G1s/G2s owners listen up.

I'm sure there could be done something about it without much effort....for example, the connection between the GPU and the CPU is a copper and aluminium, according to adolfotregosa placing some MX-2 paste on their connections drops the GPU temps few degrees down. I'm going to focus on that direction and try to figure a way out....it's really annoying fact that I spend $2'000 on this awesome machine and I can't play a darn game summertime....

BTW, what's is the middle temperature that you guyz get for the HDD ? I'm concerned mine goes up to 60C last few days (well, ambient is near 30 so it's possibly the main reason) ?

 

I'm regularly getting some 52ish on my harddisk. 5400rpm of course.

It's almost 30°C outside as well.

 

butter smooth---after playing bioshock for a couple hours my gpu only reached 83C, or so NHC said. I'll check again tonight.

 

i can play crysis on freakin high and not get above 75c.. put some as5 on both sides of your gpu chippy. and take those lame thermal pads off. thats what your guys problem is. everything is stock. i think when they made this notebook it was intended for expensive solitare playing and not much thought went in to actually using the nb to its potential. there are tons and tons of different things you can do to improve your gaming performance. one thing to take into consideration is that the t7500 isnt the greatest chip in the world its a slow processer with the clock speed boosted, making it draw more heat and power than a better one. in fact it actually makes the computer run hotter because of the way its built. the t9300 runs 15c cooler for everything.. i mean with the load taken off the gpu to do everything the gpu runs cooler. it is all in the same board ya know. also changing your drivers and overclocking probably isnt helping you guys much at all either. it sounds like you guys overloaded your os load. those drivers off laptop video 2 go with modded inf's require more than the 35watts of power your portable transformers are providing. desktops cpus and gpus run on 65watts. right??

 

Dude, you need to be more precise.

1. What do you mean by "both sides of your GPU chippy" ?!?! There's only one side that we can reach and that's the top of the chip, the place it's connecting with the sink.

2. 70c GPU ? That's like my idle temp, are you sure you are not using a cooler or your ambient temps are -20 ?

3. What drivers ? Release ? From where ?

4. Changing the CPU is not what we are searching for ! I'm using T7700 and it gets 70 on max load when the plates are off!

 

So what do you suggest? Using the drivers ASUS provides? Let me see... Ah, right! June 2007. I bet those will solve our problems. Note: They don't. It's not like people haven't already tried it.

But as for the rest: You're right, Asus didn't do everythin in their might to let this thing run cooler- Still there are people out there who don't reach those GPU temps without having done anything to their GPUs. Your advice is appreciated but believe me- if it was that easy, the suttering threads wouldn't be hitting the 100+ pages mark.

I think you still did not explain what you meant by "put some as5 on both sides of your gpu chippy". Would you mind explaining this for there seems to be quite a bunch of people who want to know about it.

 

Sure. if you take out the mobo from the case entirely if you look on the keyboard side of the mobo you will see that there is another thermal surface for the gpu that just hits a thermal pad resting below top button panel. you can take some of that brass sticker underneath the cpu cover and cut it up into 4 small squares and remove the thermal pad put a dot the size of a half of grain of rice of thermal compound on the chip after cleaning it and place those 4 pieces of thermal blocking sticker on top after you cleaned them brass side down obviously its the same thing as the brass heatsink so instead of the pad melting from 100c running an overclocked gpu and taking up way too much power for its own capacity you can run your system cooler prolly around lik 85c tops. based on your 65nm processors that are prolly overclocked too. maybe higher temps should be expected. mine runs at 75 at full speed for hours. and my fan doesnt come on unless i just start up the computer or im playing a game or running one of my programs or something. but my comp idles at 35c gpu is like 51c roughly and my cpu temp is 60c at full power. no overclocking and no modded drivers. i get no stutter, and i run games at the native display size and high quality. i have no problems other than sometimes the games move tooooooo fast to keep up. its really responsive now that i got it tweaked. its hard to get used too..

 

and by the way last time i checked the gpu chips were only available via computer manufacture and cant be swapped and im guessing since there are blocks on the drivers you guys install. the gpu is relying on the cpu anyway so more than likely its the bunk t7500's they installed on the g1s. cuz man let me tell you that cpu runs too hot for its own good and thats not good as i can see from the 50 bazillion forums that have threads with people complaining that there is a heat problem. no heat problem here.

