Good News Guys, 8700M GT :D

Just read this over at TrustedReviews:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/graph...idia-Launches-Latest-Flagship-Notebook-GPU/p1

I'm hoping the new C90S can have this, I'd assume so considering it appears to have the same formfactor as the 8600, oh well time will tell.

Speaking of which does anyone know anything more about the Asus C90S? Things seem to be moving slow .

 

about half a month too late, I totally thought we all move on to the 8800gt

 

Well I thought we'd hoped for the 8800 on a laptop but many though maybe it would only work on a 17" DTR. Also nVidia didn't state a date for the 8800s did they? I remember the 8700s were stated to come out a few weeks ago.

Besides this might be the best/only solution for high-ends cards on the C90S so can't complain much, I remember someone stated it should blow the 8600 away so I hope it's as good as we hoped.

 

This should be very good if the offer it for the c90 like everyone hopes because i think it may have been wishful thinking in the first place to think that we would ever get a high end card like the 8800 in a 15.4" anyway

 

Finally some supportive news ^.^, good to know I'm not the only one thinking this. Anyone know or can predict the difference between the 8600 and 8700?

Is there a 8700 for desktops, I can't rememebr.

 

I hope in some 15.4" notebook whit 8700m GT but i think this vga is only for 17"...

 

I believe the 8700m GT will be on atleast most mid-range 15.4", it has to be. It would be pointless to have a 8800 and 8700 ONLY on high-end 17".

 

Dam ! its looks like a 8600 GT Overclocked,
do u think just the colling vent has changed to support it?

wish that in a G2S ! =/

 

Its not going to work on the c90. Its takes 35 watts and is probably a mxmIII. Only real option now is the 8800m which takes 22 watts and is 65nm so its probable it can be mxmII.

And oh yeah the c90 is definitely coming out next week, not sure which day but it is coming next week sometime.

 

Well that was quite upsetting, back to the drawing board I guess. If the 8700 is quite powerful as it is I may just not get a C90S.

 

I thought 8700M is MXM-III, C90 only has a MXM-II. MXM -III means that it ll be nearly impossible to see it in a 15.4"

 

Well that's just ruined my campaign for the C90S so we're stuck with a 8600?

 

There may be a 8700M GT G1 refresh!

 

Doubt it >.<

 

Like I said 8800m should be mxmII I see no point of making it 22 watts otherwise.

 

Lord give me the strength to gather the money for this

 

Theres one point that I would like to make. That is, the Go 7900 GS core had a TDP of 20 watts, but it was never implemented onto an MXM Type II card. Also, 22 watts is the power usage of core, and if you add a card around that, including memory and other various power draining devices, it will most likely rise to the point where it simply won't be sutible for MXM Type II. We'll just have to wait and see how it all pans out, as usual.

 

Where are you guys getting your info on the 8700m GT being MXM-III and 35w? Is this based on something you read or just conjecture?

 

You guys are very very early with your premenitions. You are just getting your self amped for no reason. by the time c90s upgrade vga cards will be available (if ever) it will be back to school at the earliest. They may just discontinue the model all together. keep in mind the c90s already offers 2 vga cards. asus is not bound to release anything better then the 8600gt. not the bearer of bad news but i am just being realistic. There is absolutely no reason why they would want to release another upgrade within the first year of warranty. not money or anything else. my prediction is the c90s will die with the 8600gt.,

 

Thank you for shooting my heart out, now to mend the wound I will leave my C90S ideas behind and go watch the film Shooter.

 

ASUS may not be bound to release upgrades to the 8600gt for the C90 but It doesnt make any sense at all that they wouldn't. Why the heck would you design a notebook based on complete upgradeability and offer no upgrades for a component as key as the GPU? Not only does it make absolutely no sense from a development standpoint (spending all the time to get the design right only to have it be a complete failure due to lack of support), it also makes no sense from a business standpoint. If no GPU upgrades ever come out that will fit into the C90 then I can guarantee 99% of the people that bought one will never buy an ASUS product again. That would just be a giant slap in the face to their customers.

 

How would it be a bigger slap then all the other previous mxm promises? mxm was dead up until asus all of a sudden "reinvented" it again. upgrade cards are not profitable for asus or any other manuf unles sthe consumer is spending big money and the markup is a few hundred %. nobody in their right mind should or would pay 600$ for a 8700 or 8800 a year after they bought thir laptop with a 8600 becuase a year after 9xxx gpus will be out. it does not pay to upgrade a laptops video card plain and simple. It never did really. anyone who would want to spend so much money on a vga card even if it was 300$ is not thinking clearly. invest the money into a new laptop.

 

You are missing the point. ASUS is TRYING to make upgrading laptops a viable option. Why would they abandon it before they even give it a shot?

 

I am not the one missing the point. I get the point 10 hours 6 days a week.
If asus wanted anything to do with mxm they would integrate it into their ensembles. they want nothing to do with it. Its a marketing ply if you ask me. Look at all you guys drooling over it. Even if it will be reality. Its not worth 500$ a year plus later to upgrade your vga card

 

Spouting promises of complete upgradeability and then offering no upgrades doesn't sound like a marketing ploy to me...it sounds like a sure-fire way to lose customers. The fact that it probably won't make fiscal sense to upgrade your GPU over just buying a new lappy, while probably true, is a seperate issue all together. In any case it doesn't really matter, you obviously have more experience with the industry. I am just basing my observations on logic and good business practices, which obviously doesn't always work out.

