Interesting Results Testing Robson Intel Turbo Memory on F3Sv-a1

very nice post alex ty for the info

 

glad I could help!

 

Alex
You are simply stating what you read in a theoritical review by someone who read a theoritical review. You have no exprience with the module nor do you understand the results of the tests i conducted based on your comments. I dont want to know what anand or someone else said who really did not put any testing or thought behind it. if everyone jumped off a cliff i would not. i would ask why they are all jumping off a cliff first. Now that that is out of the way. in reply to the poster above.
I would get a 7200rpm drive over a robson module. I would increase my ram from 1gb to 2gb over a robson module. however if i had 30$ to spend and i already had a 7200rpm drive and 2gb ram then robson would be a definite must. If you compare the pcmark scores of the g2s vs the f3s. you will find a few things. pay attention!
1. the ammount of ram almost has no effect on the 5 hdd tests
2. the rpm speed of the hdd has a vast impact on 3 of the same 5 tests as robson did. for someone who is sceptical please review the tests. this should be telling you something. robson is a compliment to the rpm speed of the hard drive. In both notebooks despite the ammount of ram, cpu, vga, or rpm robson increased the transfer rate in the same 3 of the 5 hdd scores as did increasing the rpm of the hdd.
3. the cpu had no impact on the hdd tests neither did the vga card or anything else.
In reply to the poster above. all the tests were conducted in vista. pcmark runs 5 hdd tests specific to the hdd and nothing else unlike most other benchmarks. the xp boot up time is simply a test in pcmark that was run in vista. xp does not have any support for robson.
I will say this again for the hard of hearing. the tests i conducted very very thorough. more thorough then anyone at any review site conducted. I ran them over the course of a whole week mainly becuase the driver for itmwas finiky. it did not want to enable until multiple reboots if the module was disabled or taken out. the scores were predicatble. always came up the same when it was enabled and predicatbly much lower when disabled. i suspect some or most of the reviewers out there encountered the same problem as well as ran benchmarks that did really target the hd transfer rate as much as the ram and cpu. Ergo my results show 50% or better improvement in 3 of the 5 hd tests.
Alex read the scores and compare both the f3sv and g2s scores i posted. Stop reiterating the same mumbo jumbo posted by someone who read someone elses mumbo jumbo. I dont care what someone else who doesnt really know said. i care that the tests i conducted continually show a 50% or higher transfer rate in 3 of the 5 hd tests when robson is enabled. explain that away please, dont explain what you read out there. explain what you read here.

 

I also want to point out, people keep comparing ram to robson. adding 2gb of ram to the g2s had no noticeable effect on the hdd tests. other reviewers keep comparing their benchmarks 1gb with robson vs 2gb with robson. system ram had no effect on hard drive specific tests. A season reviewer should have figured that out. why are most of the reviews out there running tests that rely mostly on the speed and size of ram and cpu but not the hd? robson is a compliment to the hdd and nothing else as apparant from 5 simple pcmark tests. This is not trigonometry. this is highscool math. tests that are not hard drive specific show very little results. tests that are hard drive specific (like 3 of the 5 tests in pcmark) show great results. figure it out.

 

Alex you are repeating an article. We dont need to know how the technology works. we need to know what it does. so far we know that in increases by 50% or more transfer rate in 3 of the 5 pcmark tests. we also know that it provides the same results in a low end system as it does in a high end system with 4gb of ram and a 7200rpm. So in regards to saying that the technology is not useful in a high end info is 100% wrong. It does the same exact thing in a high end system as it does in a low end system. Predicatbly increases the transfer rate by 50% or more in 3 of the 5 pcmark hd tests

 

Most probably true however take a close look at the results i posted comparing f3sv with 5400rpm (without robson) then to g2s with 7200 (without robson). then compare the same with robson. are you not seing what i am seing? should i rewrite the scores in an excel file or a graph? g2s had a ton of ram however with robson the results were still predictably higher.

