G50v tweaking/performance thread

Hi,
I start this thread to report and compare G50v performance, and maybe help myself and others to troubleshoot/tweak this baby. I think this laptop has a lot more potential than we see

It seems possible to overclock only FSB/CPU using SetFSB software. Geforce clocks seem to stay the same, and laptop seems stable (several reboots and benchmarks using a 305Mhz FSB). Throttling is working (304<FSB<320), and CPU is switching to 900 MHz (FSB 150) on battery.

I don't know if my method is ok, because I don't really know the side effects of a FSB overclocking on this laptop yet. It seems to be the method used by DirectConsole to overclock, but i'm not sure. Any opinions are really welcome.

System
G50v-AK043K
"Clean" Vista home premium 64 bits (1.1Go on RAM at startup, I'm sure I could do better)
P8600
Official Nvidia mobile driver 179.28
Bios 209 (unmodded)

Software
- Avira personal
- Everest ultimate
- LCDhype with a custom system control script
- GPU-Z
- CPU-Z
- SetFSB
- Aquamark3
- 3dMark06

System Tweaks
- Disk defragmented, performance cache enabled, indexing disabled
- Vista tweaked according to this guide and this one
- Bootfiles defragmented
- Ccleaner cleaning
- Registry deframented and compacted (vista startup is waaaaaay faster thanks to this)
- Scheduled "on boot defrag" disabled
- 2nd level data cache set to 3MB (HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\SecondLevelDataCache : c00

Performance Tweaks
- FSB : set to 305 MHz with SETFSB, clock generator ICS9LPR363DGLF
- CPU : 2870 MHz
- GPU : 625, Mem : 800, Shaders : 1563 (all stock)

Benchmarks
- 3dmark06 : 6307
- Aquamark 3 : 100377
- Complete reboot time : 103 seconds

Max temps (in 3dMark06)
- CPU : 60°C (43°C idle)
- GPU : 75°C (47°C idle)

I would like everyone interested to report their G50v performance and settings here, to compare everything usefull. Questions and discussions are also welcome. Many thanks

Scripts used
- View attachment 28699 (rename in .vbs)

* Updated items*

 

This is very nice and was what I've been looking for!

I recently picked up the X1 for my wife and so far playing world of warcraft is horrible...20fps horrible! Everything that I've read says that wow should run like a champ..and I don't think 100% of the reviews I've read are all shilled, canned reviews (but who knows!)

One question before I start this process that you've described - when you say "clean" install you mean a fresh vista install? I only have the recovery disks..which I'm under the impression will not allow a "clean" install?

 

Hi !
No, I don't speak about a freshly installed vista, it is not my case.
I received my G50 two weeks ago and didn't format anything. I tried a lot of graphic drivers, I also tried many tweaks for vista 64 (I know XP32 very well, but not vista yet. so, a lot of trials and errors)

I simply uninstalled a few default asus software, I do regular ccleaner/registry/startup cleaning, disk, boot and registry defrag and that's all. Other than that, I use my laptop in a regular way : games, developments, videos, web...

Here's asus software I kept :
Live update, Power4Gear, Virtual camera, ATK generic function service, ATK hotkey, ATK media, ATKOSD2, direct console

For cleaning i'm using :
Ccleaner, Codestuff Starter, Free Registry Defrag, JkDefrag, and a script for bootfiles defragmentation.

Mz Vista Force (64bits) seems fine for OS tweaking (I prefer manual registry tweaks from my XP experience but I dont know enough from vista yet)

Overclocking is done via SetFSB (I'm still running ~2.9Ghz since ~12 hours, everything is fine )

You MUST be able to run WoW on your laptop, everything maxed out and on high resolution. This is exactly what i'm talking about, these gaming laptop don't run like they should, I'm pretty sure about it (just looking at the temperatures confirm this, and I gained ~20% performance just tweaking).

 

btw you can uninstall ASUS live update...it wont update a thing and its a faulty software. Topic has been beaten to death so if you feel you can use the search button on it.


Nice thread btw, carry on...