 

Thats the thing! they never made any promises! all you are hearing is heresay from reviewers. once they show in print that an 8700 or 8800 is on the way then that would be a promise. you wont see that in print ever. like i said i am not a negative person by trade. i am very realistic. it does not pay for them to make an upgrade card for existing units

 

One thing I do agree with from the posts above is that Asus would lose much of its advantage in the mid-size notebook arena if it did not eventually find some way to incorporate the 8700M GT into its 15.4" notebooks, such as with another G1 refresh.

The primary draw of Asus for me in the 14.1" and 15.4" pre-SR market was that no alternatives of any kind existed for Asus laptops! None! What other 14.1" laptop out there offered the Go7700 like the A8 series? What other 15.4" laptop out there offered the Go7700 or x1700 like on the G1, V1, VX2, F3? From the pure gamer (G1) to the businessman (V1), Asus offered machines that offered a unique niche that no other ODM could match.

Now however, although there are only 2 clear DX10/SR PC laptops with decent GPUs in the U.S., people already think they're finding a cheaper alternative to the G1S in the Compal IFL90 and/or possibly many other systems that are bound to come out this fall, whereas the previous G1P simply was uncontested for its target market.

What advantage would Asus offer then, when every other all-purpose/gaming/multimedia 14.1" and 15.4" out there will offer the 8600M GT - for arguably a cheaper price than what Asus offers?

Asus has always had a good balance of many factors--price-to-value ratio, performance, style, durability and build quality--but it never truly excelled in any particular area over its competition except in its GPU offerings. It was the overall better-than-average package, combined with the unmatched GPU capability that made them so marketable.

That's why I believe Asus will ultimately make every effort to fit the 8700M GT into its 15.4" laptops at the very least. It would be a huge step backwards for them if they don't succeed.

 

How about warranty? how about big name power? thats besides the point. asus will integrate 8700 and any later most probably before any other manuf. nobody saying asus will not make 8700 powered laptop. I was saying there is a good chance the c90s may not get an upgrade cards for many months if ever

 

I feel this way:
Asus as a business makes money on desktop parts and upgradability of desktops has been their bread and butter since the beginning. They got into notebooks to shake things up, they have continually been a leader in pioneering new ideas in the computing field, that is why I like them so much. But that is beside the point. Asus' business model has, for a long time, been based on the idea of turning a profit at the speed of the processing power companies (Intel, ATi, nVidia, now Aegia [though I think that is silly]), it would behoove Asus to make laptops more upgradable because they know how to make the best components (proven generation after generation of higher benchmarks than the same (or similar) card or mobo made by a different company). So if Asus is able to turn people on to the idea of realistically upgradable notebooks then they could, in turn, become the first and only seller of upgradable notebooks and notebook upgrade parts. As a business man you should realise that this sort of headstart could give Asus a hammer lock on a new market, and as a techie you should realise that notebooks will still sell every year when new platforms come out. I mean even as you upgrade a laptop with more memory and a better HDD or GPU or whatever, a Santa Rosa will always be a Santa Rosa and a Bearlake will always be a Bearlake. Making every part EXCEPT for the mobo upgradable would still be a viable business plan. Why not?

 

Thing about it this way. as an consumer i would love the option for limitless posibilities for vga cards and any other components. as a businessman or as a manufacturer i want to give end users as little power to customize the products as possible. The only reason i should want such a thing is if my competitor offers it. asus has no willing competitors. There are 2 huge names that would not want it also. intel and microsoft. neither one wants upgrades for video cards. so intel microsoft, asus, compal, quanta, clevo are all in the same boat. nvidia, ati and the end user in another boat. who wins?

 

It is too late for GPUs, since Asus makes the mobos and can put in MXM, and nVidia designs the cards (which Asus then also makes) and they like MXM for their own business, all it takes is Asus to truly want this to happen, and Intel and Microsoft are SOL. Say MS makes Vista such that it will not recognise an MXM card, well, the end-user wants it to, and using Readyboost against it could configure their own BIOS and system settings to a USB drive to override Vista's complaints. In the end, it doesn't matter what companies are in what boat, because they all want to be in the boat with the end-user, and if Asus jumps in first they will sail away with all of the business.

 

Alex
MS and Intel do not want this. it does matter what boat they are in becuase what they say goes. MS and intel dont want to be in the same boat. they want to be in their own boat. For every mxm card sold, intel and microsoft sell 1 less operating system and 1 less chipset, cpu and wifi card. Why do you like to argue with me? dont have faith in what i say?

