Cmon Asus and Asus resallers G1S's are OVERpriced

Hi guyz :
Do u think that the new G1 "G1S's" are really overpriced ??
Why ?? Coz C90s cost 1500$* and its OC able 2.4 MHz and 1066 FSB ,2.0 camera ,512 dedicated ,finger print and tv tuner maybe A/V in jack too, MXM cards and don't forget the monster fans whice well mean better gpu oc'ing all these extra and its cost less 500$ ok I know that e6600 cost less than T7500 but I don't think that T7500 will add 500$ to the bill "DON'T FORGET THE ExTRaS"
In other side the G1s** have some lights and OLED screen

Personally I think its better to buy C90s and buy extra batteries 4 it "u can buy 8 cell for ~70$*** whice mean u can buy 7 batteries for 500$" or even buy one extra battery and save the money for the future cards eg 8800/8900

Cmon Asus and Asus resallers Btotech,Gentech Millsonpc proportable etc... Don't be $$$

Even the Zepto 6224w iz cheaper with the same spec but 14.1 screen, 512 dedicated and 800MHz ram
But I LoVe Asus notebookes and I want to buy G1s for a responsible price

What do think guyz???

Sorry 4 my long post and my bad english

*Gentech
**its have esata, hdmi & expresscard according to http://www.excaliberpc.com/ASUS_G1S...132413CQL400T/partinfo-id-579727.html***maybe 79$ in btotech.com

-Jabriii

 

Your comparisons are a bit irrelevant.
Firstly, the G1S prices are just a little higher than what ASUS sells to the buyers.The competition is high, the resellers have no reason to overprice their laptops.They will only lose customers.
Secondly, the C90 is a built-on (or powered by) ASUS laptop, it means that ASUS offers no warranty for such laptops (unlike the Ensemble models like G1S), the dealers offer warranty instead of ASUS.
Thirdly, I dare you to try and match the power consumption of C90 to any other laptop.It's battery life is around 1:30 hours and is not even comparable to G1S or the Zepto.

 

Not to mention buying a C90 means you have to install those parts yourself, while some people don't mind doing so (messing with parts in a laptop) quite a few more such as myself aren't comfortable enough with laptops to actually do all the installation myself. Besides, it'll save you 3 hours to just get a g1s on top of having a warranty.

 

That's not a really fair comparison...

First, although you're looking at a fairly narrow market, it's still highly competitive. There are enough alternative options that demand is considerably more elastic than supply. There would be no real reason for any company to artificially boost their prices and disadvantage themselves against the competition (unless of course they all do it, which isn't the case here). You could simply take your business elsewhere (not to mention almost every Asus retailer out there has a price match policy of some sort). Asus itself has little to gain by raising their prices unreasonably.

Besides, some retailers do put together the C90 for you, and others simply sell their own pre-built versions for you to customize. The G1 has several advantages over the C90: this is reflected in the difference of cost between desktop components and their laptop equivalents. Also, since retailers can use their own suppliers at their own discretion instead of paying for a pre-built system by Asus, they certainly can cut costs in both labor and parts. These savings will all be reflected in the final price that you, as the buyer, have to pay.

For those systems which you have to build yourself, obviously you're saving considerably on labor costs at the expense of time. For a pre-built system like the G1s, you're paying not only for the labor of a craftsman, but also the warranty and guaranties attached to it.

In short, think of it this way: you're not paying too much for the G1S; you're just getting a good deal on the C90s.

If you believe this to be the better deal for you, then by all means go for it. Keep in mind though, that 7 extra batteries add up in weight, and if you buy all 7 at the same time, they'll all be degrading even while not in use, and might well end up dying more or less at the same time.

 

I don't know much about the C90 but you're right about the Zepto being cheaper and comparable to the G1S but with a 14" screen. I don't agree with the price at all. I'm hoping the A8JS refresh will be about the same price as before (1,500 - 1,600). Supposively it'll have the same specs as the G1S

 

Anyone know where I can get a Zepto in Canada?

 

Buy the Zepto from their international site. They also said they'll invoice you for tax free payment, which means you're getting it cheaper than us in the UK (despite the fact the tax is listed on the site). Go go while stocks last

Alt. you can wait for them to bring out their US site. Apparently demand is so high for them in the US and CA that they're going over the pond ;D

 

The MSRP is closer to the current price then you think.

The main difference in terms of price is the warranty and the 30 day ZBD guarantee, both worth an easy $200-$300.

