Fan hum is almost imperceptible even when in full speed. Most of the time, it's so quiet, I'm thinking it has switched to passive cooling.
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I wouldn't list WiDi as a pro. It's certainly nice to have if you want to spend another $99 for the receiver. However, WiDi only operates at 802.11g speeds and cannot stream HDCP content. Basically, if you already have a media center setup, you can do something similar through WiFi.
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Last night I was thinking about the difference between u35jc and u45jc.... 70 $ for 0,7" more....
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Gaming is not only reason for dedicated GPU.
1) PureVideo for speeding up playing video file.
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I will take a thinner/lighter laptop over an ODD any day, but that's just me
Some people feel they need the ODD.
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For those who are interested, I decided to take my analysis of the U35jc's and 705's keyboard a bit further.
I took pics of their keyboards and adjusted the images so that it reflected their true dimensions. The U35jc measures 12.9" across the entire laptop's x-axis; 12.5" for the 705.
Then I measured the dimensions of their keyboards. For the x-axis, I measured from the Caps Lock key on the left to the Enter key on the right. For the y-axis, I measured from the Esc key on the top to the Ctrl key on the bottom. Those keys represent the true keyboard for touch typists. Yes, I could've done the measurement by simple extrapolation of their dimension's ratios, but I wanted to see how it would look from an actual size perspective on my 27" monitor.
The x-axis measurement for both laptops is around 11.35". Even though the U35jc is 0.5" longer than the 705 as a whole laptop, the U35jc has more "wasted" space to the left and right of the keyboard.
The y-axis measurement yielded the greatest difference: 4.25" for the U35jc and 3.75" for the 705.
This difference of 0.5" may not sound like much, but it's enough to result in the 705's keys looking more like rectangles than squares, as well as give some the feeling that the 705's keyboard is cramped.
In conclusion, I believe that if you have relatively long fingers, you will feel that the 700's keyboard is more cramped than that of the U35jc. Those with relatively shorter fingers will not notice much difference as all.
What concerns me more is the relatively shorter keystroke travel depth that the 705 has, which leads to a "spongy" feeling. When I type, I like the keys to have sufficient travel depth so that I know my fingers have hit the keys with sufficient force (and I am not a key groundpounder by any stretch of the imagination). With that being said, I have not seen the 705 firsthand and am only going by what I have read on these boards and from online reviews.
Also, the 705 has a relatively large trackpad. It's easy for fingers to brush up against it while typing and throw the cursor around the screen. Yes, there is a button below the space bar that can deactivate the trackpad. But realistically, who ever uses it while typing on an ultraportable laptop without a mouse present?
As for me, I spent almost 5 years with a Dell Inspiron 710m. As a 12" laptop, its x-axis measured only 11.7" across the entire laptop. It's keyboard measured only 10" across on the x-axis and 3.6" across on the y-axis.
Talk about having a cramped keyboard! No wonder I could never adjust to it and was also making typos.
So going from the Dell to either the 705 or U35jc would be an improvement. However, I did own the HP Envy 15 2nd Gen model for a while. I must admit that its "fullsized" keyboard spoiled me for a larger footprint keyboard.
Personally, had I decided the 705, I would have made the keyboard footprint longer by 0.5". Its trackpad is relatively large for a laptop and could easily surrender that 0.5" without causing any problems.
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In general, you might turn on the option in photoshop preference.
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will CUDA help me play 1080p smoothly on a big screen via HMDI output?
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My saga has finally come to an end.
I pulled the trigger and bought a laptop. And the winner is.....
the Toshiba R705.
Here was my thought process. While it pertains to me and me alone, I share it willingly in case there are others who face the same needs as I.
1. The 705's weight (3.2 lbs) and thin, small form factor played a huge factor in my decision. When I travel on business, go through airports, take notes in business meetings, etc., I want something that's small, light, and looks stylish. The 705 satisifies those needs.
When my laptop is away from an outlet and depletes its battery, I'm left with a temporary useless dead weight that I still have to carry around. The 705 is almost a full pound lighter than the U35jc (3.2 lbs vs. 3.9 to 4.2 lbs). That savings in dead weight makes a difference at the end of a long work (or school day). Yes, the U35jc's battery lasts 1 hour longer than the 705, but it'll still get depleted before day's end, just like the 705.
