Has any successfully pin modded a z33a?

Hi,
I was wondering if anyone tried pin-modding an Asus z33a. It has the 915 chipset in it. If so, I might configure one with a 1.7 Pentium M 735 and try it.

Jon

 

..... why?

 

WHYYYYYYYY???
Justin ur a thief u stole the words out of my mouth.

 

Easy way to get 2.26GHz for cheap.

There shouldn't be anything stopping you from trying the pin mod. Whether it's successful will depend on the chip you get. I'd also consider it overclocking, so ur reseller might not (will not?) service your laptop if they know about it.

In general I don't believe too many people pin-mod, so you might be the first to try on the Z33a!

 

I understand you... and no, NO one is going to warrant an overclocked system and for good reason...... they didn't do it and the customer is obviously putting the system in danger and if something happened you couldn't expect the reseller to shell out money out of their pocket for your dumb mistake........ although many people would certainly try to screw them......


My point in saying "why" was because the difference in cpu performance between a 1.7 and a 2.26 is negligable for 99% of consumers........ Pentium-M's are the anti-overclocking cpus and have been for two and a half years now. They clock down when you don't need the performance. The FIRST thing to happen when you overclock a pentium-m (and I've seen this half a dozen times) is whatever switch or whatever it is that controls the stepping of the speeds just burns out..... Then you can never run it at anything but full speed ever again. Battery life if going to suck..... heat is going to suck....... if you want to overclock something, get an athlon or a p4

 

This reads on top of our warranty page. Can you guess what happens whren a customer returns a notebook without a cpu? Instantly void. No questions asked. We will return the notebook back to the customer at his or her own expese and will provide absolutely no support. If you are lucky maybee asus will cover you. If you speak to any of the asus techs they will ask you where you bought it. I cant speak for anyone else but if you tell em you bought it here they will tell you to contact me and if you tell em anything remotely suspicious they will call me and find out. Trust me i will tell em you purchased it without a cpu and returned it for repair without one as well. What they do from there is up to them. I would not back you up not even a bit.
This is the worst thing you can do to your brand new notebook. Again i cant speak for other dealers but we are miticulous when it comes to repair inspection. Reason being is that about half the return repairs we get are a result of some kind of damage. Whether it be overclocking or water damage. We will go as far as checking the drive for any overclock utils. Ofcourse if you do it right then we would never know.

 

After more than five years doing this... I'm going to certainly have to back you up Eddie...... Personally when I was growing up I could never understand why companies didn't want you in their systems and put warranty stickers everywhere..... now I do. For the most part 97% of our customers are a joy to work with and aren't out trying to screw the other guy..... then you get people who do and people who will screw stuff up and never take the responsibility for their actions. Once you pay for someone else's mistake out of your own pocket, you realize that you have to set the guidelines and tell someone if they want your warranty they're not going to be touching this or that and if they do, fine... but they're on their own.

It's partially in the terminology... a warranty means that the person who built it warrants the work they did to be good. If something happens as a result of the work they did, they'll take care of it. When someone else goes and screws around it with, we can't warrant you did it correctly or in the same type of facility that we did.... which is understandable.

Then you have "guarentees"... which plenty of people aren't bright enough to know the difference between that and a warranty....... a guarentee means that it will work or else.... like you'll get a new one overnighted to you or your money back or something like that...... you won't find a guarentee anywhere on any computer....

 

I read an article where a guy pin-modded his PM. Looked dangerous and risky. First question I have to ask is - in addition to what Eddie and Justin said p), what kind of speed increase are you looking for? All Pentium M's are very fast and can handle whatever you throw at them.

 

Do you guys even know what your talking about? Do some research before you speak outta your asses.