 

I disagree. That is a very fair price. An HP or a Dell would cost the same. If not more.

 

It's a little hard to compare these two because one is oem and the other is barebone. But I'm used to building custom desktop anyhow so to me oem never made any sense. If you are comparing performance for the price the C90 outweighs the G1S in terms of specs for specs. Therefore, it's much cheaper to go that route. But again this is from a custom builder perspective. However, the G1S is ready to go out of the box, and is more suitable for people who preferred a complete notebook solution. The C90 is for people who desire the best parts for the price and the ability to customize their own needs. I actually wanted the G1 in the first place but Asus disappointed me when they didn't make the G1S have MXM graphics; something a gaming laptop should have. Actually it makes a lot more sense on Asus's end because they can release the G1V or T with an 8800 or higher and make more money. Hence why I never like oem in the first place.

I actually enjoy putting things together since I'm used to building desktop. And IMO this will be popular as more users are comfortable doing so as if it's a desktop. But you're right it isn't for everyone and that's why the C90 will attract a different crowd and the G1S will respectively do the same. But IMO when more barebone becomes popular, it will be the future of mobile computing because users will demand flexibility and upgrade options; something that pre-built doesn't have. After all no one wants to shelve out $2K when all they need to upgrade is their gpu to play the next generation game.

 

I think people who believes the reseller only make about $50-$100 for each asus laptop is pretty gullible. I sometimes see them knock off $50 and giving out discount about $50 so I don't see how they make $50 for each laptop that's sold.

 

Ya thats not even possible that the markup be 100$

It depends on the model but it has to be $200 on this model or 10% and really it must be more

 

Eh $200 isn't too extreme of a profit margin...

Especially if you were to consider the cost if you built it yourself:

The OP mentioned GenTech so let's go with that. We'll compare it to just what you can find currently from newegg and/or a quick google search or in this forum.

C90S prebuilt as per GenTech / Individual Components

Intel Core 2 Duo Conroe E6700 2.66 GHz 1066FSB 4M
$345 / $318 from Newegg

Arctic Silver:
$3 / $6 from Newegg

Generic 3GB DDR-2 667 SODIMM (1x1GB + 1x2GB)
$163 / $95 from links in Bargain section of this forum (Corsair / Kingston )

Seagate Momentus 7200.2 160GB 7200RPM S-ATA 300
$175 / $166 from provantage

Intel 4965
$49 / $36 from PCConnection

Installation:
Free / Free (discounting your own time spent putting it together)

Total:
$735 / $621

Difference = $114.
You're not saving a whole lot of money by building it yourself, especially considering the labor involved.

Then if you want to consider the costs of the OS, assuming Vista ultimate 32-bit:

$215 /$360 from Bestbuy for a difference of $145.

Now you're actually losing $31 by building it yourself instead of buying everything from a retailer.

Now factor in the opportunity cost of your own time and labor spent building the machine instead of say, working at your day job (for an extreme example)...

Of course, the obvious would be to do a combination of the above for the best price, but you also have to deal with separate shipping costs.

Profit? Sure I'm sure they have a nice profit cushion there - esp. with any sort of bulk/business discounts they might get from their suppliers.
My point is, regardless of what their profit margins are, so long as their price falls within the range above, it's still a good deal for both retailer and consumer and NOT a rip-off.

Why shouldn't people be allowed to make a decent profit off their labor and services?

 

As counterpoint to some recent posts -

In discussions about profit margins in Asus notebook sales here in the past, *all* of the trusted resellers have discussed that their margin is somewhere less than 10%, across the majority of Asus' models. Some members have argued that this is disengenuous and retailers' giving artificial low numbers to make themselves look better and justify their pricing, but the fact that the amount is consistent across sources implies (to me) that while the exact number may vary somewhat, the range is more or less accurate; in addition, Asus contracts require resellers to offer models at certain pricing, and if this is violated they can be sanctioned.

The discounts that one sees in the reseller's pages are nearly always older releases that either they or Asus NA have on their shelves and are trying to clear out of their inventory before newer replacement refreshes arrive from Taiwan. As for the other retailers (i.e. Newegg, etc) that drop-ship their product from the distributors, the pricing is a bit more variable because the distis don't like getting stuck with product they have already purchased from Asus NA and no one is going to buy afterwards in the same scenario, so they can run lower in an attempt to maximize whatever profit they can from residual merchandise.

