How many of you with C90's are *not* having issues?

I haven't seen anyone post that they have no issues. Most are just tolerating the BSOD's and the crashes. I am not confident for my imminent arrival...

 

This guy http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=162510

 

I am not. YAY

 

I believe kickace and halfhalo dont have any issues... or was it silentheroo .... okey i cant remeber who exactly but so far ive counted two people with no issues at all (i believe there is also one more that bought from circuit city).

i havent heard from alexonfyre after his review but i think he didnt had issues either.

edit -> crap halfhalo beat me to it

 

He can't turn his laptop off in battery mode. That's not an issue?

I'll probably do a mini-review when I get mine. Hopefully any problems will be with software and not the hardware.

 

psshhh.. details!

 

Yeah, I'm only running 2GB of RAM just to keep it as compatible as possible. I'm not the type that would benefit from 3GB too much, I don't think. I also have AS5 to mount the CPU. Does the GPU need a layer of thermal interface material before mounting as well?

 

Oh and another question, I have. I'm going to install Vista 64. What drivers do I need to download, aside from the graphics driver, from elsewhere that are on the driver cd? Are there any updates to the motherboard driver, ethernet, fingerprint, webcam, etc.?

 

Mine works quite well, and is very stable on Standard Performance level. In Gaming Performance it will BSOD if stressed. I also have a matched pair of OCZ PC-6400 SODIMM that show up as PC-4300 at boot. Other than that, this is a very stable solid performer.

I hope for a BIOS update that will allow my memory to operate at its rated speed.

Bye.

 

no issues ....

 

I have 2GB of ram, ordered from GenTech, and have 0 problems.
I've walked around downloading a file via wireless while on battery. I've played bioshock for hours. Hooked up a TV USB connector and recorded a movie without any glitches. Booted & browsed the web for 30 minutes entirely on battery.

The only issue i have with this system is the rubber feet. They're too short and if they were taller, the system wouldn't get as hot and the fans wouldn't have to run so fast. I've tested this a few times by propping up the bottom with misc stuff while watching TV with it.

 

i mostly get the IRQL_NOT_EQUAL bsod (same as chrisvolker). only happens in battery mode. if new bios doesnt fix it im switching to 2gb ram and hopefully tha will be the end of it

Add -> GPU max temps are 91C so far which is kinda close to the 100c max temp provided by asus, maybe ill get one of those liquid metal coolers that metzen recommended.

 

WOOT My replacement c90 is running beautifully. No problems whatsoever. Ken and gentech are awesome because the new gpu hardly goes over 68 degrees. No bsod probs, no running on battery problems, no crashing with turbo gear problems. No problems whatsoever. Knock on wood.

 

The only problem I have is I can't run turbo gear.

Forerunner which bios version are you running and do you have xp or vista installed?

 

Vista home premium and haven't checked bios version yet. I'm assuming its 704. I am defragging right now after 3 hours of installing all this crap. I'll let you know when I can.

 

No problem yet, but I just assembled it and have not even installed the OS yet, just calibrating the battery as I type this...

 

Does turbo gear only work with vista? Anyone running XP that has turbo gear working?

 

I have no problems with my unit after I had to send it back. My original one was pure barebones with parts I picked myself, the 2nd one was with parts from gentech.

All I can say is that 3gb of ram seems very risky I have not gotten 3gb of ram to work properly after trying 3 different sets of it, but 2gb is flawless. The ram was what gave me all the issues except the crash in game mode, that was assosiated with heat, so I have a new cpu that runs cooler and now it seems that it is flawless.

Forerunner is your gpu temp of 68c load or idle??? I have not really tested my gpu temps on the new unit, it is fairly hot at idle tho 85c idle....

 

I have 3gb of ram in my c90 that I got from gentech and I have had no problems. Just the stupid turbo gear does not work.

 

Take out the 2gb stick of ram and try the turbo gear, I have a strong feeling you may find it works after.

 

Its 68 degrees idle max. I tried all the demos, company of heroes and the and put the computer under such crazy loads with extracting and all this other stuff that the cpu was 100 percent and 98 percent of the ram was being used. The hottest the gpu has gotten under gaming and those conditions was 78. Man this is such a relief, within a minute after cutting the load the cpu drops down to 72-71 then eventually drops down to 70. After an intense load the lowest it goes though is 70. Turbogear is working fine.