On some Dell forums, people were able to attain speeds of 2.4Ghz-2.6Ghz that are still a dream as a consumer product. (Dell XPSes have a better cooling system which allows them to attain higher clock speeds)

I have successfully pin modded my HP dv1000 using a Pentium M 735, it was the easiest mod I have ever done to overclock a CPU. The added heat was very little, and since the Pentium M can thottle down, battery life hasn't been affected. With CHC, I was able to undervolt the CPU at lower speeds to save battery life..


With that said, my 735 is running flawlessly at 2.26Ghz and its perfect. No warranty issues, no heat issues. Nothing except a much faster CPU(which you have to pay premium foir if you believe in the not voiding warranties)....

All that warranty blabbering up there doesn't make any sense at all, no company will be able to determine if a system was "overclocked". Even Intel has admitted in the past that they essentially "clock" CPUs to test there products after the fabrication process. How else would they determine the fastest speed/stability for the chip?? Besides overclocking will not damage your hardware at all(unless your overvolting ridiculously), those that believe that your cpu would "burn" needs to get educated.

Anyhow, I will be getting a W3V soon and I will out of the box use a 735 and run the same speed as I have attained with my dv1000... This should be a cinch!

ibbo you should try it. Check out this thread for the pin mod, no worries, this works on all sonoma based notebooks.
http://www.notebookforums.com/showthread.php?t=80879

 

Ok and when it burns one day after your warranty expires and every refuses to help you becuase the warranty sticker was damaged in the proccess of your modding it you will be back here and i will not feel bad for you. Thus far we had about 3 machines returned after about 15 months. All pin modded all dead. Customers never bought ext warranty. Only a few confessed but i am pretty suire more then that actually did this. Pin modding is bad. If you read other posters success stories and believe then i wish you luck.

 

Ditto....... but then again Eddie, those who want to do stuff like that usually where shirts that say "got warranty" or are proud to be voiding their warranty..... till something happens ofcourse....

 

To me it seems pointless to mod a laptop at least in any way that could possibly damage it. to expensive to repair. a desktop fine just swatch the cpu and motherboard and your all set if something goes wrong. I wouldnt care if i screwed dell or HP sending in a laptop that i messed up myself. But You would have to be a jerk to send it in to the smaller companys like Geared2play or proportable.

 

Correct. Thats why ww require that if a barebone is shipped back to us it must be shipped back assembled. If the cpu is missing we will make the customer ship back the cpu. Once we find traces of birns on it then we will void the warranty. DVX you are obviosly a minor with that attitude or just naive. When your warranty is voided for moding your lappy you will rememeber this thread and kick your self in the a$$

 

What "teknikal skool" did you get educated at?

Overclocking can damage your computer because it usually leads to OVERVOLTING the CPU to keep the computer stable...
Do you know why? Because forcing a computer to run faster than its specs will cause it to use more power...
Once you exceed the CPU specs power recommendation... YOU WILL FRY IT!

Undervolting is harmless.
You can not damage a circuit by giving it too little power...
Maybe cause to do some weird stuff, but not fry it.

I would tell you to get your facts straigh, but you didn't provide any to begin with.

/you

 

so people who sucessfully did the pin mods are liars?

 

No they arent liars. But who is to say what effect pin modding will have over time. maybe a year.

 

As I mentioned earlier, anytime you overpower a CPU beyond specs, it will be harmful to the CPU.
There are no, well, maybe if I dance a little around the notebook... no.

 

But He isnt raising the voltage when hes pin modding. in fact he is undervolting the cpu with CHC so how would it be overpowering it.

 

hah, here comes all the bashing. I'm not going try convincing you all to overclock, if you fear it, then look the other way.


Anyhow, to explain more clearly. Overclocking won't have a trace of "burns" at all even if the CPU isn't stable or crashing. You simply don't overclock as high or not at all and it will work perfectly again. Obviously you haven't overclocked at all or else you would know this.

I have overclocked processors since the 486s, and none of them have failed even til now. It is true that overclocking can shorten the life of a CPU, CPUs are rated at stock speed to last 20 years, but shortening that to half(which only would result from extreme overvolting) would still have a CPU that would work past it's prime. Nobody would use a CPU for 20 years. heck, even 10 years.

