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    Best Cooler for G50V-A1 Zalman NC2000?

    Discussion in 'Asus' started by berardi1111, Nov 6, 2008.

  1. berardi1111

    berardi1111 Notebook Guru

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    I did some research here on the best cooler for the G50V. It seems that the NC2000 is the "best" for the G50V. Would those of you who have the G50V agree or disagree with that?

    I don't do any hardcore gaming but I want to keep it running very cool so it lives a long time. Times are tough and I don't want to buy a new machine any time soon :-D

    Thanks guys

    Matt
     
  2. ClearSkies

    ClearSkies Well no, I'm still here..

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    The myth about prolonged heat exposure and decreased component life in normal/regular usage contemporary systems remains one of my favorites. It's never been proven, but is a holdover and "logical" extension of the problems from the Pentium 4 era in notebooks.

    Fact - notebook components are designed to operate in an elevated heat environment for a *long* time. They're built for it (well, the 8600mGT's have a manufacturing defect so that doesn't really count), and last well beyond the vast majority of users' usage life before breaking -- and in the event that happens it's almost always due to other problems rather than system temps. HDD's have 1 million hours MTTF ratings, cpu's don't have thermal throttling until 105C+, etc, etc.

    If you aren't routinely pushing your system with 75+% usage for extended periods, you will accrue *no* benefits in terms of system longevity by placing the thing on a cooler. Times were different back in the P4 era of desktop cpus being shovelled into notebook chassis'.

    In the event that you fall into my exception category above, it remains debatable. I'm probably going to take some heat (pun intended) from the gamers in the forum here, but I'll stand by my opinion.

    Bottom line..... if you have the disposable income and it makes you feel better, go for it. But as long as you use it on a hard, flat surface, you aren't going to gain anything beyond keeping the air flowing around your desk a bit cooler. Now where are my fire-retardant undies :eek:.
     
  3. berardi1111

    berardi1111 Notebook Guru

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    HAHA thank you for the insightful and comic advice :)

    I agree with you its probably overkill, but I am the same guy that refuses to consume anything with any kind of chemicals - I am phobic of cumulative effects.

    So basically you're saying the heat does not have a cumulative effect unless it is repeatedly stressed? It makes sense - I bet the weaker point is one of the fans inside breaking before the chips and hardware is stressed by the heat enough to be broken
     
  4. ClearSkies

    ClearSkies Well no, I'm still here..

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    My work here is done ;).
     
  5. Silverio

    Silverio Notebook Consultant

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    a little off topic... but does anyone know where to get this cooler in Canada, toronto specifically? o.o
     
  6. berardi1111

    berardi1111 Notebook Guru

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    Geared2play.com Company Representative

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    keep your radiator clean and you will not suffer reduced life of your notebook. if you do not keep it clean then there is no cooler on the earth that will help you avoid the inevitable break down of your system once the radiator is clogged. Here is a fact:
    Besides wearable components like batteries, hard drives, optical drives the #1 cause of warranty claims is cause by people not turning off their notebooks. A notebook radiator is kind of like the fliter in your household clothes dryer. once it is clogged your notebook is as good as dead.
     
  8. berardi1111

    berardi1111 Notebook Guru

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    Thanks for the advice. Forgive me but by radiator do you mean the heatsink on the cpu? or just heatsinks on the machine in general?

    I have built my own systems for years now but I've never tooled with my notebook (this is my first one). How difficult is it to open up to clean these radiators? I'm not afraid to do it... just have no idea how to go about it..
     
  9. Geared2play.com

    Geared2play.com Company Representative

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    The heatsink is the copper or aluminum directly on top of the cpu. the heatpipe is the heat transfer between the heatsink and the radiator. the radiator is the slotted copper behind the fan on the other side of the heat transfer. its the same in any notebook. usually the fan needs to come off in order to expose the radiator.
     
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    berardi1111 Notebook Guru

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    Is it a difficult operation or just unscrew, compressed air, rescrew? How often would you do it per year?

    Thanks again
     
  11. joeelmex

    joeelmex Notebook Evangelist

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    I do it once every 3 months, and it usually is enough to keep it dust free inside.
     
  12. GamblinMan

    GamblinMan Notebook Enthusiast

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    I will respectfully disagree with you here ClearSkies. I had a Dell e1705 for nearly two and a half years, and the laptop is nearly useless because of what I deem as heat problems. Now the video card constantly displays artifacts to the point of not being able to play untaxing 3d games. The laptop had further problems in that it would routinely shut down due to overheating. Typically, this would happen when running 3d intensive games or keeping the system under load in adverse conditions.

    You could argue that the problem stems from the fact that the fans were blocked for a period of time resulting in higher than normal temps for extended periods of time (80C + for the GPU), but this is still a heat problem. A friend with a very similar laptop (XPS version) had the exact same problem. Luckily his was covered under warranty and the tech explained it was due to GPU heat exposure and replaced the card. His works fine now.

    As a result, I'm definitely in the camp of advocating notebook coolers, as they're a relatively inexpensive way to reduce the heat exposure of a notebook. A good cooler (like the one mentioned in this thread) will only run you $60 at Newegg, and it reduces temps up to 10C. Depending on how much was invested into the notebook initially and usage habits, this could definitely be a worthwhile expense. For the record, I own a NC2000 and am very happy thus far with the results.

    Regardless, after my last experience, I am much more sensitive to heating issues with my notebooks.
     
  13. D.A.

    D.A. Notebook Consultant

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    The reason I got my notebook cooler (NC-1000) was because my hard drive gets very hot without any form of active cooling, nearly 60C. There is no way you can keep it in your lap at those temperatures.

    When I control the system fan by myself it keeps the rest of the components cool as well, all of them below 40C during browsing and such. If I set my fan to full power every component stays below 50C (expect for the hard drive which isn't affected by the fan) even under very heavy usage.
     
  14. E.B.E.

    E.B.E. NBR Procrastinator

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    60C for the HDD is indeed on the high side.
    D.A., have you removed any doors (like HDD bay door) on the computer? That might disturb the airflow.