2. In my line of work, I see myself using the internal DVD drive on occasion (business archives, reference materials, even software installation). Not so much that not having one would kill me (I already have a USB external slim DVD drive), but enough that I would appreciate the convenience of having it. Given that the 705 is lighter than the U35jc, its inclusion of the internal DVD drive hasn't penalized it from a weight perspective. As for the drive's drain on battery life, it's a cost that I'm willing to bear for the added convenience of having it readily at my disposal when needed.
3. I have no need for an anemic dedicated graphics card (GPU) like the U35jc's Nvidia 310M. As such, I also have no need for Optimus switchable graphics. This is thanks in no small part to my already owning a gaming desktop replacement laptop (MSI GX640). To be fair, even if I didn't have the GX640, I still wouldn't get the U35jc to satisfy my gaming needs. That's how weak its GPU is. Also, if you've ever tried gaming on a laptop while running on batteries, you know how long that lasts. Then you're stuck with a temporarily dead weight appliance to carry around all day.
That being said, I know there are still some disadvantages. Here is how I rationalized them.
1. I already know that the 705's keyboard is going to leave my fingers feeling a little cramped. I'm not going to like the spongy feel to the keys. Fortunately, it's not my primary PC. I have a desktop PC that I built myself to handle work at home. If I find myself in a situation where typing accuracy is at a premium and I don't have the luxury of correcting many typos, I can always use my MSI GX640 and it's full sized keyboard in a pinch. Not a great solution, but an available one nonetheless.
2. This laptop will run really hot at times. Let's be honest here. Not a lukewarm or mildy hot, but really "burn your hand" hot. It's to be expected with a small form factor laptop with 1 tiny little exhaust fan attempting to cool components as powerful as the ones in the 705.
I hate hot laptops. I returned an HP Envy 15 2nd Gen because it was blistering hot when I played games like BFBC2. To its credit it cooled down in 30 seconds literally, thanks to its THREE exhaust fans and large spacious interior design. I'm under no such illusions with the 705 doing the same.
Fortunately, thanks to the 705 not having a dedicated GPU, I won't be playing graphically-intense games on it. That should help somewhat. Also, I won't be using the ECO mode as a solution either, because if I wanted a "crippled" CPU, I would have bought a laptop with a CULV CPU in it.
3. Yes, I would have loved to see the 705 have a longer battery life than its 4 to 4.5 hrs under normal usage scenarios. But I can live with it. If I can't there are options available to me to remedy this (and I love having options). I can succumb to using the aforementioned ECO mode or I could do as La-resistance28 and buy a 9-cell extended battery. With the U35jc, I believe that its 8-cell battery is the only "extending battery life" option available to it (though I might be mistaken). And as I mentioned above, when the 705 depletes its battery, I'd rather carry around its light 3 lbs than the U35jc's 4 lbs all day long.
4. Cost. I'm paying more for the 705. I could have bought the U35jc (from Ken at GenTechPC.com only) for $819 flat (no sales tax and shipping is free). In fact, Ken offers a 3% discount in price if you pay in cash.
Now, the 705 costs $829, thanks to BestBuy.com raising the price by $30 today. BestBuy also charges $15 for shipping. And I have to pay $60 in sales tax. So I'm paying a total of $904 for the 705, which represents an $85 premium over the U35jc.
Does the 705 truly represent an $85 premium over the U35jc? Perhaps, perhaps not. So why am I doing it? Because today is the last day of a sales tax holiday in my state for "back to school purposes". As such, the $60 sales tax is waived, which brings the total cost of the 705 down to $844. That makes the 705 only a $25 premium over the U35jc. That's a premium I can live with.
Now, if I had been more decisive in my deliberations between the 705 and the U35jc, I could avoided the BestBuy $30 price hike and purchased the 705 at a $5 DISCOUNT to the U35jc ($814 vs $819). However, I believe that the extra time I took to analyze my choices and make the right decision was worth the additional cost of $30. Especially after taking into account the 15% restocking fee that both BestBuy and GenTechPC charge for returns, which amounts to $120 each. I felt that such a decision could not be made lightly.
In closing, my thanks again to all who helped me make an educated decision these past few days. The generosity and helpfulness of this board truly amazes me. I only hope that others have found my posts as useful as I have found theirs. -
Best Buy has been raising prices all summer, which is a shame. The R705 and the Samsung Q430 were steals at $800, and are still great laptops for $830. Are there any Best Buys in your area? If so, you could pick up the unit in store and save yourself the shipping cost.