 

My questions were ignored. T-T

Is there a thread for essential C90 tweaking? Like battery calibration, that kind of stuff?

 

I feel slightly jealous :/ mine is really hot, 85idle and just shy of 100c load with 3dmark06 (and that gets the fans moving too because of the cpu test)

I guess the question now is, is it a matter of the cooling not being equal on all the c90's or is it some cards run hotter than others?

If its just cooling I feel I can fix it myself, if its the other I guess I am SOL.

I may shop around for some good thermal pads, and go from there.

 

I don't know but there is some difference. My old gpu was having some problems. Your temps seem similar to my old c90s. Only my old 1 never even reached 90 but it always crashed. Maybe it was the mobo or something else but at least yours isn't crashing.

Ichigo what question?

 

I have had some WoW/vista issues, but other than that I am very pleased with my C90. When I am less poor I must get Bioshock because the Demo was beautiful and far too short...

EDIT: Ichigo, as far as the GPU goes, you shouldn't have to add any thermal compound to it. As far as x64 drivers, that I'm not sure about...

 

Everything works with the drivers on the cd in x64 ultimate

 

nope no problems; cant get bioshock to run past the loading screen or the airplane drama either or it wont execute past.

 

get to put mine together in a few hours! hope mine runs fine...

gonna learn alot tommorow lol

 

Vicious just read this thread so my question is answered.

Ken / forerunner exactly what components are in this cool temps / problem free laptop??? Should we al start sending our units back to gentech or is it something we can fix ourselves?

 

Well as nice as Ken is and all of gentech I dont think they will take back a unit just because we are not happy with the temps unless its actually causing a problem.

So untill it crashes due to heat we just have to deal. The design of the head spreader is so bad in the first place for the gpu...

It ties the memory and gpu cores together, and they have to pass thru a pretty thick metal heat spreader, then thru a 2nd layer of thermal compound before they even reach the heatsink.

I think if you would place the heatsink directly on the card your looking at a major drop in temps, but they didnt design it that way for simplicity's sake.

Also I would never tie ram into gpu core for cooling. Ram generaly runs very hot and doesnt get effected by high temps but the core however needs to run cool and doesnt run nearly as hot. Even with a high end water cooling setup on a desktop machine I noticed temps went up a good 5c on the core when you include the ram, but the ram didnt overclock any higher when it was cooled. Your much better off keeping the ram air cooled with passive heatsinks (and a fan in a desktop) however in a notebook I guess it was best to tie it into the heatsink so that the heat comes out of the back of the notebook where the fans are instead of being inside the notebook.

 

i remember there was a poll of the c90's... (of which number of units are actually having hardware issue. ) well, its just really alarming that a SIGNIFICANT number of c90's are having issues... if it was marginal and some isolated cases, maybe people would not be worried.

 

Here we go:

I wont say what is good, just what is wrong with mine:

1.- Turbogear game mode doesnt work but already ASUS Tech support told me is not 100% compatible with XP
2.-Memory reading PC-4300 instead of physical one PC-5300

Now, temperature test with 3dmark06

In order to make reliable the test so we really compare results to gaming conditions, I run it 3 times without air conditioning (ambient room temperature) and i took the last run for reading cause the machine should be at hotter state.

Stating conditions on each test:
CPU temperatures C0 & C1 53-55 oC just doing writing and navigating through internet
Energy Mode: Standard running CPU at 2.666 GHz
GPU Temperatures: 69-71 oC
Core Usage: 3-6% (just using basic stuff)
CPU: COnroe E6700 (2.66) This CPU is really Hot and you should not comapare this results with the E6600 which is way cooler
2 x 1 GB corsair
200 GB 7200 rpm HD
Software to measure: RivaTuner & Ntune
rest parts, we dont care

Note: After every test I got back close to initial temperatures as follow:
1st TEST: 23 sec
2nd TEST: 25 sec
3rd TEST: 26 sec
All 3 test were done almost in a row just waiting around 30 sec for each

General results for 1st & 2nd Test
1st test: CPU top Temperatures were around 67 oC
GPU top Temperatures were around 79-80 oC
2nd test CPU Top Temperatures were around 70 oC
GPU Top Temperature were around 81-85 oC
CPU and GPU usage were around 96%-100%

