know where I can buy this notebook with a better cpu?

 

I would buy an A8JP instead. The x2300 is nothing more than a revised version of the X1450. There is no DX10 support on the x2300.

 

So do you have a reference for this??? Not that it will matter much, performance wise, but a lot of people were hoping this was a DX10 card... so please let everyone know where you got your information.

Thanks!

 

http://ati.amd.com/products/mobilityradeonx2300/specs.html

Straight from AMD/ATI's site. A little googling never hurt anybody.

 

isnt the a8js with the go7700 still better than this then? what was the point of releasing a new R model?

 

Mobility™ Radeon® X2300 - Specifications

Mobility™ Radeon® X2300 Product Features

* 105 million transistors using 90nm fabrication process
* 4 pixel shader processors
* 2 vertex shader processors
* 128-bit 4-channel DDR1/DDR2/GDDR3 memory interface


No thank you. get the x1700. i dont even see direct x10 support on this spec sheet. i knew it was too early for dx10 on laptops

 

Oh no wait a second, that is not as good as an ati x1450. Something is wrong here with the specs on the ati site.

I would look forward to seeing a owner review this because we have had a lot of conflicting information on nbr.

 

Thank you ra990, two days ago that info either wasn't up, or I missed it, because I searched the intel radeon site and wasn't able to find anything. So today is the first time I see the specs for the x2300.
Don't want to wait any longer, so I will probably go with a go7700, but still have that feeling that I'm getting something obsolete, plus I know once those dx10 cards do come out, prices will go down on DX9 cards. God did I chose a bad time to break my laptop

 

Think of the x2300 as a x1400 with less power consumption.

 

daniel_g

just go for it man. dx9 will be around for a long while dont be so afraid of getting an obsolete notebook because fact most notebooks have similar lifespans. it will be awhile before dx10 becomes mainstream on notebooks

 

Yea dx10 is all hype right now. It won't matter until at least a year or two from today.

 

X2300 is not a DX10 part. If you want a good place to answer your question regarding spec on any GPU or Mobile GPU part go here.

http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=100&card2=318

 

Ok so you gave us a link to a gpu database that doesnt include the ati x2300.

 

sorry, i haven't read everything but, does anyone know if the x2300 battery life? and if so by how much?

 

Relax there dilweed, that part was just released those other than stamar who could use a good data base for GPU both mobile and desktop use the link provided above.

 

Hows the review on this laptop, really thinking of buying it. Also can X2300 run WoW with full settings?

 

Does anyone know how to access the second memory slot, if any? I know it's usually under the keyboard for ASUS models but not this one.

 

if it isn't under the keyboard it is under a panel on the under carriage of the computer.

 

What do you mean panel under the carriage? I'm sorry. This is my first laptop and I don't know much about them and don't want to destroy it while trying to greedily install more ram when I don't even know if it needs it yet (although I already bought the memory and it's just sitting there on it's own).

The more I look into my A8JR, the more I'm convinced that there is only one slot, even though every website specification I look at says there are 2 slots. I found the first slot, that was straightforward, but the second one is either out of reach or I haven't tried to look into it's vicinity yet.

Edit: Nevermind folks. I found it staring at me right in the eye. It's right above the first slot.....just not at the same level. This is definitely a laptop newbie moment for me here.