I feel your pain regarding sales tax. When I bought my UL80JT, I was hit with $49 sales tax on the $700 laptop. Then the damn thing broke 4 hours later! Luckily, I read about the U35JC the next day, which could be had for $775 shipped from J&R. Like you, I considered the price premium. An extra $25 for a better CPU was worth it for me, despite the lack of an optical drive. -
There is a relatively local BestBuy (30 miles away) that does carry the 705 in stock.
However, were I to purchase the laptop there, I would save the $15 in shipping, only to pay the $60 in sales tax (its across the border in another state). I would also have to factor in the cost of driving there (around $10, as my Infiniti G35 gets a combined 22 mpg). This nets to a $55 increase in total cost for me.
I don't mind waiting for the 705. I have the services of another laptop at my disposal until it arrives.
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Addendum: if I didn't already have a gaming laptop (MSI GX640), I would have gotten the HP Envy 14.
It's the best of both worlds (work, gaming). It's relatively light (5 lbs), sleek (1.1"), and powerful (i3, i5, i7 CPU). It's graphics card is the ATI HD 5650 GPU is NOT anemic at all, with a 3DMark06 score of roughly 8,000.
It doesn't have integrated graphics (and no Optimus as a result, AND since it's an ATI card). Still, it gets roughly 4 hours of normal usage, which is quite impressive given its components and form factor.
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Congrats on making the decision bankergolfer! Enjoy that laptop and let us know how you like it.
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Great news you could come to a final decision and order it. I know how it absorbs my thoughts when I need to research & get the right notebook for me.
Glad you've got it.
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Thank you both for the kind words, as well as your help in making this decision!
While my saga to buy the laptop is over, my work is far from done. I promise to write my thoughts on the 700 that will rival my writeup on why I picked it. It will be brutally honest and point out what I got right, as well as what I got wrong.
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LOL! That's your great system of socialism at work there. If it's any consolation, we seem to be headed in the same direction.
Amazing how the tremendous greed of a relatively few persons can impact an entire nation.
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Anyone knows if the 45jc will be avalaible in black in the US?
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I'm currently having issues deciding between the Toshiba M640 and the Asus U35JC. I don't know what to compromise!
Toshiba M640
Intel® Core i5-450M 2.4GHz
4GB DDR3 1066MHz SDRAM (2048MBx2)
500GB HDD (7200rpm, Serial-ATA)
NVIDIA® GeForce 310M with NVIDIA Optimus Technology with 512MB GDDR3 memory
DVD SuperMulti (+/-R double layer) drive
Glossy Black LED Backlit Tile keyboard
Extended Capacity Lithium-Ion Battery (6-cell, 61Wh)
Realtek® 802.11b/g/n wireless LAN
Price: $915 ($835 with Core i3-350M (2.26GHz))
Pros:
Really good cooling: temps in the high 70s and low 80s (laptopmag review)
Really good speakers
Cons:
Bulky
Heavy (somewhere between 5-6 pounds)
Weak battery life (about 5 hours with the extended capacity battery?)
Bad webcam (dont really use the webcam though)
Weak wireless bandwidth speeds
Asus U35JC-A1
13.3" HD LED "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1366x768)
Intel® Core i3-370M, 2.4GHz, (3MB L3 cache) Standard
nVidia G310M 1024MB PCI-Express GDDR3 DX10 with Optimus Technology
4GB (2 SODIMM) DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory Default
500GB 7200RPM 8MB Cache Buffer (Serial-ATA II 3GB/s)
Internal 5-in-1 Card Reader (SD/MMC/MS/MS PRO/ xD-P)
Built-in 802.11 Wireless A/B/G/N - Stock Wireless Card
Integrated Digital Video Camera
Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
Price: $857
Pros:
Not bulky
Light (seems to be 3.9lb at the moment)
Long battery life
Cons:
Worse cooling: would the temps be closer to the u30jc than the u33jc because of its bamboo?
Weak speakers
Don't know what to compromise! I'm a college student but I don't really carry my laptop around with me a lot. I prefer a lighter laptop with long battery life. I don't need an optical drive and would prefer not to have one to minimize the weight as much as possible. So the Asus sounds perfect, but I HATE hot laptops. I'm on an Acer Aspire 3810T-6415 right now and this thing gets so hot that I rest my palms on a small towel on top of the palm rests. I'm not a huge gamer but the laptop does need to be able to play low-mid level games which is why I'm going after laptops with Optimus technology.
