G1S cpu problem, possible solution !!

Guys , test this please , it's working here !!!! USING RMCLOCK 2.30 remove those options, choose mobile cpu, apply and test it

 

I would test it out, but it doesn't seem to like my x64 install of Vista

 

reboot, press F8, disable driver signing and try it out

 

Now thats VERY, VERY interesting. Well done Adolfo!

Super pi 72-75% on Battery (TM1+2 Disabled): 23.525
Super pi 72% Battery, Charging (TM1+2 Disabled): 24.555
Super pi 70% Battery, Charging (TM1+2 Enabled): 44.241

Theres still "something else" going on since you can see the performance on battery is still higher than when its charging and the same is true at 90-100% (22.448 super pi score on battery between 90-100% power).

So does this show that ASUS's claim that this performance problem is due to "an adaptor protection mechanism" is complete BS? [BS="nonsense" for the non-native English speakers]

Also what are the risks with disabling thermal monitoring? And is it really neccessary to Enable Extended Throttling (I didnt)?

 

Probably none since the cpu max temp is 100ºc and mine g1s tops at 85ºc. That thermal appears to be the cpu one, not the laptop itself. I mean that if something went wrong the laptop would still shutdown normally !! Well, i know that this is not the perfect solution but at least it works

good to make you guys smille again !!

 

Yup its an interesting work around

However I wont be REALLY happy until I'm able to hit in the ballpark of that 22.5s super pi score while running in HP mode on AC power. Basically with the performance as it is 99.95% of the time (i.e. running at @95% of full CPU speed while on AC power) we all might as well have saved some money and bought cheaper laptops with T7200 rather than T7500s.

Anyways the question still stands - does this suggest that the ASUS explanation for the cause of this issue is essentially nonsense?

 

why of course !! I gave the Asus vx2s has a comparison on asus forum that has the "same hardware and power supply. You have the compal FL90 series, i know that the acer 5920 does not have a 7500 cpu but i'm shure that if you put a 7500 or 7700 on it, it will work like it should.

From the beginning i said the it was an acpi bug on the bios.

Also on rmclock we deal with the CPU THERMAL PROTECTION monitors, what in name of god has that to do with the power supply ??

There you have it !!! now... I want the bios fixed , pronto.

 

I don't recall who posted this, but early on after discovering this problem, someone flashed the G2s BIOS into a G1s. IIRC, the built-in keyboard had a problem, but the CPU bug definitely went away.

This seems like pretty compelling evidence that this problem is indeed a BIOS bug.

Ira

 

It was me

 

Oh I'm pretty sure it's a BIOS bug (it stands to reason that it is so). The convoluted, near-impossible-to-read explanation from the ASUS rep on the other thread is most likely just a way in which ASUS tries to get by the problem without accepting it is actually a fault on their side.

 

Hi, new poster here, but have been reading this thread for the past couple of weeks.

Was ready to pounce on the G1S, but after reading the CPU speedstep issue, I called Asus to see if they are going to fix it because it will be a deal breaker for me.

The tech there says that they are aware, and a new BIOS (205) will be out in a couple of weeks.

Then again, I remember that in a post dated last month.

I want a nice gaming laptop that also have decent battery life already! The G1S seems to fit that bill perfectly.

No other laptop seem to have the 8600m GT with DDR3 memory (that's resonably priced).

 

Using RMClock appears to get CPU performance back up to 90% of max. Each user has to make up his/her own mind about whether this is good enough until a BIOS update appears.

For me, it is fine and the rest of the machine is just great.

Ira

 

I will be dual-booting to Ubuntu as well, so this will affect me there. RMClock is for Windows only, and that would definately help when I'm in a mood to play games a do a lil surfing between games.

I do most of my computing in Ubuntu (computing-style choice - kinda like a lifestyle choice, lol).

 

it's a comprimise you'll have to do to yourself. Buy it and wait for the bios

 

http://acpi.sourceforge.net/documentation/processor.html

Not too difficult to change to the state you want.

ATM the main problem with the G1S under ubuntu (Gutsy) is the NVIDIA driver and Compiz. Fingers crossed it should be a nice Vista replacement come release and a new driver.

 

Seems like you guys have been waiting since July!

 

Even with the BIOS bug, it's a fine laptop. I've been completely happy with its performance, once I nuked Vista that is.