3er.- TEST results
During first 2 graphic test
GPU temperature arose from 71 oC to 85 oC and finally 91 oC
CPU temperature arose from 53 oC to 66 oC and finally 68 oC
CPU usage were up and down in the 99-96%
Clock average 2.666 GHz
Core Clock /ROP domain MHz from 183 to 513
/Shader domain MHz from 364.5 to 1026

CPU Stress TEST (2 test)
GPU Temperature went from 83 oC to 72 oC
CPU Temperature went from 69 oC to 75 oC
CPU Usage: 100%

Last 2 Graphic TESTs
GPU Temperature went from 73 oC to 79 oC
CPU Temperature went from 74 oC to 66 oC
CPU Usage: 98% average

SOme observation, the cooling rate is very fast as your strees usage decrease either on GPU or CPU. For CPU, your temperature should not reach 80 oC for the E6700 CPU and for the GPU should not reach 100 oC Those are the limit for those parts, beyond that: HOUSTON, I have a problem.

I hope this help to clarify some of your doubts and take notice that CPU E6700 & E6600 have a some how a big impact difference in the temperature reading so it would be nice fr someone who has the E6600 to post his result here using the same technique to have a good comparison.

best regards,

RG

 

Playing Oblivion, listening to Winamp, downloading files wirelessly, messing with a friend's bluetooth phone ear bud, and thumbing through this forum with no problems whatsoever. I've got the E6600 thrown in here, haven't bothered to use the overclocking modes yet, and switching to battery and back to AC or Car Adapter has been without fault. 2gb of ram, windows XP SP2. Not even a single BSOD.

 

I hope this help to clarify some of your doubts and take notice that CPU E6700 & E6600 have a some how a big impact difference in the temperature reading so it would be nice fr someone who has the E6600 to post his result here using the same technique to have a good comparison.
best regards,
RG[/QUOTE]

Hello RGS - Thanks for taking all of the time to put that info together for us. I am using the 2.4GHz cpu. I designed and fabricated a "quick and rough" cooling pad/cooling stand to perform my temp tests on. The stand will allow me to place remote temp probes and use a 1 degree spotmeter. I have finished assembling the pad and hopefully will have time to run the tests this weekend.

 

i have an e6600 too.

Run 3dmark06 (basic version so all settings as they came) three times on a row. the room had ac and i was using a old cooling pad (ill re test tonight with no ac and no cooling pad)

used rivatuner to check gpu temps (havent checked cpu temps will do tonight)

first run max temp 91c during graphic test 2 (standard mode)
second run max temp 90c during graphic test 2 (gaming mode)
third run max temp 90c during graphic test 2 (oc mode)

i guess now im worried.

BTW a question ive never used 3dmark before is it supposed to be so slow??? i mean fps average are really low
gpu test 1 = 15 fps
gpu test 2 = 19 fps
cpu test 1 = 1 fps
cpu test 2 = 0 fps
gpu test 3 = 9 fps
gpu test 4 = 15 fps

all averages ... is it supposed to be that low?

 

Yes, at least in standard mode

 

lol dont really care about temps (heck didnt even know i had to worry about those till they mentioned it here on the forums, collective hysteria anyone?) meant it more for the "problem free" part. whatever they did to forerunners c90 id like to replicate it

 

Hello RGS - Thanks for taking all of the time to put that info together for us. I am using the 2.4GHz cpu. I designed and fabricated a "quick and rough" cooling pad/cooling stand to perform my temp tests on. The stand will allow me to place remote temp probes and use a 1 degree spotmeter. I have finished assembling the pad and hopefully will have time to run the tests this weekend.[/QUOTE]


OHHHH, really nice one. I eager to hear the results

 

0 actual breaking problems.

I'd like to get turbogear overclock working, but not the end of the world.
Dual boxing XP SP2 w/alky project and Ubuntu

System is 100% beautifully stable, runs overlord well (have to turn down resolution to 1280 later in the game when it gets messy), runs CS:source and SupCom, EQ2, Fifa, Madden 08, guild wars, WOW, oblivion, resident evil 4 well. No problems with the actual video outputs (hdmi/vga), testing esata tonight (have an ide -> esata enclosure to test with a spare 500gig ide I have sittin around). No problems detecting my usb gamepad thing (ps2 style) for RE4.