The things that matter the most to me are the weight, battery life, and temperatures. Everything else is pretty much the same between the two. The backlit keyboard doesn't really matter to me and I know that if the speakers are just too bad on the Asus, I can just buy some speakers. I guess the only thing holding me back from getting the Asus is whether or not the temperatures it runs at will be a bother or not. Oh and I wish NA had black version with the same specs coming out T_T -
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Does anyone know if it the processor will be upgradeable in the U35JC? I see some sites allow you to configure them, adding things like Core i5-540 cpus and I was wondering if this was an "after-market" service they provide or if Asus is going to distribute different models across the gamut of CPUs.
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This question is pretty simple to answer, in my opinion. The ASUS is clearly the winner with respect to your priorities.
The things that matter the most to you are the weight, battery life, and temperatures.
Weight: ASUS wins, period. 3.9 to 4.2 lbs (depending on who you ask) vs. 5 to 6 lbs.
Battery life: ASUS wins. ASUS has an 8 cell battery (86 Wh) vs. the Toshiba's 6 cell battery (61 WH). While both share the same graphics card, the toshiba's i5 will drain more power than the ASUS i3.
Temperatures: ASUS has the edge. Both laptops have the same GPU. However, ASUS has come out with some great gaming laptops with innovative cooling designs. As a result, that knowledge is bound to be incorporated in some fashion an any of its newer laptop designs.
I can only see you going for the Toshiba if you want a backlit keyboard or and internal optical DVD drive, neither of which the ASUS U35jc has.
Finally, I know that style isn't one of your priorities. If it were, the ASUS wins again. Like the other poster said, the M640 looks like a brick (not a good thing).
Like I said, this is an easy decision to make.
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The temperatures on the ASUS are actually what are preventing me from getting it yet. The temperatures on the Toshiba are 73, 78, 82 for the touchpad, middle of the keyboard, and bottom of the laptop, respectively. On the other hand, I'm thinking the temperatures for the ASUS are likely to follow those of the u30jc: 89, 93, 100 for the same order. These temps are from the laptopmag reviews which use the same temp test for every laptop.
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Perhaps the Toshiba's heavier weight represents copper heat sinks placed strategically throughout the laptop to help reduce the heat.
Regardless, the ASUS would still be the winner, as you've prioritized weight and battery life before temperature.
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The U & UL ASUS notebooks, as bankergolfer has pointed out, are usually cooler so I wouldn't make that an issue. It should be at least as cool as the Toshiba and perhaps much cooler.
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The laptopmag on the U30Jc describe the VENT as getting up to 100F. I can assure you the bottom NEVER gets that hot. In gaming, the vent AIR can get very warm ... but not the bottom of the notebook itself.
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Yes, I'm quite impressed with ASUS laptop cooling solutions, especially the one with the ASUS G73 gaming desktop replacement laptop.
True, the G73 is not as cool as a Clevo. But then again, it's not as heavy or brick-like in appearance as the Clevo either.
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I've read the past few pages, but couldn't find an answer. Does anyone know the release date for the U35JC?
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Consensus is 8/17/10 in the USA. Of course, that information was provided 1 week ago. Who really knows when it'll be shipped to the USA?
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As of now: August 23rd-25th.
Edit: I must be relying on old info. The 17th would make me very happy. MAKE IT HAPPEN, ASUS.
Double edit: In the U45JC owner's lounge, the OP wrote that his CPU reaches temps of 80-85 degrees in games, which is about as hot as my HP used to get. He has not sat down and played for more than 15 minutes, though, so we can't say whether or not the bottom of the unit or the palmrests will get hot. -
Hate to do this to you Chanda, but you may be the one with the correct information here.
Any time I hear 2 conflicting dates regarding laptop, PC, or games releases, I always go with the later date.
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Im torn between the U35Jc and the MSI x360 MSI Europe ? Computer, Laptop, Notebook, Desktop, Mainboard, Graphics and more
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Anybody want to share how to keep this fully functional w/o any of the Asus software? I find these apps a bit annoying and some of them, as I know, simply duplicate OS functionality.