You seem to be a supplier or a distributor of notebooks, and I know exactly why you are against overclocking.
I obviously know that there is risk involved, and most companies would want you to believe that. However, since all the experience under my belt with over 30 different processors I have overclocked over the span of a decade, you would realize that the risk isn't so high.

 

Yep, at 800 mhz it runs at 0.724 volts (that's .280 lower than stock) and at 2.26Ghz it runs at 1.286 .. Normally at 1.7Ghz it's 1.340volts.

The only overclocking is the frequency, from 100Mhz it's now running 133Mhz. So it's no different from the 780 Processor.

It's no surprising since I'm sure most of the Dothan cores are fabricated the same way, and since their yields are up, most would probably run 2.0-2.2Ghz at least. Intel simply labels them and locks them all down to fit demand of the lowerend processors(binning system), they do this for all their processors desktop, servers and mobile alike.

 

Update:

Ok, well I have a z70va for testing purposes and performed the pin mod.

It worked perfectly. The BIOS still recognizes it as a 1.7Ghz at 1700mhz clock speed, but in Windows it runs at 2.26Ghz. I haven't done any undervolting yet but it seems flawless already.

LOL I don't see any burns at all. It was the same mod performed on my dv1000; a tiny piece of wire in the ZIF socket. Since the Z70va is a barebone system, you would have to pop in a CPU yourself without voiding warranties. Your basically tricking the laptop to run the processor at 133FSB rather than 100 FSB..

All of you that are sceptical and think that you would void the warranty of the laptop are ludicrous, the laptop is made to run at 533FSB, and your not physically modifying the laptop or stressing it in anyway. The only thing your voiding is the processor itself, but CPUs are really solid. And if they arent' stable at that level, then simply remove the mod.. it will work at it's stock speed.

 

Sweet, it's not even yours and you're pin modding it. Responsible++!

How the hell can you say that? You're not a dealers, and you're not responsible for servicing peoples machines on warrenty. Stop spreading BS, especially after two dealers have given their opinion on the matter

As far as saying a cpu can't 'burn', that's BS too. Notebook cooling systems are designed to meet a specific set of requirements. The pin mod is obviously not one of them. I've seen plenty of pictures of CPUs that are literally burnt from cooling failure, overclocking, PSU failure, whatever.

You might have found a setup the is safe (for now) for your system, but overclocking is highly chip dependant. It might just fry the next guy's CPU outright. Or the person who has dust in their vent so the cooling isn't as good. Or someone who OCs and doesn't undervolt. You can't make blanket statements about how wonderful it is. That's just stupid, and irresponsible.

Yes, I've overclocked stuff before. Only in desktops, only when I was prepared to replace componants out of my own pocket if I fried them. I would never suggest to anyone that an overclocked componants warrenty would hold up, regardless of if the company could detect the change or not.

 

Let's not attack dvx1000 anymore please... he is just giving us the news of his success stories. Also, it's quite obvious that he is a "tweaker"...(just look at his modified dv1000)... most of us aren't, and have a different mentality towards things like this.

Although I wouldn't pin mod anything nor overclock my notebook...doesn't mean someone else shouldn't/couldn't. I respect dvx1000 for being a pioneer.

 

Three. w/ facts...

 

Who said it wasn't mine? The company I own just purchased one for one of my employees.

Who said that I wasn't? I'm a local computer store that offer overclocking for enthusiasts, as well as troubleshooting. Why don't you read what I posted above? I don't understand what your getting at, what does Overclocking have to do with warranty when the product isn't failing? Asus barebone/whitebooks have a full 1 year manufacturers warranty, but we're not tampering with any of Asus's products to achieve overclocking... We're not physically modding anything that would alter the way the laptop works, it will work as specified, the only thing that isn't are the processors that are being overclocked that are void..