 

I am saying: what can they do to stop it? True, they are large powerful companies, but Asus has made the issue known to the consumers. Consumers control business. Say Intel says no way and will not sell chips or chipsets to Asus, who is a giant in the mobo and notebook industry, then AMD says yes, also AMD starts making their notebook parts upgradable. Then Asus is still making upgradible notebooks, AMD has all of that business and now many people are upset with Intel and won't buy from them because of their reaction to what Asus did. Microsoft just makes software, software that is easy as hell to hack to pieces, lord knows they can't do anything. If they cut off business with Asus, then they would lose ALL of the sales for licenses for that year and every year forward, and say that upgradibles cut the numbers by a third (which would be about the limit, based on current supply and demand), which is better for MS, a third less from Asus every year (about 1.25 million) or nothing from Asus forever (about 4 million). Knocking Asus off of the distro would give a huge part of the Asian market a reason to boycott them and switch to Apple or something else. While it may be in the entire industry's interest to keep the status quo, I believe Asus really cares about the consumer and wants this to be the way things are. Also, they could capitalise on the notebook upgrade industry as they do with the desktop upgrade industry.

EDIT: It would be good to note that this argument is really between pragmatism and optimism, and the only resolution is really to agree to disagree, but this is the way I feel.

 

^ I know but this is the first 65nm gpu (at least from nvidia) and the reports said tdp was 22 and i heard 25 for gtx. But the die shrink should ensure that the size remains relatively small. Milestone spoke with representatives and I think 8800 will work with c90. Just a matter of when and pricing? More the pricing as the 8800m should be released this summer.

 

I hope so! *More wishful thinking from me*

 

I going to say I agree with both gear on alex on some things, but your both much like everyone else speculating on what could happen. I believe in facts and some directions. Asus produced a MxMII upgradable notebook which doesnt have a stone cold release. But if they do release it and people jump on the product, then you better believe they will release a variety of upgradable parts and GPUs. If they don't then they lose R&D costs and won't be able to capitilize anything on their books, and have to expense everything. The moment the C90s has a stone release date is the moment upgradable notebooks "may" become big. As for MS and Intel not wanting in on this would be crazy, because there would be big business on software. As for cost of parts for upgrades, sure it would get costly, but atleast you could just upgrade certain parts for less then purchasing a new laptop every other year and have them last 2-3years with some upgrades.

 

The release "date" is next week.

EDIT: Though I guess that isn't "in stone" but there have been a TON of preorders, so that should be some indication.

 

oh that was already annouced?

 

I'm still hoping for a 8700 atleast upgrade, I might hold out till it comes out as I'm still near broke and I know us UK people will be forced to pay so much more >.<.

 

I dun care whether it is MXM 2 or 3 or even 4,5,6... just release this 8800M so that manufactures can manufacture it and we can finally use it!

 

yeah I would be happy with any upgrade to the 8600GT, I choose to wait for the C90s over the G1s because of that possibility.

 

I find it funny I started my first topic today and it reached 5 pages in less than 24-hours, well I'm proud.

Am I the only one worried about pricing for the C90? I wonder how much the barebones will cost in the UK and it uses only notebook HHD right? So I can't buy a PC variation can I?

 

okay a statement from ASUS, very much in line with what jmoneyyy said:

-Upgrade parts will be available through resellers
-Asus does not currently manufacture the parts of the notebook that ARE upgradible
-The future support of the upgradible architecture hinges greatly on the popularity of the C90, once it is released we will know whether or not MXM cards and the like will be commonly available (if the notebook sells a lot) or scarce (if it is not a hit).
-If the notebook is a hit then the 8700M GT and 8800M will likely be supported and sold, pending their specific stats allow them to fit a MXM II module.

To Business man:
notebook HDDs are 2.5 inch drives, Desktop HDDs are 3.5 inch, each is incompatible with the other. (though desktops can be modded to accept 2.5s, and you can use a 3.5 external through USB, firewire or eSATA.)

 

Last time I checked nvidia was its own company. Consider this if they make the cards interchangeable? Many people wait a couple of years such as myself to upgrade since it is so expensive to get a high end laptop every year. If nvidia makes mxm then they sell more cards because instead of waiting 4 years to upgrade I will buy a card every year and a half or 2 years and thus they sell more cards. I know many people who don't upgrade and shell out the money for a new lappy but desperately want one of the newest cards. This way nvidia makes more profit, alot more if you ask me.

 

nVidia doesn't make the cards. They design the cards.

 

I don't know where you got that statement but if it's true I love you ...

Well people this means that you must ALL buy a C90 -.- no buts, sell your G1Ss and buy C90s.

Know any UK shops that sell 2.5" HHDs? On the Asus site is said SATA so I thought it meant the normal one but I though that would be way too thick.

 

anyone going to wait to see if the 8700m gt going to fit/work with the C90s or just purchase the C90s with the 8600m GT 512 when it comes out?

 

I'll wait as I have NO money to put towards the C90 anyway so I need to find a job as I'm a student.

 

I have 2000 to spend, so it is between the big three for me, g1s, c90 or compal ifl90

 

Yeah my budget is the same and I was ready to pull trigger on G1s but C90s was like whoa for who really need a DTR anyways. I guess I'll buy the C90s when it comes out regardless of card and hope I can upgrade in a year or so anyways. But if a rumor of the 8700Gt comes out for it in a few weeks Im so on it.