 

+Rep for you!
Amazing finds.

 

I agree that even with the bios bug its an amazing laptop. My laptop still runs with the bug, im waiting for the bios fix. Up to now ive never had the need for more power and i havent been affected by the bios bug. So i love this laptop!

U new guy, check this thread out http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=146088

 

BRAVO...instant win. we should have a statue erected in your honor. Thank you so much! My x7800 ran at about half speed with the power plug in...no matter what my battery level was at (about 40~50 sec for 1M of super pi). Running on battery, the score was consistently at 21 seconds. Thanks to you, I'm getting sub 20 seconds now with the g1s plugged in!! sweeet

 

Thanks adolfotregosa.

Just to let you guys know the official BIOS for G1S to fix the CPU problem is coming out very soon.

 

Woot Woot Woot Woot Woot Woot Woot

 

u got a G1s w/ x7800 proccesor?

 

please...please!!! do not take me wrong!! but how do you know that? you allready said that almost 2 month ago :S

 

I did said that 2 month ago? I don't remember that.

But yes, G1S official BIOS is coming out soon to fix CPU problem.

 

haha...yup. saw it on taobao (chinese ebay) for a crazy discounted price. so...was actually cheaper than a T7500. So what not? Installed it myself...has been working beautifully for the past 3 months. i love the fact the cpu is right there in front of u after just opening one panel in the back. I love this laptop...despite its flaws..

 

Hi all,
I struggling to understand how to optimize this great notebook. So I have downloaded this RMClock appliactions and toggled off the boxes that the picture shows. Unfortuantly I get no change in CPU speed. The core spped swings from 1.20 GHz to 2.19 GHz, but it mostly stays at 1.20 GHz. This is the same speeds I get whather I have the A/C pluged in or not. I also toggles the boxes back ot the original setting and am still gettign the same speeds. So basically I am running at 1.20 GHz regardless if I use the RMClock application or if my A/C is plugged in or not. Can someone help in understanding what I'm doing wrong. I never updated the BIOS not sure how and am basically running my notebook with factory settings with some bloatware unistalled.

 

The CPU is speedstepping. Removing SpeedStep is not the purpose of that fix. You got it wrong.

Google for Intel Speedstep to find out what your CPU is doing.

 

Should I remove Intel Speedstep. I can't find it in the control panel. Mabye I uninstalled it by mistake.

 

you can not , at least for now, force the cpu (a santa rosa cpu) at maximum speed. Also why do you want it at max ?? dynamic speed is the best choice.

 

Not sure what dynamic speed is.

I just want to make sure my notebook is running at the best speed possible. Basically if I use this RMClock and I play a graphic intense game will my CPU be running at 1.20GHz or will is "speedstep" up to 2.19GHz.

Also would you recomend that I update my BIos from the one that came installed when I bought it?

 

First , BIOS update takes less than 7 minutes and it's easy so go and update to 205 bios.
For the CPU problem you should check my video at YouTube click.
You see that when the CPU needs the full 2.2GHz it will clock to 2.2GHz if TM1 and TM2 are disabled but if they are enabled it will stay at 1.2GHz so don't worry about this problem run anything that really needs this power and the CPU will clock itself to 2.2GHz.
The CPU clock itself to 1.2GHz because basically at that time the computer doesn't need that power so the CPU will bee cooler and save more battery but if you run a game or a programs that needs this power the CPU will clock itself again to 2.2GHz.
Hope this helps.
If you have more questions you can ask us.

 

Hey guys, I have the G1S-A1 series laptop and have been looking for ways to speed it up a bit. I came across this thread and really liked the outcome! However, I cannot seem to get it to work appropriately. I have downloaded and installed the BIOS version 205, I have installed RMClock and Super Pi, yet when I disable the thermal monitors I do not get any gains in Core Clock speeds.... what could be the cause of this?

 

Note that the CPU will only throttle to the fastest available speed IF NEEDED. So, even if you disabled TM1 and TM2 and your CPU is working properly, it will stay at lowest clock if that is enough to run the tasks, and the high clocks will only kick in when necessary.

That is the normal way in which the CPU functions, and that's how it should be.

 

Yes that's exactly what Asus told me when they sent me the BIOS 205, that's how they decided what it should be on G1S.

 

No, I was talking about IntelSpeedstep not about topping the CPU at a lower speed than maximum when the battery is under 90% and charging.