 

Sounds pretty good then, i was considering getting it anyway for the extra £18 it will cost me, but i had some more questions. Is it easily upgradeable, as Alex said he was going to wait for a 4gb module, and id like the option of having that in the future if i got the 1gb now. Ive heard its fixed internally to the motherboard so im not sure how easy that will be to upgrade. Geared2play, is there anywhere i can see the individual hdd tests you ran, or someone else has ran, in a graph or screen shots etc, not as an averaged overall result?

 

It's added via a PCI slot. It is very easily upgradable and can be installed by yourself. That what I'm doing. I'm going to wait until the drivers have matured and actually gives a boost in performance.

 

I see, i looked at toms hardware, and there seems to be little performance benefit to have robson on a 2gb ram laptop. Is this due to driver issues or bios/vista updates to come out in the future, or is it because its only 1gb. Should i wait for the 4gb like Alex, if its as easily upgradeable as you say.

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/2007/...perfetch-and-readyboostanalyzed_uk/page5.html

 

Infact some of the tests showed opening applications to be slower with Robson than without it, this is confusing.

 

toms tests are inacurate to say the least. qhoever tested it there did not spend any time on making sure the module works. like i said above. the driver is somewhat of a pain. most tests you see out there if they dont show performance in hard drive specific tests are just faulty. toms is a good example of a faulty test. pay attention to hard drive specific tests. as you see in the original post with robson in pcmark there is a 50% or more increase in 3 of the 5 hard drive specific tests.

driver issues and incorrect tests. I doubt whoever had been testing in that article at toms actually had the module enabled in the first place. also that article is dated january 31st. very outdated and inacurate souce of info

 

So what makes your test so accurate. You only have 1 dataset. If you know anything about statistics, you would know that your results are basically useless.

You keep mentioning how there's an increase in performance in 3/5 of the tests. That doesn't mean it will have an improvement overall. For example, if I want to test which pair of shoes will allow me to run a faster 5k, and in 3 of the 5 km, shoe A had a faster time than shoe B, does that mean I will have a better overall time with shoe A? According to you, if I want to do this test, I would just run it once with each shoe and since shoe A had a faster time in 3 of the 5 km, shoe A is by far the better choice.

 

Where are these 3 out of 5 test results? Where is the test?

 

REad first
12 data feeds. 6 for f3sv. 6 for g2s. 3 each with robson and 3 without. This is not a race. these are benchmarks. benchmarks made by the best benchmark company out there. futuremark. Your shoe analogy is out of this world. A better anology would be driving 2 cars. both with a super charger 3 times each and without a supercharger 3 times each. each time measuring the top speed, torque output, 0-60 rating, quarter mile rating, and start off. If the cars with a turbo excel in top speed, 0-60, and quarter mile each time predicatbly then those results speak volumes. follow"?

 

F3Sv With Robson:
PCmark-4800
CPU-4980
Ram-4150
Graphics-3400
HDD-4600

XP startup-11.067mb/s
application loading-6.349mb/s
general Usage-6.210mb/s
Virus scan-55.752mb/s
File Write-35.981mb/s

F3Sv Without Robson:
PCmark-4500
CPU-5000
Ram-4150
Graphics-3400
HDD-3600

XP startup-6.773mb/s
application loading-4.829mb/s
general Usage-4.017mb/s
Virus scan-56.607mb/s
File Write-35.057mb/s

Once again for the 13th time. you have to be one hard headed person not to get it. With robson futuremark is claiming that in xp startup, app loading and general usage there is huge increase in performance when robson is present. robson is 99% ineffective in all other tests including cpu tests, ram and graphics. it is only effective in Hard Drive specific tests. For the love of god figure it out. Robson is a compliment to HD specific tasks ONLY. it does not help cpu, ram or gpu performance what so ever. It does not matter how much ram you have it works just as well with 1gb of ram as it does with 4gb of ram. If anyone here questions these results then address your concerns to futuremark becuase their leading software is clearly stating that robson has a profound effect on the 3 out of 5 hd specific tests. its like every other person here turned into a brick wall that likes to play back faulty tests and results from sites that can not distinguish between hard drive specific tests and tests that are not hard drive specific. toms tests are a good example of inacurate data.
And in addition the tests which future mark shows robson take its toll are exactly the same tests that intel is claiming have an added benefit from robson. strange? no that was expected. Anyone read the intel article that says "up to 2x faster load times" , "20% or improved app loading and general usage". Anyone see the intel data sheet or am i the only one that actually ran the right tests to show it? perhaps intel ran the same tests i did.