Your right, a notebook cooling system is designed to cool a 1Ghz-2.26ghz processor. I don't see why I'm going beyond that spec.
Plenty? Burnt pictures? I'd like to see them. Personally I'm an experienced technician that has dealt with numerous computer components, only negligence would result any of your statements above (or cheap unreliable products)

I wonder why my Celeron 300a overclocked to 450mhz still runs today after 9 years?
My trusty old celeron 533A that runs at 850mhz on an Abit BE6-II for the past 6 years and still going after I passed it to my parents who play online poker every other night....What about my Pentium 4 2.6C Northwood core running at 3.5Ghz for 2 years running 24/7 was still chugging along(until I gave it to a friend a year ago)? Safe? Lucky? I think not.

I'm not blanketing how wonderful it is, I'm just stating that it's possible to push limits without busting anything. It's true that overclocking requires more work to be done for the user to maintain their computer; keeping thermal temperatures in check, running stability tests, keeping the cooling devices clean etc. How are we being stupid and irresponsible? Infact, your the only one being "just stupid and irresponsible" by making that kind of statement about our achievements when you absolutely know nothing about it.

CPUs have thermal limits, and mainboards have protection against it, that's why they don't burn. If a frequency is beyond the processors capability, the mainboard/memory won't work right to begin with. It would halt, and a simple reboot/reset of CMOS would run stock again, nothing burns... I've never seen one, and if you find a video that shows one that does it's most likely negligence (without a heatsink) or a prank like the videos that show a Duron Spitfire at 3.8Ghz (which is impossible)blowing up from a firecracker... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5393904704265757054 If you truly believe in that CPUs can burn from overclocking(excuding insane overvolting or extreme methods ie; NO2, Vapor Cooling etc), then you might as well believe in bigfoot. It's a myth...

Just to let you know outright; I know I'm voiding warranties of the processors when I push limits beyond specifications, but I don't care about those kind of boundaries. If I can push the component to run faster, I'm happy... If it fails, so be it, I won't be blaming anything else, but hey, I haven't been in that kind of situation yet in all these years. Maybe I'm lucky, but I really doubt it.

Oh yeah? Toasters?

Most companies out there know that their components are made to overclock; Asus, MSI, DFI, Abit, Leadtek, Gigabyte, Chaintech, Soyo, Shuttle to name a few all have overclocking capabilities and they advertise it to enthusiasts. However, they claim that they don't endorse nor warranty the items when people overclock but I'm sure they test it behind doors since big brother Intel and AMD would be knocking if they do. I have never had issues with mainboards failing from overclocking, neither have i had issues with cpu's.. CPUs either overclock a little, very good or not at all(rarely happens)

 

I wouldn't say facts. More like a claim or a statement made by a company..

 

Thanks AuroraS. No worries, I can take the heat. I know my stuff and I don't think even avvid computer sellers or anti-overclockers would be able to bury me.

I'm no pioneer however, I'm flattered you say that, but there are many other people infront of me that are far more pionneering than myself ; ala Anand Shimpi, Dr. Thomas Pabst & Kyle Bennett to name a few that have changed the course of technology by pushing everything to the boundaries, rating them and then by informing the consumers with their discoveries...

 

Never heard of those people... but maybe I'll google those names/aliases if I'm bored.

I really do admire your brushed aluminum mod...WOW. I just can't get enough of it...haha

 

anand of anandtech, anyway...

 

I would want to throw in some facts about FSB, rising frequency, and the voltage but i'm too lazy and sleepy right now. The buttomline is it does damage your CPU, but how much will it do; that depends on how you do it. Modding chip with a lil wire sounds like a great idea but that lil wire will have electric current flows in it, without any shield since it won't be in any socket, and could cause electricity to JUMP to another pin if you give it too much power (raise voltage). What do you get? Kaboom! Ok, then what will happen if you UNDERVOLT it? Then you reduce that risk. What DVX did was lover the voltage but increase the frequency (clock). This make the processor works harder instead of feeding it extra juice. What will happen? Life time will decrease but there's low risk of burn. Increasing frequency will have small chance of "Burning" the chip but there's a high chance that it will messed up the circuit, thus result in miss calculation

OOO I love engineering.