No problems with fingerprint reader, no problems installing ubuntu (after silent told me which version I needed- gutsy, not feisty), works flawlessly with my KVM ( IOGEAR GCS632U) to share my mouse ( a4tech NB75)+keyboard (saitek gamers 2)+sound+video....switch delay is definitely what it is factory set at, no additional delay. Partitioned hard drive before installing an OS (to ensure ease later). Wireless and bluetooth work flawlessly, including 0 reception problems with A/B/G/N (even airport testing on that @ buffalo NY - if you fly in there they have a 130KB/s upload speed cap, pretty nice), no problems with hibernate/sleep mode/starting up with or without the laptop plugged in.
No problems with the touchpad (its my first lappy I can sense no probs though), no problem with the vertical scrol on the right side of touchpad either.

Occaisionally the webcam needs to be maximized and then returned to normal size to work properly. I've noticed a small amount of audio crossover when you use an extra microphone output even w/headphones (instead of the stereo mic up top for webconf)....said stereo mic pair works beautifully, as well.

Battery Life on power save = ~1hr 40mins full or no load.

The briefcase thing could be a little bigger to accomodate more than just the lappy and ac adapter, but its very well padded.

My only concerns are 2 things:
I hope there's a new graphics card that comes out that is MXM2 and
I also hope that perhaps the machine will handle quad core of some variety (since supcom kinda needs it for anything more than 2v2 and especially when that game gets patched to 8v8/above)

 

I just took another look at the building pdf.

http://1toppc.com/Merchant2/images/Notebook/Asus/C90-Chapter%2004-v1.1.pdf

I see what Vicious is saying, I'm not sure why they felt the need to place a metal bracket inbetween the GPU core and the heatsink. Do you guys think that there is anyway to bypass it? I'm assuming the heatsink won't mount properly otherwise, but maybe the mod experts have an opinion?

 

COuld it be a way to dissipate more heat??? No idea really

 

I haven't had much trouble with supreme commander. 500 units on screen 1280 x 1024 max everything, ran with a few hiccups, gaming mode not much.

 

from what I understood a lot of times people take out said imbetween piece to make the cooling better, so exactly the opposite at least on desktops. Laptop might be difference due to size, I wouldn't know.

edit: RGS how was your lappy wifi card stolen?

Oh and Forerunner, try 3v3 with 500 units. THAT is not the same.

 

true designer. But a good amount of people put caps on the limit or should since very few desktops don't even have the cpu power to handle that much load. Thus even less laptops have the ability to handle it.

 

you can call me d or dfx to abbreviate if you want I don't mind Anyhow from what I was explained, the game is made to able to handle multithreaded for multiple cores, and that quad cores perform well in it but duals only do to a certain degree. They said they will patch it to handle more players once people have processors that can handl eit.

My friend had an e6600 desktop watercooled and said that he hits -4 on speed (for those that haven't played its a -10 to +10 scale instead of fps) during 3v3's when people have 500 units out.

 

Yeah tell me about it. I'm not a big fan of supreme commander. I have the game but I rather play COH or just a different game. Maybe they will optimize it better such as in forged alliance. Finally games will come down the pipe that utilize multiple cores.

 

Im from venezuela so I bought the laptop through the internet I made it shipped to my friend address in the USA. The laptop was bought by pieces (no assembled) so I would put it toguether here, at home. My friend came to Venezuela and 2 of his suitcases were open taking some of his stuff, my 2 x 1GB corsair memory and my Intel wifi card SO, I just bought 2 more memories here (which is way more expensive than in the USA) and an USB D-Link Wireless. Maybe, in the future, I will get the wireless when the new GPU for the C90S comes up, so I would get both shipped in the same package. For now, Im ok and happy

 

Amen to buying things cheaper in the US. lol the same setup i have could easily cost me around $2500 in my country... if you could actually find one. though at least, for me, $1800 is still a lot, lot of money.

Saludos dfx

 

Here could it cost at least twice and if you could find it. I bet you for the GPU innovation would cost around $500 the video card only. The memory cost me twice here as well, imagine the barebone itself...So with all this trouble, it was way cheaper but it is a gamble cause an RMA for defective parts would it cost me dearly.

 

no issues..

*knockonwood*