Difficult Choice G1 now or 6months

Hello,
Recently i have been looking for a good gaming laptop and when I came across the Asus G1, it was the jackpot. The problem however, is that I do not really need it until June of next year but I still want it now for the better gaming experience and to finish homework while watching TV (during commerical breaks lol). Now my question is how much will the G1 be upgraded in 6 months and if it is worth the extra wait? More ram? Better graphics card? etc... I have heard that there is a G3 comming out in ??Febuary?? but that is a 17" LCD right? I prefer a 15.4" like the G1 or does anyone know if another G model might be comming out that is a 15.4"??? I also hear that there is something called direct x 10 comming out in april or somthing and that it will basically make graphics cards obsolete? I have no clue what that is so if someone could clarifiy it would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks for any replys

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Considering Vista, Direct X 10, Santa Rosa, I would not be very surprised if the technology was alot better then compared to now.

If you really can wait, its always better to - as you know how fast technology moves.

The G3 has no size confirmation but it may have the 7900 video card(Though the 8800 might be better , so I would only assume its a 17".

 

G3 has a size confirmation, IT IS 17".
The 8xxx series is also very nice, since it has Pixel shader 4 and DX10 however, those cards run hot and draw a lot of power, but you get a lot of performance too. So you won't see a 8800 series in a 15.4", but definately in a 17" from other brands.

It will be interesting to see 8700 or 8600 in 15.4" laptops and see how well the power consumption and heat dissipation operates.

 

When the question is... now or in 6 months, the answer is usually clear cut - one or the other. The bottom line is, you buy a system when you need it and you shouldn't have any regrets. In 2-3 years when you finally just get sick of looking at the same system in front of you and you start looking at new stuff, it's really not going to matter.

Santa Rosa chipset is not going to be life changing. A lot of people thought the 64bit merom cpu was going to change our lives, and not only were they mistaken, but it's going to be a few years before most people even have a chance to make use of 64bit in a practical manner. The real upgrade which can't be denied was the upgrade to the dual core cpu last spring.... that showed a huge improvement in battery life per performance. So when you want to question buying something today or in June of next year, of course there's going to be something new..... actually, by June we may actually not even have an upgrade to the G1 yet, but roughly around that time we should see something close to ready on the platform with the new chipset. The question begs to be asked though.... what can you accomplish over the next six months of your life with a new system and would possible changes mentioned above, coming over the next 6-8 months, how do you see that changing the way you work over the next 2-3-4 years - realistically?

I hope that helps you put that into perspective.

 

I just have one more question what exactly does direct x 10 do?

 

In 6 months there will be many things to tempt you to delay further a few more months for the newest video card or model of laptop, and then repeat again, its always the same story

As Milestone says, first gen of DX10 cards on laptops probably going to be battery-suckers producing too much heat... not very mobile if you want something besides a DTR. To get something akin to the 7700 on performance/size/battery life you're probably going to have to wait around a year....

 

DirectX is Microsoft's multimedia programming interface in Windows. Right now most of us are using DirectX 9. DirectX 10 will be coming with Vista.

Basically DirectX 10's software advancements and the new DX10 compliant hardware will allow game programmers to make much more detailed and realistic graphics. Current graphics cards, except the 8XXX series by nVidia can not run DX10. DX10 games will start coming out next year, but almost all of them should have a DX9 path in addition to the DX10 path so most people can still play it without having a state-of-the-art $300+ video card, it just won't look nearly as nice.

 

Na cant wait a year thats for sure... so might as well buy it after x-mas and enjoy it now =)

 

DX10, here's a quote from wikipedia,

DX10 allows for the next generation of graphics, newer graphics, more realistic graphics. The Nivdia 8xxx series has DX10 and PS4 (PM4), pixel shader 4 allows for the emulation of higher end graphics, so more performance and higher quality.

Crysis is the first game that will use DX10 and it looks amazing! The realism is just phenomenal, these next generation of games will still work on older graphics card with DX9 and PS3 technology, but you will loose some graphical differences.

Let me give you a quick example, I have a Dx8 card with PS1 technology, when playing COD2, I can look at the outdoor side wall of a house and it looks like a white painted wall. But if my video card had DX9 with PS2 technology, that same wall would be bricks with white lines, showing each individual brick, while the bullets show realistic damage to the walls.

So the next generation has improved image quality, but has also increased performance. Right now the 8800GTX and GTS can run all games at 1900x1200 max graphics without a hitch! Which is quite amazing to the previous generations of gpus. However these cards draw a huge amount of power, and they are hot cards, but it is worth it for desktop users.

