Asus C90 Pre-Review Requests

You should make 3dmark the priority I think Ken to confirm Eddies findings or relieve alot of people with the performance issues in mind.

Its going to be a sleepless day for me, have things to do with the wife and kids, and then somewhere along the line when the C90 gets here I will be up working on it all day untill I have to go to work. Then work all night (im brining the c90 with me tho ;P)

 

It's not so bad either way. You get the same performance as an IFL90 at approximately the same price with hdmi in the lappy.

 

3DMark06

System setup:
CPU 6700 2.66GHz
3GB RAM
160GB 7200rpm SATA
Standard mode no overclock

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FEAR SP Demo

 

uhmm..that score is not good, isnt it?

 

Eww.........

 

Its better than my desktops

 

Yeah not so great, a retest in "game mode" now

I suppose the first logical step to take is find what the stock clocks are supposed to be for the 8600gt and see if it has been downclocked. If its downclocked for power save mode or something and not going to where its supposed to in game mode. Then manually overclocking the card to the right speeds should fix it.

 

Could someone test CoH at max settings? I would very much appreciate it!

 

That's great for being underclocked... I would like to see the FEAR test again once you speed it up. And AA tests with FEAR and 3DMarks too, although I know you are going to be busy!

Just bought mine from Gentech this morning about 2:30am. Will get it Monday at the latest (hopefully) :GEEK:

 

Congrats! Yeah I am not worried anymore because yes the gpu comes underclocked compared to the g1s gpu just like the sager 2090 people experienced. Only thing we are sacrificing is overclocking ability really.

Also don't get too hopeful about monday. They are trying to get out all of the pre-orders by friday, I ordered 2.5 weeks ago and its shipping tomorrow. Also they are in cali and I am in Fl so I should expect it by next friday with ground shipping. But yeah yours will probably be shipped next week sometime, or maybe even tomorrow.

 

Its not underclocked its just not overclocked. ^^ as far as we know the game mode only overclocks the cpu. It was just my guess that the bad scores were due to the gpu being underclocked in a power save mode. But I dont have in confirmed yet.

 

Underclocked relative term. Underclocked compared to the stock g1 speeds. The sager 2090/compal ifl90 experienced the very same thing though I think that only a few (1 person?) actually has it so they did not come up with a solution.

Also the power modes had nothing to do with the gpu I thought? I could be wrong. I was under the impression the different modes only applied to the cpu.

 

same, thats the impression. However its my hypothisis at this point that they have incoporated the gpu into the mix to save power, and that there may be a flaw in the software thats keeping the gpu from going to max when in the correct mode.

Its just guess work at this point, mine can be here any minute and I will start to put it together. Then I can get in on the mix and see what I can figure out.

 

Yeah I think it is the lower stock settings for this card. If you can test the clock and overclock it and see how far only the memory goes this will be me:



Dont know why I am a pirate...

 

Thanks alot for the hard work ken.
Either way the scores are respectable and will be bumped up a bit when Ken runs the tests in Gaming mode even if the GPU speed isn't increased. I agree with Vicious on this one though, when you look at the hard ware everything is up to snuff, so I would say its probably a poor implementation of Asus's power saving program. We'll probably find out over the next 24 hrs though as more and more ppl can run tests and diagnostics.

 

Same scores that i got. I belive you are right. the card is underclocked though i did not find what lead to to belive that the stock sp3eed should be 700mhz. how did you come up with that number?

 

http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_8600M.html

Even if it is ddr2 which it probably is no reason why it should be clocked so low even the gs is clocked at 700 mhz. 100-150 mhz lower is understandable but not 300mhz.

 

I find it disturbing that the core in the gt is less then the core on the gs. you think nvidia made an error there?

 

no, its because the gt has 32 processors while the gs only has 16.

its like a v4 vs a v8 in a car.

lower rpm because the engine is bigger

 

No the cores on those are correct I believe. Because of the gts architecture it still pumps out alot more performance gs is way behind compared to the gt.

So did you use ntune? It showed 400 mhz? Thing is only a few sager 2090 people got their laptop and I couldn't find out what they did it about it like how much they overclocked or another solution. Did you try overclocking?

 

Edit: nvm question was answered in previous posts =)

 

2 post up ^^ the gt has 2x more engines running. so it produces more heat and takes more power at the same given clock speeds, so they have to slow things down.

 

so whats the solution?

 

well...mine is here.

Sometimes you are so excited exclamation points and smileys can't convey you know?

But they can try!!

!!! !!!!! !!!! :!!!!!

 

Congrats Alex. Enjoy. and lets hope we can figure out the mystery of the apparently underclocked GT.