 

alot of people in this thread are stupid...

geared2play.com >>>>>>>>

there is clearly a benefit in robson according to these tests...

why are people talkin about ram and readyboost lol

 

http://www.anandtech.com/showdoc.aspx?i=3009&p=4

 

lol that is nice performance boost there wish i had robson ; ;

 

ram has absolutely nothing to do with robson. that is my point. no matter how much ram you have robson still increases hdd performance by the same %%. Like talking to a brick wall.

 

You want people to buy stuff from you ;lol?

 

Thanks jumper. Not entirely sure what they are saying there as some of it is not english or fact. What i did gather from the article is that there are still software problems to work out however the technology does work. I guess they were too proud to eat their words and recant the previous article but the above will do. I wonder if they read my tests and decided to give it a second go. Anyways you are all welcome. I am done. I already added it plenty of times. Technolgy is not perfect buit it works and is worth the money. the End

 

I want people to stop acting like i am shoving something down your throat. In case you have not seen all my posts on all the forums. I dont give a crap what you buy or where you buy it. I am here to rep my self. If I dont like what you say to me i will tell you to shut up. dont forget that. You dont like my tude? cry me a me a river. for anyone else that is not weak in the knee caps and is interested on how to mod the g1s with a full sized robson a video will be released soon in the sticky section with all the videos. i am not a kiss ass like some of the other vendors here.

 

Im assuming you have left the default 5400rpm HDD in these laptops, would Robson have such an effect on a 7200rpm HDD? If not, then it is useless as all it benefits with any significance, is the HDD data output to the cpu/ram, which surely the 7200 speed would cover? A fast processor and 2gb's of Ram also seem to decrease the performance boost Robson could offer to practically 0. I am getting a laptop with t7500 (2.2ghz, 2gb of ram (maybe 4gb with vista 64bit havent decided), and 160gb 7200 rpm hdd, am i going to see significant performance incresses with Robson, as i mentioned before some tests on toms and anand show decreases in performance. I know Gearded doesnt seem to trust toms and anand, but im more inclined to believe a website publication site than someone who posts figures on a forum noticeboard with no proof. Do you have any screen shots, graphs etc. No offence, but i can say i did a test and my results were in favour of not having Robson. Just because i say it in here doesnt make it true, although it doesnt make it false. Id like the info to make up my own decision based on facts presented to me, as all these conflicting views from everyone makes it very hard for me and most others to come up with a definitive answer. Its not even the money as its so cheap, but as ive said some sites say it can slow the system down in some areas.

 

oh my gosh lol, well you have certainly lost my business

 

Wow, just imagine the service you'd get after you buy something from btotech if this Eddie is anything to go by. If your gonna be posting reponses with your company name on them, making you a representative of that company, you should start acting more professionally. You seem to take all these posts as a personal attack against you and give very defensive answers. I dont think anyone cares that much about offending you eddie, they just want answers.

 

Geared2play, I'm not trying to pick a fight with you. I just don't think you can draw a conclusion based on one synthetic benchmark. You said you ran 12 tests. Why not post the results of all of them?

 

To think i was considering a Sony vaio 1.66ghz-1.8ghz laptop, with 128 mb 8400m gt for and 160gb 5400rpm hd for £1100 before i cam on these forums *shakes head*.

 

How does the IFL-90 stay shut, there doesnt seem to be any latch or clip?

 

magnets? this post has to be 10 characters.

 

please refer all questions about the ifl90 in the compal forum.

anyway, one thing to mention is that robson is not the same as readyboost, so you can't compare those statistics from tom's hardware to what eddie is doing. also, if you look back a few pages, he runs the same tests on a 160 gb 7200 rpm drive that also gives similar increases in benchmark measurements.

