G1s V. G1p a few Real World Comparisons...

Having read all the posts up until now I'm a bit disappointed I haven't seen more "real world" benchmarks. That being said I decided to do a few of my own.

G1p:
Completely Stock
Windows XP x64 xp2 most drivers manually installed
Manual 2GB Page File
Forceware 158.19 No overclocking
Battery set to "Always on", disabled powermizer

G1s:
4GB of memory, Super Talent Micron d9
Windows Vista Ultimate x64 w/ latest updates, "Vista Basic" Theme
Windows managed Page File
Forceware 158.28 No overclocking
Battery set to "Balanced", no option to disable powermizer

3dmark06:
At stock 1280x1024 settings:
G1p: 2410
G1s: 3841
G1s 3gb: 3810

So what does 1400 3dmarks mean in real gaming performance??

Half Life 2 Stress Test
1440x900 resolution Trilinear/2x MSAA/Full HDR/All other settings on High
G1p: 89.91 fps
G1s: 129.25 fps
G1s 3gb: 131.60 fps

Not bad...

Counter-Strike Source
Same settings as HL2 Benchmark
CS_Office ~30 players
G1p: Range 55-65 fps, Average about 60
G1s: Range 50-100 fps, Average about 70

Looks like in CS:S we gained about 10 fps on average, which is not exactly reflective of the Source stress test, but not too shabby.

Guild Wars Prophecies
1680x1050
100% Quality slider, Vsync off, 2xAA
"Post Searing"

G1p: Lion's Arch 55-65 fps
Ascalon City 45-60 fps
Exploring in North Kryta 50-70 fps
G1s: Lion's Arch 45-70 fps
Ascalon City 70-90 fps
Exploring in North Kryta 50-60 fps

Guild Wars was tough to gauge, maybe my internet connection sucks but it seems like going in the cities was very laggy as every few seconds I could see/feel stuttering performance. It's nice to know though that these lappy's can handle the game at such a high setting however, once you get exploring the game runs much smoother versus being in crowded cities. With the G1s I honestly don't see tons of improvement over the G1p.

Command and Conquer 3 Kane Edition Patched 1.05
1440x900
Slider set to "High", no AA
8 Player Skirmish
Map: Bordertown Beatdown

G1p: 13-20 fps
G1s: 14-25 fps

This one was rough. CnC3 is an amazing game IMO but it takes some serious hardware to run at playable settings. While not exactly a slideshow, 13 or 14 fps was pretty grueling to get through when there was action or a lot of tiberium on screen. Even worse when I tried to play a LAN game with 3 human v 3 comps the G1p would slow the game down to a crawl, ultimately I had to decrease all settings to bare minimum to get a playable game. I haven't had the opportunity to run LAN gaming with the G1s but I would expect more of the same. The thing about the netcode of CnC3 is that LAN games only play as fast as the slowest computer so my buddies were chugging even on 3+ GHz c2d + 8800GTS setups.

The settings I chose I would best describe as just barely playable, I recommend even lower settings if you plan to play this game. Ultimately the G1s had no real edge over the G1p in this game.

Observations:

I saw the G1p GPU core peak at an astounding 94 degrees celsius during gaming with the G1s topping out at 96!!! These laptops run really hot! Overclockers should be taking this into account...

Despite their similarities there is one glaring problem the G1s has that my G1p does not. There is some sort of grain in the LCD of the G1s that is simply not there on the G1p, also the G1p seems to be brighter at max setting. My x1600 Macbook Pro had a similar issue in Windows but not in OSX, the G1s I would say is not as bad as the Mac however. Say what you will about "settings" but this is a hardware issue, even in BIOS I can see the difference clear as night/day.

I could not install XP x64 on the G1s, it seems there was a SATA driver missing causing the installer to report no HDD was found, I didn't want to bother with hunting down the drivers so I went with Vista x64 in lieu. That being said I prefer XP x64 over Vista, it just feels better.

