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    Asus V1s vs Asus V2s.

    Discussion in 'Asus' started by mdfaulksey, Jun 28, 2007.

  1. CoolnQuiet

    CoolnQuiet Notebook Consultant

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    This is what I have on order (information from stores email to me):

    V1S-AK013E
    15.4" TFT (WSXGA+, Colour Shine)
    Intel Centrino Core 2 Duo T7500 2.0G
    Video Camera Built-in(1.3 million pixels)
    nVidia Geforce 8600M GT 512 on board
    2048MB(1024x2) DDRII 667 SDRAM
    SATA 200GB HDD
    DVD Super Multi D/L
    Gigabit LAN
    Intel 4965AGN WLAN
    Bluetooth Built In
    Windows Vista Business

    I found the following info here
    Both 8600 & 8700 GPUs connect to 512MB of GDDR 3 graphics memory over a 128-bit bus. However, Nvidia said the 8700M GT's bus is configured in a "dual-rank" mode. It has bandwidth of 25.6GBps - the 8600M GT's is 22.4GBps.
     
    CoolnQuiet, Jul 24, 2007
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  2. FlamingRug

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    A lot of companies are putting underpowered 8600M GT's with DDR2 instead of GDDR3 into their notebooks (Dell Inspiron 1520, ASUS C90s come to mind). It appears from other threads I have read on this site that this will be the case with the V1S as well.
     
    FlamingRug, Jul 24, 2007
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  3. Awesomeness

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    are these laptops coming with a mouse and a backpack like the G series?
     
    Awesomeness, Jul 24, 2007
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  4. coriolis

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    They all come with a mouse and a bag, but not necessarily the same ones.
     
    coriolis, Jul 24, 2007
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    Probably not a backpack but more like a carrying bag and an optical mouse for the V1S/V2S.
     
    EXcaliberPC, Jul 24, 2007
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    Spix, Jul 25, 2007
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  7. Ultim4

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    This is good news. But alas, nothing on the UK page, yet.


    Link to translated article (German -> English via Google Language Tools):
    http://translate.google.com/transla...fe=off&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=/language_tools


    Interesting stuff...

    Release Date
    "The ASUS V1S-AJ016E and V2S-4Q002E are available starting from at the beginning of of August in the specialized trade."
    ('specialized trade' is a bad translation for something?)

    Different model numbers to those in the US (based on ExcaliburPC):
    (US versus German)
    ASUS V2S-A1 versus V2S-4Q002E
    ASUS V1S-A1 versus ASUS V1S-AJ016E
    (So possibly different specs. I will check for differences)

    The German V2S definitely has a 8600GS with 256Mb GDD3
    "NVIDIA® GeForce™ 8600M gs 256 MT VRAM GDDR3 (1024 MT TurboCache™ ;)"

    Noteable differences between specs
    The only difference I can see between the ExcaliburPC specs and the German ASUS specs is that both the German ones have a T7300 wheras the Excal ones have T7500?
     
    Ultim4, Jul 25, 2007
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  8. Q8PHANTOM

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    That mean the US version will have GDDR3.
    Wow 8600GS GDDR3=8600GT DDR2.
    And you can get a 3600 3dmark06 with the OC 8600GS GDDR3 as that person in this thread.
     
    Q8PHANTOM, Jul 25, 2007
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  9. Ultim4

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    That seems likely, but it's not confirmed yet.
     
    Ultim4, Jul 25, 2007
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  10. odin243

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    Has anyone ever even seen an 8600MGS with DDR2? I was under the impression that only the 8600GT was available with DDR2 memory.
     
    odin243, Jul 25, 2007
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  11. Bona Fide

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    Doesn't the F3S have an 8600GS with GDDR2?
     