If you ask me, it doesn't worth it unless you are doing Autocad or photoshop. Even gaming isn't that cpu intensive because it weight more on GPU and system memory.

Peace to all *Daddy make microchips*

 

Im not saying dont overclock because my home systems are overclocked all of them are. But i have seen two cpu's fried whatever you want to call it by overclocking and they werent pushed that hard either. I wouldnt say dont do it though i mod tons of things whaver can be hacked i try. but there are certain risks as long as u take resonsibilty if u damage your own product then no big deal. but would i overclock my W2V if it were possible no to much of a hassle and cost if anything did go wrong even if its a remote chance. But as long as you undervolt i dont seem much that will go wrong.

Just curious DVX1000 where did you get that enclosure for your dv1000? and how much was it?

 

I'm not saying overclocking is wrong...
Just wrong if someone fries the CPU and tries to return it to one of us!

Another good point was brought up by someone who posted...
It doesn't take much to damage processor.
Do not assume just because it didn't BURN that you didn't damage a transistor in a way to misunderstand a 1 from a 0.
That's all it takes.

Enough with the arguing.
You wanna overlock? Who cares?
The whole point of this thread was to talk against screwing over resellers after an overclocking job went wrong.
Also, do not start defending overclocking to the point where everyone thinks they can do it with their system.
We all know the cold hard truth...

Good for you.
Just don't make it bad for us.

 

Finally, some good talk after all the trash!

Your absolutely correct! Rising frequency would definately put more stress on the CPU. I'm not denying that.

Keep in mind a few things though, Intel has already been manufacturing the Dothan core for approximately 2 years now within the same manufacturing process or better. There are Dothans that are currently selling in the market that are rated for 133 FSB and also run at clock speeds of 2.26Ghz too. I'm pretty sure in the laboratories that these processors of late can reach higher than 2.26Ghz or else it would be too costly to manufacture it fit demands. They are obviously not going to release those higher clock speeds since it would directly compete with Yonah (which is dual core, but at much lower clock speeds, and since OSes/apps don't really take advantage of SMP yet, benchmarks are not going to look good for Yonah for now)

What I'm trying to say is that the Dothan core can run at 133FSB as well as run higher clock speeds. They don't make different processors from a different manufacturing line. All Dothan processors are manufactured from the same fab; tested, then sorted according to yield capabilities (clock speed and voltage consumption), then locked down, branded and shipped. Since Intel has been producing the Dothan Core for 2 years (which is a LONG time) it's only natural to improve their fabrication process during that time(to same money and raw materials), it would come to a point where all their yields are high. What would happen if all their processors all could reach the 2-2.4Ghz range? they would still have to release processors that fit the demands for 1.4, 1.6, 1.8 Ghz processors for OEM and Retail.

This is my point, what I'm claiming is that most of our Dothan cores may run perfectly even at a higher clockspeed (2.0Ghz+) without a hitch. As well, why are people sucessfully undervolting? The processor is actually undervolted below spec, yet it works? Because the processor actually could also pass the "Ultra low voltage" version of the Dothan since their yields/fabs..

Not true. The little wire isn't there to pass any current at all. It doesn't actually recieve any frequency. So it's won't short any circuits. No engineering involved.

see here http://www2.ijib.com:1337/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=3

The idea of the wire is actually not that technical, and people have researched the architecture of the processor and what each pin actually does. The wire is actually only there to reduce resistence with 2 pin locations on the socket. Those 2 pins are actually used to determine the processors speed during the boot up process whether it's 400FSB or 533FSB version. The wire mod simulates/creates the same low resistence found on the 533FSB versions of the Dothan processor so that the BIOS would run the 400 FSB version of the Dothan processor as 533FSB instead..