One problem is that people assume that notebooks work like desktops and DT components in terms of pricing, and the fact is they don't. The other issue is that you will pay more for Asus' version of a notebook and get the quality and warranty that goes with their products. You don't see anyone talking about how Mac notebooks are overpriced, although that point is debatable for the MBPro's - part of the elevated price is quality of construction and materials, the rest is name and service. If you equip a Dell XPS comparably to the G1S, the price is fairly close.... and for the difference you get Asus quality and support instead of Dell's outsourced goo. As with everything else in life, you get what you pay for.

 

I think it's more due to the fear (or at least reluctance to deal with) the fanaticism of the mac fan lynch mobs than anything else =P

 

elsalam 2lykom @mujtaba

1.ok ASUS WHY u r selling the G1S for a high price??
but BestBuy sell G1 for 1650 well other sell it 4 ~1750$ b4 not now
2.thats mean the c90 should cost more coz the resellers will not take the effort ,anyway ASUS notebooks and by ASUS notebooks r a quality notebook ive rarely heard from my freinds "all of them own asus notebookes" that they used the warranty
3.i know its power hungry but u can buy 2nd battery for ~70$ = 3 hours and i'm sure that well be some tweakin and undrvoltin

-Jabriiiz

 

@selsarrag
all resallers r installing the parts 4 free and oh my god there no proplem if its takes 3 hours to set it => 500$/3=166$ for 1hour

@taelrak

the only desktop component is the cpu and its cost 320$+500$=T7500 cost 820$!!

GooD point

rlly i don't care about the warranty

no i know it's crazy idea but u can go for another battery for 70$ and save the money for GPU upgrade

 

im praying to something like that happen soon


Zepto's are ugly and A8J too ihope a new gaming series laptop with 14.1 and CooL lookin

btotech offer ZBD like guarantee 4 50 bucks

use the NBR coupons and u will have a responsible price drop

-Jabriiiz

 

me too i luve doing these stuff

Definitely coz the cpu and ram don't make much difference on gaming i think C2D @ 2.00 and 2GB of ram will be good for 2.5 years of gaming and i don't care about quad core cpu's coz i'm not planning to play HD-DVD and burn some dvd's while i'm encoding divx and playing crysis at the same time

Do u know guyz if the nvidia 8600 have a somekind of technology like ati avivo whice speed up Divx encoding??

PS
i hope the g1s prices r just lunch prices and i hope to c 14.1 8600GT soon from ASUS

thx 4 replies

-Jabriiiz

 

By the way here , they sell lambror laptop VX1 "non wide screen version" with 7400 go for 3780$ !!!!
And a8f with core duo t2250/512/80/GMA950/ for 1500$
Lol

-Jabriiiz

 

The BB version has 1 year warranty vs 2 years, and doesn't include the accessories. Whether that is worth the extra amount of $$ is based on the buyers opinions.

That's a good thing that warranty isn't used, but in worse case scenrio and something happens, well, have fun with your $1600 paper weight.

You mean the 6 cell for $80~ for the c90? It won't give 3 hours for sure, even the 8 cell on the G1p is around 3 hours.

Um, nowhere was it ever stated that installing a notebook is free. Manual labour and expertise costs money, IT technicians, computer repair specialists all charge a pretty high flat rate per hour. The extra $ counts for the installing, testing and problem solving if it were to happen, as well as the warranty.

Well, don't complain if you get a $1800 paper weight

I don't understand.

 

And whats the cost of a 2 year worldwide warranty then? It all adds up in the end.

 

No i mean 2x battery the included one and another on 8 cell for ~79$

nop GenTech install the notebook 4 free and i ment dat he well save 500$ if he built it

emmmmm

-Jabriiiz

 

Why don't you just buy a C90 then?

 

well , mC90's and G1s apart
i think the Lamborguini VX2 is overpriced for a 15.4" laptop with a Nvidia7600 on it ! 3k+ .

 

Lamborghini cars are overpriced for what they are too. It is a name, a symbol and even an experience that you are buying at that point, not the actual product. How can Voodoo justify charging a $5300 BASE PRICE for its desktop replacement model.

EDIT: Anyone who says that putting together a laptop well is the same as putting together a desktop well has obviously never put together a laptop.

 

coz its not cool like G1S

DuDe u r buying a piece of art '' leather and carbon fiber'' and its 7700 and its cost 2750$

 

BINGO!!! And you have answered a good part of your original question.