These are the apps my U35jc is set to start with:
- Sidebar C:\Program Files\Windows Sidebar\sidebar.exe /autoRun
- Adobe ARM "C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Adobe\ARM\1.0\AdobeARM.exe"
- Adobe Reader Speed Launcher "C:\Program Files (x86)\Adobe\Reader 9.0\Reader\Reader_sl.exe"
- ETDWare C:\Program Files\Elantech\ETDCtrl.exe
- IgfxTray C:\Windows\system32\igfxtray.exe
- HotKeysCmds C:\Windows\system32\hkcmd.exe
- Persistence C:\Windows\system32\igfxpers.exe
- AmIcoSinglun64 C:\Program Files (x86)\AmIcoSingLun\AmIcoSinglun64.exe
- Trend Micro Titanium C:\Program Files\Trend Micro\Titanium\Uwork\uiWinMgr.exe -set Silent "1" SplashURL ""
- Trend Micro Client Framework "C:\Program Files\Trend Micro\UniClient\UiFrmWrk\UIWatchDog.exe"
- ASUS Screen Saver Protector C:\Windows\AsScrPro.exe
- ASUS WebStorage C:\Program Files (x86)\ASUS\ASUS WebStorage\SERVICE\AsusWSService.exe
- ATKMEDIA C:\Program Files (x86)\ASUS\ATK Package\ATK Media\DMedia.exe
- ATKOSD2 C:\Program Files (x86)\ASUS\ATK Package\ATKOSD2\ATKOSD2.exe
- CLMLServer "C:\Program Files (x86)\CyberLink\Power2Go\CLMLSvc.exe"
- HControlUser C:\Program Files (x86)\ASUS\ATK Package\ATK Hotkey\HControlUser.exe
- RtHDVCpl C:\Program Files\Realtek\Audio\HDA\RAVCpl64.exe -s
- Wireless Console 3 C:\Program Files (x86)\ASUS\Wireless Console 3\wcourier.exe
- Bluetooth.lnk C:\Program Files (x86)\WIDCOMM\Bluetooth Software\BTTray.exe
- SRS Premium Sound.lnk C:\Windows\Installer\{E5CF6B9C-3ABE-43C9-9413-AD5FFC98F049}\NewShortcut5_21C7B668029A47458B27645FE6E4A715.exe
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Wireless Console is just a useless, pretty app. You can kill it.
I've stopped ALL of my Adobe processes. Not needed. I can still open PDF's just fine.
igfxtray is your icon in the lower-right that gives you quick access to nVidia Control Panel. My latest nVidia 258.96 drivers also allow me to see if the GPU is active. I find it useful ... but not essential. Up to you. I access nVidia Control Panel by right-clicking my desktop. The quick-launch igfxtray icon is redundant. You can turn that off from the nVidia Control Panel preferences or by right-clicking the icon in the lower-right and unselecting "Display icon in notification area".
ETDCtrl.exe puts a quick-launch touchpad icon in my lower-right area. Redundant and not needed. You can turn that off from the Touchpad preferences.
CLMLServer is for Cyberlink and unnecessary.
Hotkeys & ATK drivers are VERY useful and should not be removed.
ASUS screen saver & webstorage are pointless to me, unless you want to buy into their webstorage plan.
TrendMicro AV is trialware unless you activated it and are using it. If you don't need TrendMicro (I don't), remove it all.
Realtek & Bluetooth is useful and I'd leave them in the lower-right.
SRS Sound link is redundant & can be removed.
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For those who ordered and are waiting for the U35Jc from Amazon, the site just changed from the "expected delivery 1-4 weeks" to "Temporarily out of stock." Now, I don't know what that means but I'll take it as a good sign that the laptops are on their way to amazon.
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If this was covered already, my bad..but the u35f-x1 has only the integrated graphics card. Is Optimus's only function is to switch between graphics processors so the f-x1 shouldn't have it?
Also because of the 370m processor, these don't have the turbo function like the 330um Asus models?
The 370m is quite a step up from the 330um in performance and nearly twice the TDP.
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2) Yes, the i3-370M is already at full-speed and so there is no turbo overclock available.
3) Once both notebooks are reviewed and available in the US (not just listed out-of-stock), battery benchmarks can be compared.
But given the same 8-cell 5600-5800mAh battery, the UL30Jt may get max 2 hrs more on a full charge (I'm guessing). My U30Jc with an i3-350M 2.26GHz processor gets max about 7.5-8 hrs with no wifi (6.5-7 with wifi). -
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Asus U35JC/U45JC
Discussion in 'Asus' started by eugenes, Jun 11, 2010.