    Bona Fide, Jul 25, 2007
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  12. odin243

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    I'm almost positive that the F3Sv has GDDR3 memory. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what's been reported by everyone I've seen post, including Ken at GenTechPC.
     
    odin243, Jul 25, 2007
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  13. Bona Fide

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    Alright, my mistake. I actually wasn't sure, but I thought I remembered seeing it as GDDR2. :eek:
     
    Bona Fide, Jul 25, 2007
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  14. Spix

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    'specialized trade' would be something more like retail trade, or freely translated: "The ASUS V1S-AJ016E and V2S-4Q002E will be available by retailers at the beginning of August."

    btw. it surprises me that not everyone here is fluent in german. ;)
     
    Spix, Jul 26, 2007
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  15. matt_h1

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    The only problem with that being, US retailers have been told mid august.
     
    matt_h1, Jul 26, 2007
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  16. Ultim4

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    It may simply be different for Germany (with US lagging behind on release dates). In the UK, most retailers expect the V1S very early August (the 1st and 2nd). Not many seem to know about the V2S (but this was one or two weeks ago, they may know more now), and the only info I got on it is that it's expected mid-August (in the UK).
     
    Ultim4, Jul 26, 2007
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  17. wuzertheloser

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    i asked Allen from Excalibur and they're expecting the V2s to be delivered mid-august.
     
    wuzertheloser, Jul 26, 2007
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    Swedish retailer komplett ( www.komplett.se) also list expected delivery dates in mid-august for several of the new ASUS models, including the V2s.
     
    ollibolli, Jul 27, 2007
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  19. Ultim4

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    They seem to have been very very roughly estimating, though. They used to say V2S's release was 18th July, then 24th July, then 2nd August, now the 18th :(.
     
    Ultim4, Jul 27, 2007
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  20. fabarati

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    Asus VX2S is still August 3rd (my birthday) and V1S is the 11th.
     
    fabarati, Jul 27, 2007
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  21. Ultim4

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    According to this post from some other forum, someone contacted ASUS Australia and they said the V1S and V2S would be available there in the third week of August.
     
    Ultim4, Jul 27, 2007
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  22. matt_h1

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    Id take that with a grain of salt considering the G1S isnt even widely available yet here.
     
    matt_h1, Jul 27, 2007
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    Norwegian wholesale dealer Norek has the V1S-AK001E listed with arrival 2007-08-11. No specs though...

    I've also seen retail listings for the VP-9N8B0000 docking station (V1/V2/VX2), starting at ca. $200 USD incl VAT, arriving 2007-08-24.
     
    bove, Jul 27, 2007
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  24. Bona Fide

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    Mid-August? God everything keeps getting pushed further and further back. I'd intended to have a laptop in-hand right now, but I guess I'll be waiting even more.
     
    Bona Fide, Jul 27, 2007
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  25. Ultim4

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    The strategy seems to be to add about 1 month on to any rumored ASUS release date. Which doesn't bode well for people after the F8x - rumored for mid-August => mid-Septemer release? :eek:
     
    Ultim4, Jul 27, 2007
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  26. wuzertheloser

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    the ASUS reps said early september is when they'll start mass producing the F8s
     
    wuzertheloser, Jul 27, 2007
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  27. Ultim4

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    I just found a French news article about the V2S. ( Actual, Auto-Translated)
    It covers two versions of the V2S:
    V2S-4Q002E (European or French version)
    V2S-A1 (US version)

    The specs are the same except that the European version has 3G (UMTS / HSDPA). Personally, I think this is bad news. I have no need for a 3G-capable laptop and it'll just bump up the price. Hopefully there'll be two versions. Unfortunately, a UK retailer I e-mailed about the V2S said he'd only heard of the HSDPA model.

    Interestingly, there is another V2S model I've seen popping up online -the V2S-4S006E (for example, this one from a Norwegian dealer). I can't see anything like HSDPA on that model's spec.
    I hope Asus release some official info in Europe to clear this up.
     
    Ultim4, Jul 29, 2007
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  28. Q8PHANTOM

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    One more question.
    HSDPA is really interesting and here in Kuwait about 90% of Kuwait is covered and can use HSDPA so if i get the V2S-A1 can i upgrade it and build the HSDPA Europan version (because the US version will work just with the old EDGE).
    Thanks.
     
    Q8PHANTOM, Jul 29, 2007
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  29. Wattos

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    IM almost 100 % certain V1S will have GDDR2 memory for one reason: They dont mention it having GDDR2 memory. I happen to own a F3SV with 8600M GS 256 MB DDR2 memory. The way asus "cheats" on the early buyers is not mentioning it in the specs they post on the news pages. Thats how I got cheated into buying a F3SV. Asus confirmed that the F3SV has only GDDR 2 which makes it as fast as a 8400M and even as fast as a 7300 >_>. So watch out for the V1s as it certainly going to have GDDR2.