 

You can basically uninstall every Asus utility. I usually keep Power4gear, expressgate and direct console only.

Also check out Les's vista tips for more tweaks.

 

Thanks for the tips - I will get home and dive in..will report back next week!

 

I was kind of aware about this, it's now confirmed and is on my next uninstall list

That's true, but losing special shortcuts is not an option for me, and I really enjoy this OSD
I keep Virtual Camera because... I don't know what is it for yet (never tested the webcam yet)
As for Les's guide about vista tweaks... done already

That"s why I think something else is limiting the performance. And i bet on the graphic card, being "clock limited" or something.
By the way, is there something wrong with my FSB overclocking method ? It's still running fine on 318MHz FSB (CPU ~2.88) after ~15 hours and 5 hours playing. Absolutly nothing wrong occured during this time.

 

A little update for more tweaking...
After disabling of sheduled "on boot defrag" and "on boot restore point creation", I obtain this :

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For those interested, here's the script I use to measure a complete reboot time : View attachment RestartTime.txt
(Please rename to RestartTime.vbs)

Edit : 1st post updated

 

The restore point made at boot i would not disable... Than again I am an IT tech so I learned the learn the hard way also.

In a nut shell every good boot your computer makes a backup of the registry and what not... In the event of a crash or issue, your computer will let you boot to last known good config, whuch uses these old restore & snapshots... If it didnt get to make them at boot than it will end up using an even older one which could result in some other losses or issues.

Vista has a lot of logging enabled by default you may not know about also, it already keeps track of how long it takes to boot and shutdown. They are in other logs, not the normal app, security, and system... Their are a bunch of sub logs under application and service logs under microsoft and than windows...

It does all kinds of logging... If you want you can disable some also which may help... But I like to keep all as is because when I have issues boy do they come in handy, and if you dont have it on you never know when you will need them or if you have had an issue getting worse because you dont have any history.

Anyway just my $0.02

 

Yea... It's pathetic how long it takes Vista to boot up. My old athlon 64 3700+ machine with 2GB DDR ram boots faster than my newly installed vista.

You can overclock your GPU if you want higher scores. 6300 is already on the high side for no overclocking.

 

Sooo agree with vista startup time... I reactivated boot restore point and startup is so longer... But I also think it's safer, like Bryanu said (being a IT tech too, I second this opinion)

6300 was done with a turbo extreme equivalent (FSB trottling between 304 and 320), you say it is a high score ?
We still have to validate SetFSB method, and see if PCI is locked, but CPU could go higher. Is there a way to find the right PLL ?

Edit :
Not so bad after all... (no overclock)

 

I wouldnt worry to much... I once was doing as you did, and over time it will slow down on its own... Even if you dont change or install anything else... It wont always keep slowing down as it will get to a point that it peaks at but it will get slower on you still.

I have learned to live with the boot... Its the nature of vista... Wait till windows 7.. It boots good now but I bet it will be the same... MS just needs to clean the stuff up... So many unused things kept in the code slow it down... Look how fast a mac can boot... (well some are not booted fast, haha)

 

thats a dam nice 3Dmark score with your 9700m GT on stock settings....what res did you run it at?.....i wonder is it because of all those tweaks to your vista...gotta give it a try when i have time

 

I did it with the basic version of 3dmark06 (the one you can't change any settings). So it's done in 1280x1024...

 

OK - so played around a bit and the problem was right in front of my nose! I was running on battery power... :O) Once I got off that and went to AC...bam. Runs perfect!

Now, I'm going to sit down (soon) and knock out some vista tweeks and some minor OC'ing.

Thanks for the thread and the forums...great place!

 

With turbo extreme and the official NVidia laptop drivers installed, 5762 3DMark06. Bummer :\

 

5700 in Vista is a regular score for G50v... I wouldn't worry too much about it

I'm more than surprised that only a few people are interested in getting the most of their G50... Nobody wants to share their findings ? We need more opinions to find the good settings and tweaks...

 

The pll for setfsb for the X1 model is ICS9LPR363DGLF. However, it seems the core/shader clocks on the gpu increase as the FSB does, so you will need to underclock those (NTune is the only thing I've gotten to work) if you want to pull some really high CPU speeds.