 

You are not helping us much, it's not the CPU that will make my Crysis go faster on high settings, as far as I remember (from my experience as DirectX developer too) is that Direct3D uses mostly the GPU to work on all visuals in game, that counts postprocessing, vertex/pixel shaders...etc. The CPU, even doubled, can't do even 1/10 of the job the GPU does on Direct3D, because its not built for that...prove - CPU test on 3Dmark06 - the same visual content that GPU runs on 60fps, the CPU runs on 0.5fps (that's 1 frame every 2 seconds).

Also, what are those drivers you are talking about ? Give us the "normal" users some clue, please! How much do you score on 3dmark06 (1280x1024) ? What are those drivers we all still haven't heard about, that you play Crysis on max with no overclocking and you get 70C GPU load temperature ?

So, in conclusion, even if I do change my CPU to T9300 or whatever, I would not get much performance increase in games like Crysis, Call of Duty 4, Bioshock, etc, simply because my CPU is not even hitting 50% of usage when I play any of those. Yes, the cooler overall temperature will fall, but the main problem Asus G-series meet is that the GPU is far from the CPU, the fan is controlled by the CPU temperature (not the GPU or both processors). The only thing you can achieve with this upgrade is to reduce the overall cooling system load, which will in best cases free you from shuttering. That CPU upgrade will not decrease the GPU temperature much, and once again let me tell you, you can't run Crysis on MAX without overclocking, even if you put the GPU on nitrogen and cool it down to -200C.

Simple formula - higher GPU frequency, faster the GPU draws a scene, lower frequency - slower GPU drawing. It doesn't matter what the temperature is, as far as it's in between the -40/+120C range to keep the electrons running on their paths. Welcome to planet Earth where physics laws do matter!

 

Why can't Asus acknowledge the problem ???

It is undeniable that the cooling system is not optimal and from what I've read, it seems taking termal pads off helps a lot to avoid overheating. The problem is that it voids the warranty. Thus, we should pressure Asus so that it can be done freely.

Maybe that is not so good an idea but what else could we do ?

Honestly I'm getting sick of not being able to play for more than 10 min without these lags. I paid for a supposedly gamer laptop which turns out to be everything but this. That's a shame..

 

They're too busy swimming in the windfall from all the Eee's. Gotta love their website touting: "#1 in Quality and Services - Wall Stree Journal Asia". Ok... Umm... no.

Oh, and guys I'd suggest you take IdontFreakinKNow's name for what it is...

The heating pads are there to transfer the heat from various chips (including dedicated vram, North/South bridge) to the heatspreaders. Why would you NOT want them? Maybe you could modify them with better spacers but if the material you choose is conductive(like brass) and if they slip they can short something out = you're screwed. If you try thermal adhesive - good luck trying to take things apart again. Also, the "chippy" that he's referring to on the underside of the keyboard is the North Bridge, not the other side of the GPU (not even close).

 

Glad to hear that from someone who took the time to document his fiddling with the G1s. Cheers, mate!

Also, I'm not sure whether this issue has gotten any broader attention by ASUS. Plus letting us do something that could harm the laptop without voiding the guarantee is probably the last thing ASUS might want to do. Mind you, even exchanging the hard drive voids the guarantee- as is stated a hundred-and-f***ing-twenty times throughout the user manual.

 

Thanks for this interesting explanation But now I'm at a loss what to do

 

@emppapy: Easiest thing from what I've heard (I don't practice this, for various reasons), but you can take off all your covers on the bottom side of the laptop and/or place on top of a laptop cooler. Personally, I've replaced the thermal paste on the CPU & GPU(not the easiest). That has helped considerably. Recently... I've also constructed an external(suction based) fan. It is a modified unit from StarTech.com
http://www.startech.com/item/NBFAN-External-Notebook-CPU-Cooling-Fan.aspx

NOTE: This thing is COMPLETELY USELESS for G1S owners unless modified. The included fan is just not powerful enough to make ANY difference in temperature. I've used the housing/mount(It's a great design) and replaced the internal fan with a Nidec Gamma28. I've also rigged it up to work with a 12v universal power adapter(instead of USB's 5v. Works great now... I'll post some pics. Check out some other threads for more information on cooling tips for the G1S