Those with good desktop GPU's should just wait till the prices of the GTX and GTS to fall, and then it should become the most popular budget GPU in the market, just like the X1800XT was roughly 4 months ago.

 

so do u believe these dx10 graphics based cards will be effective when they are released with power consumtion and/heat emission. Or will it be too great that most laptops wont have it until like 6months of release?

 

It's hard to say, the desktop versions right now are huge, nearly a foot long as I recall and most people who have reviewed them have suggested people use huge power supplies because they are very power hungry. Obviously nVidia and ATi will be working hard to make more efficient and smaller models for the average desktop and notebook users. But will they be able to get them into anything but 17"+ desktop replacement notebooks any time soon? I don't know, it's too early for me to guess right now.

 

nVidia have a roadmap for a mobile DX10 GPU available March, however it looks like due to all of the power and heat issues that it is a very very entry level one, possibly akin to a Go-7300 or X1300 current GPU likely to be released with Santa Rosa chipsets at launch.
This as far as I can assertain is the ONLY mobile DX10 GPU on any forseeable current roadmaps.
So who knows when we'll have a 7700 DX10 equvalent in a notebook? six months? a year as guessed previously?

 

I like that or even better...for the w3j

 

the gpus are always introduced the top end first.

I dont know where youre reading about march. Look for the 8800 go gpu in jan. first week. Where is this nvidia roadmap youre refering to?

It will be a lot like the 7900 gtx with new functions.

It wont even be introduced in the xps type computer this is going to be the launching for i think its called e1706

Dell usually buys the line introduction models.

The 8400 will be next its going to be feb e1506?

last would be the 8600. Gpus have come out this exact same way for like 10 years

 

I'm sure we will see higher end DX10 cards in clevo chassis and the larger Dells first as stated, yes. However in mainstream machines there is no decent gaming chip on the immediate horizon.

 

As far as DX10 is concerned, I have been told that the mobile 8xxx will be more like Q3 2007. And the first DX10's are "maybe" going to come out in July '07. This comes from Donald Stratton of Powernotebooks, so maybe Danny, Eddie, or Justin can add to what he has reported.

I covered it here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=90994

 

This thread seems to bring up a common thing here. DX10 is like most technologies, if you want a nice computer it will be necessary, but it isn't out yet, so if DX10 isn't critical to your computer, then don't wait. If you know that you will need DX10, as in it isn't a question, then get the computer when DX10 is out and ready.

 

Well I appreciate all information. Rumors and speculation as well.

But lets consider the source of that speculation and what they would prefer.

Believe me, for some reason future technology is always described as too hot its impossible etc. Can never be done just buy whats for sale now....

Always seems to come out at the ideal time based on obsoletion factors.

Before there was even a dx10, before there was a vista release there was a laptop gpu that ran it to show microsoft.

computers are laptops now. There is no purpose to a desktop gpu, or a desktop operating system. When vista comes out end of jan, there will be laptops for sale that use dx 10 (might be hard to get might not) Youve got to understand, theres nothing hotter about a dx10 gpu, its just this 8800 gtx thats hot. dx10 compatibility can be worked into all the gpu designs were using now.
theres really no technology hurdle someone in a clean room needs to invent.

You can call that my speculation but Im rewriting from the nvidia forums. A desktop only gpu is not a large enough market to develop a game for, an os feature etc.

 

this is what the 8800 go is its the 7900 gtx dx10 compatible. So while someone is saying july for the version that is like these desktop cards the mobile gpu is already ready to go

more specifically it is this 7950 gx2 card in the sager 5670 and xps 1710. It will be sold in the new mainstream model as 8800 go ( or whatever name makes sense)

 

I think I would prefer the prediction of Donald Stratton to your inane ramblings and, as ever, wholly baseless speculation, stamar.

By the way, how is your much promised and even more anticipated review of your A8Js coming along? I trust that it will be compendious and it will be exemplary compared with all of those previous reviewers who failed in their duty, owed personally to you, to provide you with every piece of trivia you required.

 

I had to think for a second over whether you had something you wanted to add....

Or you had something you wanted to figure out....

Or you belonged on my ignore list.

 

Please avoid personal insults on the forums. It doesn't help the discussion or the OP any.

I did write a bit on the buy nor or wait topic that you may be interested in:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=1670814&postcount=5
It's part of my "Finding the Right Notebook" guide.

 

The 8xxx and 7xxx series have completely different physical and logical architectures. A 7900 will not magically become an 8xxx series, whether we're talking about a Go model or a mid-range desktop card. They did require clean rooms and had been working for 3 years completely redesigning, from the ground up, the architecture for what is now the 8 series.