Weird but the G1s has a sort of choppiness with its BIOS splash screen that the G1p does not.

Please take the "2x the performance with 3gb+" statement with a large lump of salt. My findings clearly do not show this to be the case.

IMO G1p owners DO NOT seem to be at a significant disadvantage when it comes to real world gaming, especially in Guild Wars and Command and Conquer 3.

Networking performance appears to be identical with a Wireless G setup.

I don't play a ton of different PC games but more may come later.

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Company of Heroes patched to 1.7
1280x768
Performance Test

Shader, Models, Effects Density - High
Texture detail, trees, terrain- Medium (there's 1 more setting but I forgot the name!)
Reflections, Building Detail, Physics- Low
AA, Shadows, Post Processing, Object Scarring- Off

G1p:
Avg 66.8
Max 230
Min 26.5

G1s:
Avg 46.1
Max 61.6
Min 6.9

G1s 3gb:
Avg 70.3
Max 214.1
Min 27.2
Looks like COH is effected by drivers/OS to a large degree, I can't get the G1s to score better or the G1p to score lower, it has also crashed about 4 times on me under Vista.

Oblivion Version 1.2
1280x768
Medium - Distant Buildings and Landscape
AA off

G1p:
Indoors 25-80 fps
Avg 50
Outdoors 25-50
Avg 35

G1s:
Indoors 25-90
Avg 55
Outdoors 30-50
Avg 40

G1s 3gb:
Outdoors Avg 45

Oblivion was never one of my favorites, G1s is only slightly faster. I was impressed by the ability of both cards however.

PS- As I said earlier, the 4gb of ram seems to have no direct effect on my gaming performance... perhaps 3GB is the magical number, but that's for another day.

**Looks like 3GB really was the magical number, downgrading from 4gb brought COD scores back to what we'd expect, oblivion also seems to be running about 5 fps faster out in the open!! Seems the other scores have remained relatively the same, CnC3 + CS:S I have yet to test @ 3GB**

 

hmmm i guess they use a slightly cheaper/less quality LCD on the new G1S?

 

Wow. What a great post with REAL WORLD benchmarks and not just 3DMark. Great job!

 

What findings? I would prefer it that u try it and give us the result instead of giving short comments with nothing to back up.

 

Please re-read the post; I AM RUNNING WITH 4GB OF RAM.

 

i think the ram thing is for more ram intensive games such as fear....from my understanding the supposed increase in performance from going from 2-3 gb is dependent on the game.

anyway, interesting post. i would have expected more, considering the 3dmark scores for the g1s is 50% higher than the g1p

as for the graininess, it could possibly be a driver issue like it was for the ati x1600 models in the past instead of a defect in the screen (a la a8jp/s). hopefully a bios update can fix it.

 

Man...I play C&C3 on my FX5500 now at the absolute lowest settings....it runs fine, but the graphics look like the 1st C&C Those results make me drooool

I'm still impressed it could run at all though.

 

Finally some benchmarks!! Good goin there!

Yeah, about the graininess, is this something that every G1s owner is getting or only for a select few?? Hope a BIOS upgrade can fix that up..

 

Then plug one of em out and rebench it if u have time.

 

Please, if possible add some Oblivion benchies!

or at least a report on how oblivion behaves on the Asus G1s and the resolutions/settings u used for playing it!

 

CnC is not memory intensive, it is CPU intensive. and guild wars is bottlenecked by your internet connection for both systems. Same with CS.
Run FarCry, FEAR and Doom 3 see what the benchs are there.
Otherwise very well done.

 

a fix was already posted by maunakea to make the g1s's screen less grainy or not grainy at all:

 

op supposedly already tried this fix, but did not get rid of the problem.

 

That fix does nothing but screw up gamma making darks appear "darker" if you will giving you the impression whites are brighter... does nothing for the problem.