At stock everything I'm at about 7,400 in 3dmark06; OCed I'm at 9027!

 

Would you be able to post a brief list of what you did? I'm very technically adept but quite busy right around this time of year...and would appreciate it greatly.

Edit: Jacob, just noticed you are on the 9800M GT rather than the 9700M GT of the G50V-A1. I thought this was a strictly A1/A2 thread?

 

Remember that the X1 has a lower default screen resolution, so one could expect higher numbers with the same card.

 

First off, the thread just says "G50v", so guess I thought the X models were included--I suppose that might be listed as G50vt...
I suspect that the same programs and tweaks will work for either version of this notebook.

I used setfsb with pll ics9lpr363dglf to oc the fsb to 1365mhz (cpu OCed from 2.26 to 2.9ghz; this is #444 on the setfsb slider), while at the same time using ntune from the nvidia website to downclock the core/shader clocks to make up for this increase. The pci-e appears to be locked to the fsb because the card crashes at stock timings once I oc the fsb. I would be interested to hear if the 9700M has the same behavior. The VRAM, however, can still be overclocked above stock.
My best timings ended up being 456-915-1140 (86%-114%-86% of original clocks which were 530-800-1325)

(If you figure that the fsb overclock affects memory timings, then the 14% underclock of the core and shaders works out to a 10% overclock at 1365mhz, which was the fastest I could run 3dmark06 at with the cpu at stock speed.)

I ran 3dmark06 on an external monitor so I could get full res. On the native screen I got just over 10k 3dmarks. If you check out the thumbnail you can see that I was at 1280x1024.

Sorry if I'm butting into a thread I shouldn't be in.

 

pci-e is not locked... the g50v does not have an asus desktop mobo; it has an intel pm45. no intel boards (correct me if im wrong) have a pci lock. on xp 64, neither lan or wireless can connect given a high enough fsb. go even higher, to around 2.89GHz+, and the nvidia driver crashes (this is with both a stock and overclocked 9700M).

 

Here's everest report about G50v-ak043k motherboard... It's in French, but in the end, it's said manufacturer is asus. Could it be a generic tag put by asus on a third party board ?

and here's the NorthBridge. (but where is PCI-E #1 ? )

 

hey stouf....i finally had time to do most of the tweaks you listed on the first post but still the most i got from 3dmark is almost 5900 on stock setting......is anyone else even breaking the 6k mark on stock settings? even on win xp 6300 isn't achievable without overclocking....

on another note.....im quite surprised people aren't swarming all over thalanx thread on overclocking the 9700m gt....i was quite upset when i first purchased the a1 and found out afterward that no one was able to overclock it but thalanx saved the day lol......also very curious about the 8800/9800 GS swap but i see people gave up on that...

 

The swap was impossible because no one knew where to get a 9800m GS nor whether it would actually work when installed.

@jacobxaviermason - Feel free to completely vanish from this thread. Most of us are very bitter about the G50v and G50vt thing. (Well at least I am)

6300 is incredibly high for stock speeds. Normally I would get a shade below 6000. Now I'm at 6650

 

I push my cpu to 2.98 I'm using PLL ics9lpr604aglf on setfsb with this pll you don't have problem with lan and wireless and this pll don't OC GPU!

 

maybe we were using the wrong PLL afterall :O Running Prime95 for 5 hours @ 2.78GHz and 1.05V. temps good (52C), no errors, networking works.
+rep'd.

a quick edit: anyone know why its throttled (core: 2785, throttle: 2638)? checked through all the bios settings, and idk. CPU load = 95%, equal to the throttle.

just one more: 3dmark06 is over 7k now

 

I'm using pll ICS9LPR604AGLF and i cant get over 2,75ghz

cpu @ 2,7ghz @ load 75°C
gpu @ stock @ load 72-75°C

how can i turn down the vcore?



and my 3dmark06 score is 7106 @ 2,7ghz @ gpu shader @ 1700mhz

EDIT : using dox 108.46 and winxp 32