 

you guys have fun overheating your laptops then i guess im running way cooler than you guys and i have no problems so im not complaining at all. im just sittin here laughing cuz you guys dont wanna void your warranties which you wont even need if you fix your computers yourselves cuz your so damb smart. did you know theres a setting in riva tuner that you can add up to 1gig of shared video memory off your 4gigs that you can use in vista 86?? maybe that would solve your problem or maybe you could overclock it some more and fry your chip. and btw the gpu does have 2 sides to it. and for the record while upgrading cpus my fps went way up. like double. cuz you know i use that 6mb l2 cache. i got registry mods done. found the fan control in the registry too. found all the cpu settings. all custom setup. and working with 3d stuff doesnt mean anything really other than you work with 3d stuff. and your guys way of cooling your laptops really are lame cuz you dont wanna void that precious warranty. and you guys complain that asus does nothing for customer service anyway. if my laptop breaks ill just buy another one. but it wont cuz i know how to take care of it and im not going to run it at like 150c for hours on end. if you guys are so smart then redesign it to run better. computers are only as smart as the person using them. and they only do what the user says to do.

 

Man, no offence but how can we take you for serious if you can't even place a capital letter when starting your sentence. Your statements are pointless, first of all because you say Crysis runs better than on our laptops without any overclocking with 0.2GHz faster CPU. If you want to help, give us some details, make a 3dmark06 benchmark, show pics or whatever, don't just state something completely useless.

You are disregarding us and talking to us like we are a bunch of noobs that have spent 2K for a laptop just for the fun of it.

 

I suggest just ignore this guy. He has obviously no idea what he's talking about.

You know what? I found the safety code for US's nukes on my registry as well....

 

How much does removing the covers and putting better thermal paste help? My GPU goes up to 115°C when running intensive games. Which might explain my crap 3dmark06 score (2500)...

 

Removing the covers will only give you a reasonable decrease in temperature when you use it in combination with a notebook-cooler. In this case the vents of your notebook cooler are able to blow cool air directly on the copper-cooler --> great cooling results (my idle temps CPU: 30°C GPU 50°C - max. Temps (OCed) CPU ~58°C GPU~ 85°C)

Since I haven't changed the thermal paste, I suggest you search for the thread by The3dLink - he wrote down his experiences.

 

Ignore the "i dont freakin know"...

First i want you all to realize that Asus cannot and wont do anything to solve your heat problems, simply because it is INSANE to recall all those laptops just to change the cooling pad. This is a standard issued cooling pad that they probably used in many notebooks.

Second, they wont make a magical driver that will fix the heat problems either. If you want a driver without modded inf, go to nvidia, download the desktop drivers for 8600GT and install it. This can be done by doing following:

1.
Download drivers from nvidia, "GeForce 8 series"

2.
Right click the driver and select "extract to ..."

3.
right click "my computer" - Properties - Device manager - Display adapters - Select the one that shows, if you already have drivers installed it will most likely say 8600mGT, if not it will say "standard VGA driver" or something like that
Update Driver Software (uninstall the old one first) - Browse My Computer For Driver Software - Let Me Pick From A List Of Drivers On My Computer - Have Disk - Browse - find the folder you previously extracted the drivers to and select the "nv_disp" file - Then it shows a big list of cards, there is even 2 options for 8600GT, none are mGT (mobile), but i selected the last one of the two. I don't know what the difference between them two is, but it runs good the way i have it.
If / When windows prompts for "do you really want to do this - may result in utter ruin" - just press yes..

chaching - you have drivers 175.16 or which one you selected from nvidia..

So far i scored better with this driver then any other i got from LaptopVideo2Go, i got 5070 points with a overclock. I believe with the LV2G driver i scored around 4900 with the same clocks.


The G1S has never really been designed for heavy duty gaming, even if that was the image they sold. Right from the release of this series it was debated if it would have heat problems, it did and how to solve them. Now this is the X't thread i've read that brings up this issue. Give up!

Seriously i had the G1S since the 8600m card was released, i ordered the laptop from a reseller before Asus.com had posted its specs!