The first is normal behavior. IntelSpeedstep will throttle to full if needed regardless of batt charge, and assuming the power profile does not prevent it.

The second thing is a fault. I don't believe ASUS engineers "want" it that way, I (very strongly) believe they can't fix or don't want to invest the time into fixing the bug.

 

It's how MB was designed to prevent overheating, I don't know if they want to fix it with BIOS update but I was told they want it that way with V205.

 

Strange then how nobody gets overheating laptops after disabling TM1 and TM2 & using their CPUs full blast...

Anyway, overheating of what? Power supply?

BTW, has anyone actually tried disabling TM1 and TM2 and running the notebook full-blast (e.g., 3D Mark) while battery is charging? If the ASUS reasons are correct, that should burn out some adapters.

So, people, don't try this at home.

But I would be interested to sort this thing out once and for all. I actually distrust ASUS with their BIOS fixes & statements, and expect nothing bad will happen, but of course I might be wrong.

 

since i found the "cure" that i've been using it and i have nothing about heat to report and you guys know/see that i overclock how much i can and still nothing. asus fix the damm bios lolol

 

Yes, but did you try to run your notebook full-blast while charging & below 90%? CPU at full blast using something like Intel Thermal Analysis Tool.

But be aware if ASUS is truthful about this you might burn your adapter

 

of course i did/do almost every day ! i can also tell that when gaming something heavy and charging the battery the charge is really really slow, so, the power management on the laptop is working really well! once again i do not understand asus/bios and sincerelly, NOW, i don't care since i've got rmclock to fix the problem. I only fell sorry for those who use linux.
also don't forget that i overclock.

I already proven on another post,please read it :

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=180364

that the laptop does not bypass the powersupply power (amps) with tm1 and tm2 disable

 

Oh yeah I remember your post now. I had forgotten about it, sorry.

So, maybe ASUS has limited performance in order to have a good amount of current going into the batt. There is no batt safety issues, batteries actually feel better with lower amps rather than forcefully charged.

Maybe there are other collateral issues that we don't realize at this point...

Either that, or the ASUS statement is misleading.

 

I really really prefer a battery charged slowly and have my performance has default !! that would be nice basically asus just doesn't want to waste time on this matter.

 

Well I run the Super Pi program which takes CPU resources up to 90-100% and my core speeds never went above 1200Mhz. So, the problem I feel I am having is that with the new updated BIOS v205, is that even if I disable the thermal monitors it will not allow my CPU to go up to its full speeds.

Adolfotregosa, have you been able to get increases in the core speeds with the newest 205 BIOS version? I am assuming Super Pi & RMClock is the best method to determine top core clock speeds.

EDIT: I feel like a dummy, had the power settings set to battery saving. Sorry for any confusion.

 

Heh no problem Good you figured it out.

 

I'm new to this thread... I am sure it is a Bios bug, as Adolfo has clearly demonstrated with various observations and tests. The one that really stuck out was his implementation of a G2S bios version into the G1s and getting positive results despite the lack of keyboard function. This is obviously a problem that should be solved by Asus, especially due to their claims about having superior customer service. Adolfo, have you been able to contact Asus customer service and describe your success with a different bios? Maybe that will get them off their asses and pointed in the right direction, yet again, they could exactly know what is going and be keeping us in the dark for a particular reason.

 

Actually, ASUS have a history of being slow to fix firmware bugs.

Furthermore, as GenTechPC or Geared2Play (I don't remember who) said, they consider this issue "fixed" by the new BIOS version. So they won't admit to the problem still existing; therefore I wouldn't hold my breath for a real fix.

 

We should pressure Asus by telling them that we will have to expose this annoying and ridiculous flaw in major laptop review sites in order to enhance their customer support. As I hear, many gamers look to these sites for advice and would surely take this gamer-nightmare of a problem down the spines of the Asus programmers, since the Asus G1S is aimed at gaming portability. Either a nice and clear explaination or a timely bug fix would surely compensate for their lack of quality customer service. A part from this Bios flaw, this laptop is almost perfect for it's price, what a shame that such a little issue could be causing gamers such an annoyance. Asus needs to wake up and realize that such little but annoying flaws ruin the gamer's experience.

 

As long as it doesn't hurt sales, they don't care.

Maybe the answer is putting it in major review sites -- but who's going to do that?