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    G1S bios 205 DOES NOT FIX CPU PROBLEM..worst

    Discussion in 'Asus' started by adolfotregosa, Oct 19, 2007.

  1. adolfotregosa

    adolfotregosa Notebook Evangelist

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    I will never talk about this problem if the power supply comes to talk.. The tm1 and tm2 are CPU overheat protections. The bios has tm1 and tm2 policy badly implemented. This bios is litle beter but still not perfect. I use the laptop with tm1 and tm2 disable since i found it and NOW i like the laptop. It's not a perfect solutions for people who use linux, but who uses windows are in luck.

    BIOS 205 ADDS OPTION ON ADVANCED - IDE CONFIGURATION - "SATA MODE - compatible" so users can install xp without using nlite to integrating drivers.

    Now about the CPU PROBLEM.
    I didn't want do say this but... the bug is deaper.. just see the first picture. I was running super-pi, orthos, hdr real time.
    NO BATERY , tm1 and 2 ENABLED. Watch cpu-z and the monitoring grafic on rmclock and real time FPS:


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    WITH TM1 AND TM2 DISABLE, NO BATERY
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    WITH TM1 AND TM2 DISABLE, BATERY CHARGING. So the problem does not ONLY afect while charging batery...
    [​IMG]
     
  2. Theros123

    Theros123 Web Designer & Developer

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    so wtf Asus?
     
  3. Geared2play.com

    Geared2play.com Company Representative

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    like i said in all your other threads. I have good reason to belive this was done intentionally to prevent the power supply from overheating.
     
  4. irablumberg

    irablumberg Notebook Consultant

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    The only problem with this theory is that the G2S is listed as using the same power supply and yet the G2S does not have this problem, nor, from what we have seen, does the power supply melt.

    Ira
     
  5. Geared2play.com

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    g2s has 120w NOT 90w
    g1s has 90W NOT 120W
    c90s has 90w. c90s has know issue with 90w when gg3 vga card is present. solution? use 120w! z80k (very old model) had underpowered ac adapter. died after a few months when higher end cpus were used. solution use 120w instead of 90w or leave in a fully charged battery this way the notebook will default to battery when ac overheats. Everything leads back to the 90w ac adapter which is without a question UNDERPOWERED. it is underpowered whether this cpu issue was done intentionally or not the g1s HAS to have a 120w adapter if the unit is charging and playing games or doing anything that requires more then 90w. charging and playing games requires more then 90w. best solution is kill the cpu to prevent the ac adapter from frying. I am no engineer but i doubt they will revise the bios.
     
  6. Theros123

    Theros123 Web Designer & Developer

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    Are you serious? So they designed this on purpose!!?!? Why would they switch the type of adapter between the two sizes... What's the point of that?!?! And is there a way to buy the 120w supply then?
     
  7. adolfotregosa

    adolfotregosa Notebook Evangelist

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    ok. I will not talk about this. i'll let the photos speak for me..

    [​IMG]

    Power suply - 19 V - 4.74A

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    4.55A

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    stress tools runing - tm1 and 2 off - 4.54A

    [​IMG]

    tm1 and 2 ON

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    tm1 and 2 OFF

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    TM1 AND 2 DOES NOT HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE POWER SUPPLY. IT HAS 4.74A AND IT NEVER PASSED 4.56A AND CHANGING TM1 AND 2 ON/OFF DID NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE. FINAL POINT ON THIS SUBJECT PLEASE
     
  8. Theros123

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    its the damned BIOs then?
     
  9. starstreak

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    arrr my brain hurts
     
  10. starstreak

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    wait, way at the top. so now I can install my XP without drivers?
     
  11. adolfotregosa

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    if you change the sata setting , yes
     
  12. Q8PHANTOM

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    Don't worry adolfotregosa I'm sure this is not a hardware issue and it's related to BIOS or Software but i reach 27s with TM1 & TM2 and that's very interesting for me.
     
  13. starstreak

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    But I need to upgrade to the new bios. But you don't recomend that becuase it causes more trouble?

     
  14. adolfotregosa

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    that happens with all the bios. Just use rmclock, what's the problem with that ?? tm1 and 2 are cpu functions on overheat. The laptop itself has the apci thermal protection for that. you are safe using all bios versions and disable tm1 and 2 with rmclock
     
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    Hey adolfotregosa have you tried to undervolt the CPU? I've lowered it to like 1.050V and I don't see that "much" of improvement in terms of temperature, it used to idle at like 61, now its at maybe 56-58... On full load, its still goes up to 75 at times, although mostly in the high 60s... Am I just expecting too great of results?
     
  16. adolfotregosa

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    when rmclock has fully support for the dynamic fsb I do intend to underclock. 75º is great but since the cpu is graded @100º I really don't "care" :) i'm not heat fobic.
     
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    really? When I first got it, full load was at about 95 and the keyboard would be scorching. Now, with the undervolt (to 1.063) My temp on full load is about 70 and is a lot easier on the hands
     
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    WOW... 95?!?? That's insane... mine idles around 55-60 now with the undervolt which is makes it near silent :p
     
  19. adolfotregosa

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    no undervolt

    cpu idles around 50º max 82

    gpu idles around 56 max of max 90 with overclock, normally stays at 86º
     
  20. khanhfat

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    If u can't change sata setting , you should google how to intergrate sata driver to winxp disc in order to make installation works.
    This is kinda annoying with laptop and desktop with sata drives, i never had this issue before until i use laptop with chipset 965.

    Google using Nlite to make sata winxp driver disc.. This threa d is here somewhere but i'll post the guide if any body needs it.
     
  21. E.B.E.

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    Undervolting usually gives a temperature drop of around 10 Celsius degrees under full load. Probably if the CPU happens to run very cool before the undervolting, you won't gain as much. But it's always worth a try.

    About the G1S speed issue: it seems quite clear that it's just a bug and ASUS are trying to blame it on an underpowered adapter. What I fail to see is why: having an underpowered adapter means faulty design, which is much, much worse than having BIOS bugs...
     
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    so... if we buy a 120volt adapter, will it work correctly?
     
  23. adolfotregosa

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    no, has simple has that. no. the bios has to be corrected or use rmclock