*Now updated with oblivion and company of heroes*

Company of Heroes patched to 1.7
1280x768
Performance Test

Shader, Models, Effects Density - High
Texture detail, trees, terrain- Medium (there's 1 more setting but I forgot the name!)
Reflections, Building Detail, Physics- Low
AA, Shadows, Post Processing, Object Scarring- Off

G1p:
Avg 66.8
Max 230
Min 26.5

G1s:
Avg 46.1
Max 61.6
Min 6.9

Looks like COH is effected by drivers/OS to a large degree, I can't get the G1s to score better or the G1p to score lower, it has also crashed about 4 times on me under Vista.

Oblivion Version 1.2
1280x768
Medium - Distant Buildings and Landscape
AA off

G1p:
Indoors 25-80 fps
Avg 50
Outdoors 25-50
Avg 35

G1s:
Indoors 25-90
Avg 55
Outdoors 30-50
Avg 40

Oblivion was never one of my favorites, G1s is only slightly faster. I was impressed by the ability of both cards however.

PS- As I said earlier, the 4gb of ram seems to have no direct effect on my gaming performance... perhaps 3GB is the magical number, but that's for another day.

--And I'm spent .

 

Another update, this time something profound!

Looks like 3GB really was the magical number, downgrading from 4gb brought COD scores back to what we'd expect, oblivion also seems to be running about 5 fps faster out in the open!! Seems the other scores have remained relatively the same, CnC3, GW, + CS:S I have yet to test @ 3GB but since those games are supposedly not as RAM intensive I would not have as high of hopes.

If anyone can chime in with their thoughts on the graininess it would make me feel better. I know in the past other manf.'s were able to resolve the problem with BIOS updates, hopefully Asus can do the same. The g1p is on ebay so I have to live with it for now

 

It seems as though WinVista doesn't just ignore the amount of RAM in excess of the 3GB limit, it ignores the entire DIMM!!! Interesting find Sneis.

 

COH performance on VISTA is bad pretty still when compared to Xp.. That is what is making the difference there..

Btw, were you able to find any difference when benchmarking with the G1s with turbocache off and it being turned on?

 

I dobut its vista thats having the issue with the ram, its the chipset or the memory controller more specificly.

Lots of people run vista with better results @ 4gb ram. Just they have P35 chipsets or somthing along those lines.

Aslo it may have sothing to do with how turbo cache works.

 

Well, it is santa rosa, and highly touted as being "4GB capacity." It could have something to do with turbo cache though. But I think it makes sense that whatever the culprit is, it is ignoring the entire DIMM.

 

The graininess is absolutely evident on my screen... I would love for it to be fixable by the bios.

The gamma fix doesn't do a thing about it for me. Against a light background (internet or word processing, etc) the evidence is extremely noticeable. Kind of irritating. :/

 

Problem is... there is no way to turn on or off turbo cache or powermizer.

 

Um....that's either degress F, something was blocking the vent, your running this at an ambient temperature of 100 F or my g1p is amazing. When overclocking mine never got above 80 C, on Oblivion, maxed out. why are thoes temps so high?

 

Bravo! Mystery solved! Good luck on the selling of ur G1P, and beware of scammers...

 

Didn't you just buy the G1P? And you are selling it now?

P.S. - Are you the auction with the buy it now price for 1500?

 

Id love to buy a slightly used G1P but I dont have 1500$ cash, Id need to use a CC.

 

Does that mean you're interested in buying one =)?

 

Temps were obtained using Rivatuner's "NVprobe" Plugin and OSD, it says xxC which I'm assuming means Celsius. These temps were run from taxing the hardware, normal usage temps are going to be lower.

 

Yeah if the price is right, id love a new lappy but my budget cant handle it.

Its one of the many reasons I am mostly sided with the C90. I have one all picked out for 1500$, but if I ran across a G1P with a nice price tag I would buy it if I *could* buy it. But I dont have the $$$ Im buying the C90 with my credit card and will have to pay it off over time.