G1S-A1 8600GT Temp Problem

Is it normal for my 8600GT to hit temperatures of 99-110C under load? Think my laptop is doomed?

 

From what I hear, those temps are pretty normal for the G1S. They aren't normal for the card, but that is the way most G1S laptops are.

-J.B.

 

That is still insanely high. My 8600 (DDR2) is 62c idle, and 79c under load. Of course, I don't have an Asus, I have a Compal IFL90. But the gpu is the same, and anything above 90c should be of concern.

 

May be should you get a cooler

 

I have thos temps as well

 

Those are a bit high even for a G1S... but not "abnormally" high.

Make sure to clean your fan and heatsink grill if you didn't do it in a while.

There are other things to do, like remove the bay doors on the belly of the notebook, etc. but they go beyond typical usage. A cooler may also help.

 

Also make sure that the notebook is on a level hard surface, not a bed, sofa, lap. This way the vents won't be blocked and the hot air can exhaust out.

 

my laptop goes 109 under maximum load

 

You really need to do something about it!

Have you done any modifications ? What is the room temperature ?

 

Are you still talking only about the gpu. . . I mean there are a lot of things that can be 109C. . . .

But have any of you guys been overclocking at all. I haven't done it in a while and I don't have temps, but I've played with it on my g1s. . . I think the first ones that were released have had less problems with heating than the subsequent.

There's a pretty good cooler guide on the accessory thread.

 

Are you suffering from stuttering when the graphic card hits 96C?

EDIT: But yes, 99~100C is wayyy too high for the graphics card. You might want to consider purchasing a laptop cooler, reduce the work of graphics card (by lowering eye candies), or apply aftermarket thermal paste on the graphics card (not recommended if you don't want to void your warranty).

 

Unfortunately by what other people are reporting, 99-100+ is rather typical for G1S... on the high side, yes, but still in the typical range. It's just one hot laptop....

 

get yourself a notebook-cooler and then remove the tapes that cover the air vents (on your own risk of course - it might void warranty)

It does have an insane effect on your CPU/GPU temps...I had about the same temperatures as you, without the back raised 108°C with back raised around 97°C for GPU and as high as 80°C CPU!
Now I've the graphicscard heavily overclocked and reach only 85°C, and CPU only 53°C, that's in both cases around 25° improvement with overclock

Have a look

 

What are the temps on your HDD? Some people have reported that removing those tapes cuts off ventilation on the HDD and its temps increase as a consequence.

 

Yes I can confirm this, however it only has an impact when you use the notebook without the coolingpad, which I do only about 2 times a week for a relatively short time, when I need it at university. It's about 3-5°C warmer than before, so it idles around 45-47°C.

But as you can see on the screenshot it's only at around 30°C when using the coolingpad, which I do about 90% of the time, so I guess that compensates it pretty much

 

If there's only a 3 degree increase in HDD temps I think it's worth it.

These are w/ cooling pad, right?

 

With coolingpad and removed tapes, sorry if it wasn't clear.

 

E.B.E. is right.- many G1s users are reporting such temperatures. However, I'd strongly advise you to RMA the sucker. First because the infamous 8600M GT stutter kicks in at 96°C due to the GPU throttle that's supposed to keep it from getting too hot and second because your GPU certainly is not meant to run under these circumstances for long.

Check out these threads for further infos on the stuttering:

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=220953
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=207592
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=249503

I called Asus' local support line and they said that the notebook reaching these temperatures and the occuring stuttering clearly are typical RMA-cases. I'm going to have my G1s picked up as soon as I can afford not having a notebook for whatever time it takes them to fix that.

The other possible solution would be to take it apart and refit the GPU heatsink and apply arctic silver cooling paste but I'd advise you not to do that if you aren't really tech savvy- also you'd void your warranty by doing that.

 

I appreciate all the info, luckily I bought extended warranty for my G1S-A1. So I guess ill drop it off to get examined or replaced

 

Examining and replacing is unfortunately not likely to get you anywhere I'm afraid, besides of course getting new components that are not affected by prolonged heat exposure (unlike the ones you have, which were affected). Why? Because all the G1S-es are hot machines...

Instead, how about trying to remove those tapes nattfoedd mentioned? If you gain 10 degrees with that, and your HDD is only 3 degrees hotter, I think it's livable. You may be voiding the warranty, though -- I don't really know how ASUS would look on the removal of those tapes... so of course, in the end, it's up to you to decide.

 

What are these "tapes" you guys are talking about ? I've read this thread but what exactly are they for ?

Oh yeah...fwiw my gpu temps have never gone above 67c (f8sn/9500m gpu) in even the most demanding games.

 

Hmm, there was a guide with pictures posted a long while ago...