I score 5070 points with the T7500, 4Gb memory (only 3 used) and a 5400 rpm hdd... - Yes that is overclocked, 544/1325/826 GPU, max temp 85 on a normal day with intense gaming no matter what game it is. That is my normal OC, the one i use without even thinking twice, i can easily push it further if needed.. Also i OC my CPU from 2,2 to 2.365~~2,4 which is the T7700 default frequency. I normally don't OC my CPU because its the GPU that gives the most performance boost when i play. Also 100 mhz is almost nothing, if i bring the T7500 above 2,4 and OC the GPU it gets unstable.

This laptop has bad cooling and always will! - accept the reality!

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I do however have tips for ya, first of - read this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=146088

As I've always done and will do until the day i stop using my G1S, it is updated and you will find all the information you need on the FRONT page.
Including how to OC, what clocks to use, what temperatures to expect, how to increase the cooling performance and even a naked woman if you wish hard enough.

There is a couple of quick steps of how to cool your notebook. Here listed from Easy to Hard:

1. Elevate your notebook so it has more air underneath, this will help cooling as the heat wont be isolated.

2. Open up the 3 lids underneath your notebook. Don't worry about spilling liquid on the table because your notebook is already elevated and the liquid cannot touch the parts.

3. For god's sake CLEAN OUT THE COOLING FAN! - there is a silver tape there you can lift up, there is always dust in there that gets stuck. This alone can create a 5-10c difference!

4. Now we are voiding warranty's, Replace the cooling paste on your CPU. The CPU is easy to access and its an operation even a surrender monkey can do (frenchies). It's 4 tiny screws and a small handle, use the inside of your brain and Pandora's box shall open for you. This can save another 5c.

5. Replace the GPU cooling paste. Now this is somewhat more difficult, but not entirely, the main difference is just that you got a serious number of screws that needs to be worked on. There is even one underneath your keyboard, the last one i couldn't find when i did this! As you are fully screw-driver licensed i won't tell you how to use it, remove all the screws you can find until you can split the notebook apart gently. Just remember there is one under the keyboard and i believe there was one under the hard drive to. When you finally do get it open its easy to replace the paste on the GPU. The only difference is that you will need a thicker layer on the GPU then the CPU. Because there is a vertical gap between the GPU and the heat sink. I used the same Artic cooling paste on both CPU and GPU, yes it got thick on the GPU, yes it runs cooler now. My IDLE temp didn't drop much, but my MAX temp dropped at least 5-7c.

6. This is posted as last, but is the easiest one, buy a notebook cooler for when you use it to game with. I know the notebook coolers aint portable, but you only play games when you are at home or at a friends place and you can bring it with you then. My personal recommendation is the Zalman NC 2000 Notebook Cooler.


I quote Emppapy:

Yes, but i did pay for it..

 

+rep for you mate, that's a very detailed explanation.

 

4100 without overclocking isnt that crappy or something

 

dude i just did some minor tweaking with no overclocking and i got a 6000 marks!!!! how do you do screen captures?? ahhahahahha

 

how do i upload my screenshot?????

 

here it is 6000 marks!! i hope the picture uploaded right. if you cant see it lemme know ill email it to you.

 

Yeah sure, I have 6600 points too (but on 1024x768) ...so that means I beat your score ?

 

i guess but i use the native display or whatever like 1680 or something

 

Thanks, this helps a lot indeed.
However, I already own a notebook cooler but it's not helping much. It's the Zalman NC1000 and not the bigger NC2000. Maybe I should change...

Moreover, there's one thing I don't understand : your graphic performance looks WAY better than mine before you used the cooling tricks. For instance you run around 330 fps average with ATI Tool whereas I cannot get above 250 fps average (and then when I reach 96°c it goes down to 180 fps or something).

 

Yes i do have 100 fps more then you there, but i believe thats because i OC'd to 580/820 at the time i did the shuttering test. With my current OC i get it up to 360-80

With the 475/700 which is the one all 8600 GT cards run at default, i get 280-90 so then you ain't to far off

4100 is a good score without any OC on the G1S, keep in mind i have the earliest version of the G1S and still i score better then many who has "upgraded" with better CPU's.

Right i look at your screen shot and its all confusing. Now what you need to post is an image that shows what resolution 3dmark06 runs at, the OC your have on your GPU and CPU. And finally its detailed score.