Bottom line is that this wire does is trick the motherboard to think that it's a 533FSB processor. That's all, the laptop isn't being modified in anyway.

 

Actually, nope. Transistors are not programs, they don't work that way. If the cpu doesn't work in that frequency, the bios would halt the mainboard and stop it from running. Same goes with temperature. This is more so for mobile processors, with SpeedStep and because of the low voltage consumption.

Who said I was arguing?? All of you all started attacking me, when I said that all your claims are actually false. I'm not trying to screw resellers, nor will you get screwed!

Actually, overclocking from the consumers can actually make business better. For example, there has been processors in the past that were proven as great overclockers(celeron 300a, P4 1.6A, P4 2.6C) and those turned out to be great money makers because it garnered alot of attention enthusiasts. The failure rate of overclocking was so low(that doesn't mean failure of the component!), nobody complained and consumers were happy with their purchase even though they didn't need to replace their previous system...

 

.... ok, here's the bottom line.

I can't "encourage" overclocking or pin modding or anything else in the position I'm in. However, as a lot of you know, I may be one of the foremost users of watercooling out there.... and nothing will void a warranty like putting water next to a computer part....... but when it comes down to it, doing things like that put you on the edge and you have to be adult enough about it to realize when you screwed up and accept responsibilities. Most people don't realize the things available to us to find out what went wrong and when...... if someone wants to send something back and claim it just stopped working, we can find out quite easily what happened to it. Then when we call your bluff, if you don't fess up, then you're a real jerk.

... it's the people who do mods who are going to help develop the technology... it's those who try to follow that screw up and go cry to daddy about it.

 

You realize that not using the stock heatsink that comes with the processor is already voiding the warranty right? Read the manual! Yet, everyone doesn't care nor realize that. So your watercooling setups already has voided Intel's or AMD's warranty policy, yet I don't see you being worried about it failing and not being able to RMA it.

How can you find out easy what happened to it? I'd like to know if it's so easy...
If your referring to physical damage to computer components, nobody warranties that. Btw, I would like to ask how you manage to determine components that are overclocked?... I'm very curious! How do you manage to call out bluffs?
What does this have anything to do with overclocking?

Right, I also believe that there are a lot of people that don't know and just not educated enough to take extra care to overclocking. Overclocking is not a simple task, it's an more advanced technique that takes alot of research, experience and patience. It's not made for the casual computer user that doesn't know a thing about cpus, memory, and mainboards.

I'm not encouraging those that know nothing about it, but I want those that are educated enough to actually acknowledge that the technique works and that there is a chance that you could do it with research.

 

No, transistors are not programs... Where did you even get that?
If even one transistor fails in a CPU, guess what... it's not going to work the way a CPU should.
Sure that transistor may still pass a 0 or 1, but it's not going to be the one intended for normal working behavior.

Again, you go back to frequency and your comfortable words you find in BIOS.
I never mentioned anything about frequency... I was talking about power.
I'm not going to repeat myself, and I suggest you stop pulling stuff out of thin air.
You may just embarrass yourself.

 

Good gracious. What's this have to do with the basis of passing 1 or 0? What does power have to do with passing 1 or 0? What's normal working behavior? All processors manufactured and sold to us already passed that test duing the fab process!

I guess you didn't understand a word I was saying about frequency/clock speed.
Even if you repeat youself, it's not going to make sense. If you talk about power, right, overvolting can result into permanent transistor failure if your sending way too much voltage through the CPU (like more than 30% of the requirements) without adequate cooling. However, if your saying that overclocking can make transistors fail permanently then you are embarrassing yourself already.

Your transistor argument is thin air, look through the links I have posted in previous messages above. Those links weren't pulled from thin air and I'm not the only one overclocking.