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?p=2494039#post2494039

the pictures are gone in the meantime unfortunately.

The tapes are only on G1 so for your F8 this does not apply.

 

@E.B.E.

I don't think you are right on that. Just because many people report those incredibly high temps does not necessarily mean it is intended. Of course the G1s's cooling walks on thin ice (haha! ) but still: It's constructed to keep the GPU below or at least within the low 90s. So if someone's cooling does not provide these temperatures they need to have a look at that.

@ TO:
However, it is EXTREMELY important to let the RMA-guys know that you know what you are talking about and that you mean business! I suppose nothing is going to happen if you don't tell em exactly how they can reproduce the problem and what you think is wrong.

Here's how to show both the crazy temperatures as well as the stuttering that is most likely to occur at about 96°C without the sleep fix applied:

1)get, install and run RivaTuner to observe the GPU temperatures
2)get, install and run GPU caps viewer 1.4.2- OpenGL GPU burner Fur Rendering
3)wait the ~90 secs it'll take until the GPU reaches said 96°C and watch either one of two possible things:
a) the throttling kicks in, thus producing stuttering and temperature increasing a little slower
b) the throttling does not kick in and the GPU temperature increases at the same rate until it reaches 110°C. Then you can observe in RivaTuner how the GPU clocks are lowered every few seconds in order to keep the GPU at that temp.

I'm pretty sure this is 100% reproduceable and everything Asus techies can do to improve your notebook's cooling as in refitting the heatsinks without a huge gap in between it and the GPU or reapplying thermal paste can be benchmarked this way.

If you run the benchmark and experience anything that I did not prognosticate above please tell us!

 

I used ATItool to see my temps and test for the throttling. It is definitely present. Once the GPU reaches 96C FPS takes a dive, and once it hits 110C another dive in FPS.

 

IVe been overclocking, however, the temps are the same :// I think its the drivers

 

What drivers is this, its more likely that the driver reports liable temperature, than the GPU really goes that high. Mine has hit 100 when I first run it with Assassins Creed, but 110 is really going to fry things up. Even when Idle CPU/GPU - I can feel those 60°C below the keyboard.

Have you try with any other drivers ?

 

Thanks. I knew the tapes were G1 specific but could not figure out why they were even there.

Just goes to show how well the F8Sn's handle heat compared with the G1 since both have comparable gpu's.

You'd think Asus would have come up with a better way to deal with the heat on the G1's. Those posted temps are terrible !

 

The tapes were, I think, intended to push some of the airflow around the HDD. But they seem to be doing more bad than good, in some cases.

Yep, you're right. To make it more correct, I should have said that it's difficult to tell whether sending it to have components replaced will help decrease the temps.

 

Given that fact that approximately half of all G1s laptops won't run that hot leaves at least a little hope that every product that does happens to have a misplaced heat spreader or something up that alley.

 

Has anyone actually returned their G1S to ASUS and seen a decrease in temps? I tried the tape trick. It helps a little bit but on summer days the graphics card can still get up to 100 degrees after extended use. What's the sleep fix and what's this about the bay doors? What cooler would people recommend?

 

Mine also runs hot. I have to perform the sleep trick to avoid judder. After this, the GPU temp maxes out at approx. 97.

When I went through my phase of trying every driver under the sun, there was one particular one driver (174.31) that caused the GPU temp to reach over 104 consistantly, so I switched to another.

I know these temps are much higher than all other 8600M GT laptops, except I think two others, but it's just the way they are. I'm not sure how long they'll all last, we'll have to wait and see, maybe two years from now, the Laptop Scrapyards will all be over-run with G1S's

 

I only pray mine lasts 2 years. The G1S has had so many problems...

 

What is the sleep trick? Just putting it to sleep or turning it off while it cools down or is there something more to it?

 

Sleep -> Resume

Your GPU won't stutter at 96C anymore, unless it hits 110C

 

You will frie out your motherboard!!! Just as I did when i had this G1S! I gave it away (motherboard dead) and got an acer, now, i have 44c stable and 61 full load

 

~90 is normal for average, I think 110 is the maximum bios side where the gpu shuts itself down

 

That's a great trick ! Thanks
Just hope it won't be fixed in the future..

 

just letting you guys know that mine crapped out today. Red checkered/plaid pattern all over the screen and after restarting it won't boot all the way anymore, when the login screen is about to come up it just cycles back to the "asus" bios/boot screen and starts over

 

I'm almost positive that your GPU is fried and would need a mobo/GPU replacement. If it's under warranty, I'd suggest RMAing it to Asus ASAP. If it's out of warranty, this might be a good time to invest in a new laptop.

 

im on my 3rd RMA with the G1s

just hope that they dont send it back with a 8600M in it or you're doomed to a multiple RMA party like myself