 

Well, the 8600M GT in the IFL90 is shown to be capable of overclocking up to 545/495 Core/Memory, which scored a 3924 on 3DMarks06.

http://www.laptopspirit.fr/test-du-compal-ifl90stingray-z84/

 

Yes the game mode only overclocks CPU not GPU, I'll try overclock GPU using RIVA Tuner tonight.

 

A forum member overclocked his IFL90 to 570/450 and got 3349. That's with a T7100. Also, someone stated "i've 3400 on 3d mark06 with a T7500 and 2Go Corsair."
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=138614

 

Well consider me just somewhat bummed by these results. The performance is going to be stellar, yes, but I'm concerned about the GeForce 8600 GT's performance compaired to what I used to have.

I decided to go back and check my recorded 3DMark06 scores from almost a year ago (hopefully not much changed), and my old desktop, which had a 7800 AGP in it, scored almost a full 1000 points higher than this laptop (save for the CPU of course, which pulled about half as much as the laptop).

Here's to hoping that MXM-II cards become more available for purchase in the near future. I'd love to get a GDDR3 or GDDR4 equipped one

 

Well I'm still excited at least. My last system was a Athlon xp3400 OCed and a6800 AGP card. Never felt the need to get a new system (I played Farcry, Half Life 2, Lost Coast, and Episode 1, STALKER and FEAR comfortably on it) til my brother got his Dell 1705 which blew my huge desktop out of the water. So this is a huge and well deserved step up. And with the tweaking and OCing that the C90 will go through in our hands, we will see much better results as we go along.

 

Well...I currently have it easily OC'd to 550/475. It got 3648

 

what program did you end up useing to overclock the gpu?? I have run fear and it was perfect.

 

http://www.benchmarkhq.ru/english.html?/sandradl_e.html

sandra lite.

says 84c idle temp for the cpu. I know that thing is intalled good so is that a good temp??? sounds too high. I did have trouble getting the heat sink part to fit into the fan bay but it all went in ok.

your on vista and im on xp so my only worry about a comparison is that the os will show differnt. on my dual boot desktop I get different temps with the same program between vista/xp.

 

@ Alex: Which version of 3dmark are you using? And what setting was the cpu on on that test?

 

alex quick & easy d/l for you go get speedfan and tell me what your core 0 and core 1 temps are at idle. im 65 wich is ok but pretty much the max you want.

 

3495 3dmark06 with stock core gpu speed just boosted memory to 500mhz. this card has alot of potential, temps only hit 77c on highest load.

cpu was on normal mode not overclocked.

 

whats the lowest speed the processor can go?

 

ntune works really well, thats what I used. the offical nvidia one. lets you plot out temps and stuff aswell so its usefull to see if your pushing temps too high even if it runs without artifacts or crashing. just raising the memory speed seems to be a great idea, raising the core will most probably sacrifice some memory speed and I belive the memory will give the larger benifit. +400 points just for 400mhz --> 500mhz without even touching the core.

 

overclocked and internet browsing my temps are 54 and 56

 

with speedfan? hmm ill have to see if I need to reseat my heatsink then. its a very tight fit btw to get the actual fins into the fan area.

running the big wprime bench right now in game mode, will be done here in a few minutes.

 

Was wondering if anyone could perform benchmarks using roboblitz. Its running the ue3 engine which most big upcomming games are using, and should probably be a good indicator of what to expect from the c90s in future game performance.

Also, maybe a dumb question but does it come standard with a xp/vista driver disc? Sense alot of people probably will be purchasing their hdd's/OS seperate would be good to know if after receaving the unit its mandatory to go on a net hunt for the appropriate drivers.

 

All Vista-ready drivers are included (aside from the one for the Draft-N WiFi NIC)

 

does robobliz have a actual fps taking benchmark or do you just want somebody to fraps it?

im looking for games with built in benchmarks.

 

Just wanted somebody to fraps it, doesn't have a built in benchmark test unfortuantly :-/

 

I suppose I can do that as a favor, I'll look for it later if I have time. I think my d/l speeds are much much faster than alex's so I can get things easier. But he has alot more freetime.

 

From Rage3D Archive:

I will try it if you want once I get my notebook this coming week. It's on steam and i'll be trying out HL2 anyway so I will try to fraps it and post my results.

Alex and Vicious- You both ordered from gentech right? Did everything come separately, even the lan and CDROM? Just wondering, I like putting computers together and to build a notebook will just be awesome!

 

Na if you get total barebone, it has everything in it. you would have to put the cpu, ram, and hdd in. Thats all.

They even put my wireless in for me when I didnt ask them too, which is ok.

all of it was very easy to do except get the cpu's heatsink fins into the fan bay area, its a very tight fit and require some crafty angles and abit of squeezing.