    Proof:

    http://uk.asus.com/news_show.aspx?id=7129

    Asus only mentions GDD3 on the G1S model, but fails to mention GDDR2 on F3SV. I think its the same trick for V1S now :(
     
    Wattos, Aug 4, 2007
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  30. odin243

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    Ummm, which F3SV model do you have? As far as I'm aware, the 8600M-GS in the F3sv comes only with GDDR3 memory, it's only the 8600M-GT that can be either DDR2 or GDDR3.
     
    odin243, Aug 4, 2007
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  31. Tim

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    Either way I don't think GDDR3 or DDR2 will make that much of a difference.
    Tim
     
    Tim, Aug 4, 2007
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  32. wuzertheloser

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    It will make some, but not that much
     
    wuzertheloser, Aug 4, 2007
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  33. Zedr0n

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    Does vista come in 64-bit edition for newer laptops?

    Seeing the reviews for C90S, for example, makes me think that 64-bit edition could help gaming quite a bit...

    Any confirmation on GDDR3 in v2s? Has anybody received V1s so far(i've seen somebody talking about 2nd of august for his order)?
     
    Zedr0n, Aug 5, 2007
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  34. wuzertheloser

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    The only option for the 8600GS is GDDR3 and yes it is confirmed to be GDDR3 in the V2s. Dunno about the V1s.
     
    wuzertheloser, Aug 5, 2007
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  35. Zedr0n

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    Erm, well, one could say that F3sv is GDDR3, but practically it's more like DDR2 - clocked at 400 instead of 700? It's all about frequency, not name, imho
     
    Zedr0n, Aug 5, 2007
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  36. wuzertheloser

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    well, just clock it back up to 700 then?

    if it uses GDDR3, you can clock it back up to 700, but if it uses GDRR2, you can't.
     
    wuzertheloser, Aug 5, 2007
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  37. Zedr0n

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    That's the point - according to the posts I read you can't go much higher than 500 on F3sv. And that looks suspiciously like DDR2
     
    Zedr0n, Aug 5, 2007
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  38. Bona Fide

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    That's interesting. I'd never heard of this before.
     
    Bona Fide, Aug 5, 2007
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    As far as I was aware, Asus admitted that the memory clock speeds on the F3sv were limited due to the internal voltage designs of that GPU, not the memory type. This is confirmed by the fact that it's been overclocked up to ~600MHz, which could be possible if it was just reversing a factory underclock, but would be all but impossible on DDR2 memory sticks. Again, as far as I'm aware, nVidia never designed a version of the 8600M-GS to be used with DDR2 memory, unlike the 8600M-GT, which they admitted was designed to be used with both high performance GDDR3 memory and cost effective DDR2 memory.
     
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  41. wuzertheloser

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    hmmm....interesting
    well in that case i'm wrong...learned something new outta this
    hopefully the V2s will be GDDR3. ASUS has confirmed it anyways
     
    wuzertheloser, Aug 5, 2007
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  42. Zedr0n

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    I thought internal voltage limited only core clock, not memory clock - that's they said on the asus forums

    Maybe, though NotebookCheck thinks there are 8600 GS with DDR2 - http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-8600M-GS.3707.0.html

    And there are some people in F3sv thread who say there are just different models of F3sv(with ddr2 and else).

    The thing I mostly care about is that we don't get the same "internal limits" on V2s as in F3sv(as gaming performance of the latter lags too much behing 8600gt then). Well, I guess we won't know for sure until we can run some benchmarks on real V2S :)
     
    Zedr0n, Aug 5, 2007
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    Zedr0n, Aug 5, 2007
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  44. odin243

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    I would not personally get only a 64-bit OS, as I use too many legacy programs which aren't compatible. However, I do plan on dual-booting XP Pro and Vista Ultimate 64-bit.
     
    odin243, Aug 5, 2007
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  45. FlinsX

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    yeah 64 bit are not bad but vista is not really better than XP or??
     
    FlinsX, Aug 23, 2007
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  46. odin243

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    Vista 64-bit is infinitely better than XP 64-bit, if you plan on going the 64-bit route.
     
    odin243, Aug 23, 2007
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