 

It is definitely overpriced for its specs. I guess however, some people are willing to pay a premium for looks and style (both of which I don't think the VX2 has , but that's just me - I actually might've considered the VX2 with the go7700 instead of the v1 pre-SR if it wasn't for that awful lambo style...but that's completely off-topic.)

Realistically, is this really a laptop that you're planning to use on-the-go and running only on battery power? ...for one thing, would you even want to put it on your lap and risk burning off the top layer of your skin? =p
To me, this is more of a desktop replacement that just happens to be in a 15.4" frame and is portable enough to drag around to your friend's house for a LAN party, not something you'd be running off of a battery.

 

People pay more for "cool" all the time. Now you just need to measure the amount of "cool" you're getting and make sure it's a good "cool" per dollar ratio.

 

Blame Intel, their Mobile processors just more expensive than the desktop, this chart is sent by Asus:



Also higher clock speed doesn't mean better on notebook, there is battery life need to concern.
Platform is totally different, the lower clock speed on mobile procerssors are equivalent to higher clock speed on desktop CPUs.

The desktop CPUs does not run at 100% performance when it's put on a laptop MB.

 

the G1s correct price it's lunch price??
Anynews for 14.1 with 8600GT from asus?

-Jabriiiz

 

I don't know, is that comparable to the G1S dinner or breakfast prices?

Sorry, I couldn't help myself. anywho, the launch price is around 1999, some lower some are higher. The 14.1 (The A8 refresh I am assuming) is supposed to be out by the end of next month.

 

It's not all about specs. Look at Dell's Inspiron and XPS lines, and the huge price deltas between them. The G1S is aimed toward the high-end enthusiast who also wants all the bells and whistles that the G1S has to offer. The G1S has much better build quality than the C90S. The green lights and carbon fiber design might not be for you, but ASUS knows that people will pay a premium for this high end gaming notebook with all it's features.

 

I have one question. Did you discuss about advantages of 8600M GT 512MB from G1s versus 7700 in G1? any reviews between those two graphics?

 

three questions. how comparable are laptop and desktop processors of equal ghz? is the T7700 equal to the E6600?

& just to make sure, the c90s will only come with the 6 cell battery, right? there's no bigger battery, and there's no chance that a bigger battery will come out?

what's the weight of the c90s?

 

It is hard to compare a mobile platform to a desktop one, mainly because of the power usage issue. I would rank T7700 closer to an E6420.

I hope they include a bigger battery, but maybe restricted by the blower array.

C90s will weigh in at about 7 lbs.

 

Yes, that's exactly my point, desktop processors does not run 100% on laptop. I don't remember what's the standard on the desktop power supply, maybe around 500watts or more?

Another example of higher GHz doesn't mean faster. I remember about 5 years ago AMD launch the Athlon XP, their XP 1800+ CPU is only at 1.53GHz but out perform Intel's P4 2.0 because Athlon XP processors has shorter pipe.

 

ken i guess u r wrong coz E6600 and T7600 are C2D and they have the same architecture that's mean same number of pipeline correct me if i'm wrong

GooD that's mean rhe E6600 is ALOT better than T7700

I think that E6600 will perform in C90 when its plugged the same when it's in a desktop computer IMO

-Jabriiiz

 

so, a normal laptop with a t7700 will perform slightly worse in cpu intensive applications than a a normal desktop wih a e6600? it will perform at e6420 level?

and the hybrid c90s with a E6600 will perform slightly less because desktop processors do not run 100% on a laptop? at least that's what post #39 says.

so what, a c90s with a e6600 will be equivalent to a e6420 in a normal desktop? what would be the lowest that a e6600 in the c90s would be equivalent to in a desktop? what would be the most conservative estimate?

 

hey i was just wondering what source this is based on?

 

Considering all the different A8 ASUS has released in the past year(A8jm/jp/js/jr/t/s/r, etc.), It would be fairly good idea to assume that they will continue that trend - however the date is still quite unknown. The A8jm came out late last year with the 7600, and the A8js with the 7700 was out a few months ago, with quite a gap.

 

A8Jm and A8Ja (go7600 and x1600 respectively) came out around june last year, and A8Js (go7700) came out in october.

 

The mobile platform is made with a shorter pipe for energy reasons. Inside of a notebook the E6600 will be a bit faster, but not by more than 10 percent, and it will produce 20 percent more heat. I don't know if that matters but whatever.