 

What? but i did! multiple times!!! here. on this forum. How did you miss them? posted results for the g2s and f3sv. thats 2 tests each (one with robson one without) times 2 units. 6 tests per unit (3 with robson 3 without). I felt posting results per each loop was redundand since the pairs of 3 basically gave the same results.

PLEASE PLEASE read my replies. i already said 20 times that the g2s in my tests had a 7200rpm drive and 4gb ram while the f3sv was base. The results in the g2s with robson were just as impresive as the base f3sv with 5400rpm drive. Can someone please repeat this for me if anyone asks again

 

i will bet my left toe nail the writer here has a phd in english lit which makes him an overqualified writer. I find this article basically says what i have been saying in a more flagrant manner. Copy cats. If anyone here with robson wants to run some tests here are some i had in mind. I know you people are out there because we sold a few dozen of these modules already.
1. rendering a large file in vegas or premier pro
2. backing up a large drive with and without robson
Those 2 for now. i will have more ideas later.

 

I haven't even read the article Eddie. I don't even know what article you are talking about (I read the whitepaper on the tech, that is where I got my information, then I went over Toshiba and Sony's complaints from their release and figured their claims match the data, and why would they lie, so it is probably valid.) And you still haven't responded to how I keep telling you that however many times you repeat that data it won't make us any less skeptical. We are asking for new data, not for you to keep telling us the same thing over and over and BSing about FutureMark Corporation, which has nothing to do with this since we are telling you that we don't give a damn about the PCMark test. You say it is like talking to a brick wall with us? Every time we say "We want more proof, we don't trust the PCMarks to tell us real world performance" you say "PCMark shows improvements you idiots listen to me because I am apparently a genius." I guess most computer whizzes like yourself decide to work in retail instead of hardware design right? If you don't mind my asking, what is your educational background in Computer Engineering outside of "I work with computers every day!" The reason I ask is because I know guys who can install a Turbocharger blindfolded, but would never be able to explain why it improves engine performance like it does. There is a difference between knowing how to put together and fix computers and knowing how they do what they do. I just want to know your CV so that your argument that you know more about these computer's than all of us fools here at NBR. What was your background before BTOTech, Professor Science?

While you are at it answer this question, in full: Where is the video I asked you for when this whole argument started, Eddie? Methinks you know that you are wrong and are trying to weasel out of the argument by playing the authority card. Maybe if you convince us that we are all ignorant then maybe we will take your word on faith? Whether you admit to it or not, it isn't going to work. I know you will never back down, but rest assured that with the childish way you are acting in this thread you simply will not win. Also don't think that we won't point reseller ratings and the BBB to this thread to show your flagrant disregard for professionalism and seeming dishonesty.

For the record,I have a few authority cards I can play too, but I won't since I don't need to. The fact of the matter is that you are guilty until proven innocent and the hole you are in just keeps getting deeper and deeper.

 

How can i be wrong about the same thing that anand just posted in their revised article about robson and pcmark? Methinks i can not be wrong. All i said was "increased transfer rate by 50% or more in pcmark". anand turns around and puts another hour or two into retesting it a week ago and says the same thing. neither i nor anand have done any further testing. When all said and done we have done more testing then anyone else. That is where it ends. If i have time perhaps i will do further testing however methinks that sony and every other who couldnt figure it out before by the time 4th quarter rolls around will figure it out and make robson standard feature. What me thinks does not matter because every self made expert here thinks they know better. it is very annoying. Dont try to proove me wrong because you cant. it is not possible. i didnt make up the benchmark results. try to proove the technology right instead. that is the goal here. I have absolutely no doubt (none what so ever) that someone in the near future will expand on the results that i got and anand revised on recently. I have nothing further to add becuase like i said above i did not go further then pcmark and making sure the results in pcmark were accurate.