 

The only thing that i can see damaging a CPU is raising the voltage and your not even doing that and even then the cpu will just fail ive never seen a half working cpu.

 

Guess you have no idea of what a processor does? Ever heard of binary code?
A CPU is pack will millions of transistors...
Transistors are mini electrical switches that turn on or off, pass a 1 or a 0, high voltage or low voltage.
The point is, if you put too much voltage to a transistor, it will fail, fry, whatever you want to call it.
Get it?

Seems in the last part above you answered your own question.

If you are not overvolting your CPU, that's fine.
Just do not expect to argue with the facts, because the facts will always win.

 

Exactly! There are half working CPUs though, those that aren't calculating properly when severely overclocked, that's why we run stability and memory tests. If there are errors, we either back down a bit or give it a little more voltage(ONLY SLIGHTLY since it would cause it to heat up drastically). If the rror still continues, you back down a bit and run the same tests for hours.

 

What your saying is actually true, but it's not a fact. Yes, transistors can damage permanently caused from overvolting, and I have stated this since the beginning. However, it's also true that a high voltage is needed for transistors to work at a higher speed. Why are higher clocked processors of the same fab need more voltage to work at a higher clock speed? See Dothan spec, why wouldn't a Dothan run 2.26Ghz at 0.7volts? To cause a transistor to permanently fail is actually not caused by the voltage, but actually by temperature. Temperature is directly related to the voltage, in theory, if you cool the transistors more, it can take more voltage and run stable.

See LN2 Overclocking http://www.tomshardware.com/2003/12/30/5_ghz_project/ and Vapour Cooling Overclocking http://www.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NTg2).

 

A CPU may run unstable overclocked but when you bring the speed back down it runs normal again thats not half working. Half working would be a perminatly damaged cpu that runs unstable at normal speeds due to overclocking. IM sure its happened but i have not seen it before.

 

Actually, now that you mentioned it. Yeah I have seen one work but not work.

Back when AMD was making CPUs without the heatspreader, people had difficulty clipping the heatsink on the socket, so people angled the heatsink and tried to clip it on. In return, the pressure actually physically crushed the corners of the CPU core(taking out a couple thousand transistors). One of my customers tried to RMA one at the time, and it constantly gave blue screens and memory errors. Obviously I didn't take it back... lol

Of course this has nothing to do with overclocking

 

dvx1000 that is a SWEET-ASS mod you did on your HP! Did you keep a worklog on that?? I have an aging (10 months old lol, overclocked since day 1) Dell 9300 that I'm willing to subject a little torture to...

cheers,

yass

P.S. Modding is foremost a HOBBY. It makes your machine unique, which to some is a satisfaction in itself. If you feel it's dangerous, don't do it.

 

Couldn't agree more...

 

To DVX1000.....

You comments earlier scream that you just want to start a fight. We're systems builders and some things get to be kept a secret just so no one else figures out a way around them.... you find these things when you're in business long enough and I don't feel like a double-dog dared enough to spill the beans.

Asus' mobile heatsinks have all been certified by intel and they don't void their warranty.......... the p4 heatsinks are another story, but we don't sell those systems.

In terms of watercooling...... I can do whatever I want for myself and I'm not going to run to anyone but myself if there is a problem... I don't need to pass it onto someone else. In terms of the desktops that we create, it doesn't matter that there is not warranty on the cpu because it's our responsibility to cover it if they purchase a warranty through us. However, over the last 4 years we're confidient enough that our systems and tubing can hold up without being replaced for at least 3 years and as long as we don't allow the customer to screw around inside the computer, we'll warranty it. When and if a cpu dies in a system like that.... we'd eat the lose, not go back to intel or amd and try to get it replaced.

..... I just don't think you're on the same page and even if you are, you don't show it.... I don't really care, but I thought your comments deserved a response.

 

Yup....

 

I don't think Proportable needs a cheerleader.

 

No, but I think you need some knowledge before you start opening your mouth.