Like this:

Setup:

Results:


First i show you what i set it up to run at, then an image of what results i got, you can see my CPU OC, my GPU OC and what resolution the test ran at. detailed:
SM2.0 score - 2062
HDR/SM3.0 score - 1864
CPU score - 2075

total - 4948
-----------------------------------

Now from what i can understand from your PC we got more or less the same specs except you got a GTS and a T9300 OC'd to 2,7 ghz. I believe the CPU alone should score about 600 points more then mine on the test, so then you are down to about 5400, thats still 400 points im not sure where you got from, maybe its because you have more shared memory, but i doubt it. So please show us proof of what resolution you ran the test in!

 

Thanks for all the input Irathi, even if it was not all that new but any help is appreciated

Do I read this right that even with the applied OC in the above screenshot your GPU only reached some 95 degrees? Did you use any extern cooling for this setup? If not then replacing the faulty heat paste or filling the gap on all those faulty G1s lappies will suffice I guess. Also I think the reason why the refitting brought "only" 5-7°C for you is that your GPU heat sink might have sat quite good in the first place whereas someone who is used to 100+°C would get a bigger benefit from refitting since something seems to be proper screwed with the sink if you really reach those temps.

Anyway, first I was all like "Let them Asus dudes replace my thermal pastes without voiding the guaranty" but the more I read about it the more I'm afraid that they'd just put the same crap on there as before and the only thing I get is four weeks without my notebook. I guess I'll do it myself as soon as I find the time.

 

Yes i have external cooling and ive done everything i can do reduce the heat with my G1S. the only thing i could imagine now would help is upgrading the cpu to a T9300 as they produce less heat then the T7x series.

I Oc to 544 / 1325 / 820 and will on a normal day never pass 85c, only on very warm days do i reach 90c.

 

Here's the pics of that external fan mod I was talking about in an earlier post. It's from StarTech.com, and it was really useless for the G1S before I modded it (fan was WAY too underpowered). I've seen as much as -7~10C for CPU and GPU at times with this thing. (find my earlier post in this thread for more info)

 

Wow! That is awesome, how about a tutorial?

 

@ Negz: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=255888

 

well its taking forever for me to get 3dmark06 downloaded but i dl'ed vantage and did horrible with their performance test cuz i couldnt change anything so i got like 1250 or something at their performance level and like 5800 for cpu so i just feel dumb. i didnt know that virtual mark and 3dmark were two different tests. i thought they were the same cuz it said based on 3dmark technology so i assumed that it was their way of creating some online test for people who dont wanna pay for their program. and still i ran that virtual mark test with 1680x1050 i think thats what is native on here. but yeah i feel dumb and am sorry for being a dork.. anyone wanna help me figure out how i need to run these same tests that you guys run all the time and brag about??

 

btw i would love some help overclocking cuz i really dont know what i was doing and im really mad that virtual mark thing isnt real cuz i was all giddy like a lil school girl i scored higher but its just a falacy. sobs

 

Alright
And by the way, I'm still not sure whether I sell my Zalman NC1000 and buy the NC2000 version. Because the NC2000 is wider and has more holes, I think that it may be better to cool G1S down.

What do you think, is it worth it ?
Thks

 

Apologies accepted .

1. Complete the 3DM download, yes it's like 500+MB.
2. Install, then run.
3. Click the "Run 3DMark" button - it will automatically do the full benchmarks at the native screen res, as that's the only thing you can do with the free version (unless you change the screen res before starting 3DM, I don't quite remember).
4. When complete, click the button to view 3DMarks score online.
5. Screenshot the page from Explorer or simply report the score +/- subscores.

PS - if you don't know what you're doing with overclocking, read a lot before you try it. Done the wrong way, with limited knowledge, has a high risk of turning your notebook into a very expensive paperweight because every 8600 gpu chip is slightly different .

 

Ive never used the NC1000 so i really wouldn't know, however the NC2000 was to me extremely cheap, i paid just about the same that i do for a night out with bar drinks

I really like the NC2000, but as ive never used the 1000 i cannot say if its worth it..

Always accepted and its a mistake anyone who is new to OC and benchmarking can do.
Now i do know i say this a lot but read my thread as it covers the easiest way of overclocking and what tools to use. Look for section 10 !

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=146088