As funny as the above sounds. I have to mention that i never dug a hole that i fell into. I posted results that anand just reiterated. If anyone is in the hole it is you with your baseless quoting. I already proved some of your quoting untrue and unfounded. if you have no hands on exprience to add stop digging your own hole. It would be man of you to admit "sorry eddie i was wrong in some of the things that i said, my bad my mistake, i did not do much research and i dont have hands on in any of it". A true sign of character is being able to admit that you were wrong. Read anands revised article which really basically talks about the same tests as i did weeks ago.

 

My background is actually bachelor of computer info systems. My technicians background is nuclear engineer for 15 years overseas. My experience is beyond what you have acomplished. You are new to these forums so i welcome your questions since you really dont know what we have done with asus laptops in the past and all the things we have "invented". stop quoting other articles you have read out there. most of them are already out the windows and many more to follow. Come back with some information that any joe cant find out there on the internet him self like i did here.

You want mosre testing then either do it your self or wait for someone to do it for you.

Whaaaat!!! dude you are a lunatic!!! find me a single asus vendor that acomplished what we have, offers what we do, takes care of our customers like we do and stands by the product years after warranty like we do. There is not a single vendor in this whole country that has acomplished what we have. You are nuts! Every single hardware defect that has been found in popular asus models has been found by us, and reqorked by us as well. All the years of me serving this comunity and out customers are catologued not only on my own forum but in the thousands of r.m.a. forms i have collected over the years from customers who purchased elsewhere. elsewhere that told them "too bad it is out of warranty". You got some nerve. You better think twice before you accuse me of anything less then working for this cumminity and the product we sell.

 

Can someone post a test and the results up in this forum. Proper individual tests explaining how it was done, not a clumped average of 6 tests. Prefereable with graphs or charts with different cpu speeds/ram amounts/hard drive speeds all beinng individually tested, or post url's or sites who have done these tests. Like i said before id like to see all the facts first and judge its usefulness myself, rather than go on what someone posts in here. I dont know who Geared2play is but the way hes coming off in these posts makes me not trust what hes saying, many people have asked for more reuslts graphs charts different tests etc but Geared seems to ignore all this and say hes already done a test, which to me, doesnt look like a fair detailed one that was done properly, and if it was, why wont you post any screen shots or individual results. Geared seems to be running a threatening fear tactic on people in this forum saying that basically anyone who goes against what he says he will "make cry", are you 14? Why wont you just post up all of the results, whether or not you think its worth is irrelevant if people are asking for them.

 

becuase most people here that are seasoned, know who i am, what i have done, what i do and what i will continue doing with a few exceptions. Your self and alex to name a few.
Alex this is for you in case you missed it
http://geared2play.com/phpbb/nfphpbb/viewforum.php?f=11&sid=7497a743383aeeb799c4faee6d623180
before you muster up the nerve to question my credibility you better do your research and find some (atleast one) with more. if you find him you better ask that person if he calls me on the phone and asks for my help as i do to him.

 

Just because people know you from past posts doesnt mean everything you say in the future is justifiable and correct because of your past. Like i said i dont know who are, you could be right or wrong to me, i dont know, im new to this forum as you can see. Are you saying there is a big performance increase on a t7500 2.2ghz, 160gb 7200rpm, 2gb 2x1gb dual channel 667mhz ram system, by getting a 1gb robson turbo memory installed?

 

I didn't say you made up the data, I said you could have, for all we know. Regardless you proved that you were not, with the secondary sources citing the same increases. At the same time, however, you gave me a back up source that more than validates my argument against your test:

I trust that the technology is doing what it is supposed to UNDER THE HOOD, what I am objecting to is any claims of real world performance increases. You are saying on your website that Robson reduces boot/load times (no evidence AT ALL to support this claim) and increase battery life (I have seen tests that indicate it can give you a 5% boost in battery life on some systems, so whether or not that is worth 40 bucks is up to the user.) What I want from you is to stop repeating that tired argument that PCMark scores make the world go 'round and put up some relevant numbers. Like I said, Robson can triple your Read/Write speeds for all I care, if it takes 50 seconds for the computer to boot either way that data is invalid. Also, I would like to see you perform the same tests on battery life that they used, but on your system and post those screenshots. The more you keep repeating the same irrelevant results the more you sound like you really don't understand what you are talking about. (The problem with Robson is a software issue, not a hardware issue, so regardless of how well it works with improving data rates, it doesn't actually improve the subjective laptop experience)

Now is the part where you call me an idiot and say that PCMark is good enough for everyone so I should shut up and stop arguing because the scores speak for themselves. You will also repeat how Tom's and Anand confirmed your scores and say that I am not listening to you. Then you will explain how it is you fit a standard Robson memory module into a G1S (which uses Asus proprietary half-size slot) without voiding the end-user's warranty. Oh wait, no you won't.

P.S. Before you say you have half-size cards, stop, because I already have it on good authority that they haven't even been produced yet.

EDIT: Also, how would being a nuclear engineer teach you anything about laptops? It seems like the only experience you have with them is working at BTOTech. My sister has a computer info systems degree and I have friends in the Master's program for Nuclear Engineering at Georgia Tech, they are all at best intermediate computer users, and only from personal experience. Just because you have been here for years doesn't make you any more right anyway. If ejl or any other mod made a thread titled "Dell Inspiron 1505 faster than a G1S" with a synthetic benchmark and no other evidence (no offense ejl, just an example) the data wouldn't automatically become more valid just because they are senior members here.

 

What are your opinions on getting 4gb ram and vista 64bit, does turbo memory have or would it have a signifacnt difference on a system like that, with a 7200rpm hdd as well?

 

I ve said it before and again. the perfonace increase in pcmark 05 on a system with this specs and a system with much lower specs is about the same. you can compare both pcmark results. I dont need to draw a graph. a 5th grader should be able to figure it out from my results that i already posted. I have not done any other tests outside of pcmark but i have absolutely no doubt that the technolgy works and has a profound effect on certain tasks in real life. The burdan of testing further is on someone for now. Will it be on me? perhaps. possibly someone else in the near future

 

Alex. you will never find me saying that. on the contrary i have been saying that we are integrating full sized cards in the g1s. i have never ever said we have half sized cards. you are misquoting me

I have absolutely no doubt in intels and microsofts public statement. that same statement or the like has been made by intel mind you. If you dont trust intel or microsoft then who do you trust. i know it is not me. Please do not misquote me in the future as you did above

 

Your "faith" that this technology will work on other tests is meaningless, why not actually DO them. After stating all these claims you are now shifting further responsibility for others to go and test for themselves if they want to disagree with your "test". Why not post all individual results for the test you did originally? I have asked this 3-4 times now, do they not exist, did you not keep them, at least say something on this matter.

 

already posted them. read the original post. for both the g2s results and f3sv
Why am i not doing further testing. becuase on the only day that i can get something done i have to sit here and defend my own credibility against people who have none of their own.
Why dont you go buy a sr notebook with robson and do your own tests? i dont exactly get paid for barking and jumping when some newbie forumer says jump because i want more.

 

Yeah defending your credibility takes ALL day

 

I didn't hear you ever say anything about putting them in, so I just assumed that you would try to say that you had half-size cards. I apologise if I was unfair or missed something you said before. Regardless, how do you get them in there without either:
A) breaking the full-size card
OR
B) Voiding the warranty by modifying a proprietary port (and I did call Asus and confirm that anyone, including a reseller, will void the warranty by even attempting this)

 

I said other tests, how is going back to your original post with the original test going to show that you have done further testing?

 

How long does it take to post 12 numbers? Why not just post those numbers and let us decide for ourselves?

 

Neither actually. Requires 2 min of your time, some vinyl based tape, and ingenuity. The same ingenuity we developed with countless asus bluetooth hacks in models where you favorite dealers said "its not possible" the same ingenuity we had developing screen mods, and many number of things i have notched on my belt over the years. the same ingenuity and willingness to prove others wrong when i was able to draw conclusive benchmarks that prove that robson does work "under the hood"

 

It takes too long, he has to sit here all day on his one day off and defend his credibiligy. To be honest i dont care about Geared's credibility i just want the test data posted.