Lambo VX1 info

Aaargh...this suspense is killing me!!

Off topic: What the hell is this ****py??

[edited out for appropriateness]

I hate hangman....

 

^ Site does that automatically...if you put a word like **** or ****, it censors it for you.

 

.... where are we, China? Sometimes curse words are needed to really drill down the point.... they can be overused, without a doubt, but sometimes with out a good **** or ****, what you're saying just doesn't come across the same way.

 

heh...I am not saying I am against the site blanking curse words. I was simply asking what ****py is. Was it shi-ty? Was it cra-ppy (didn't realize cr-ap a swear word?)? I just wanted to know so I can replace the ****py in my mind.

Just curious...nothing else.

Ahem...I'm a Canadian working in Hong Kong. I know my English swear words...just don't know what ****py is...

 

hahaha...........

 

I'm pretty sure it was cra-ppy .. on the other hand .. lol, I never noticed that about Matsu****a ...
p this is fun .. i can write Matsucra-pa if I want to and it won't make a difference ...)

 

I still think the Lambo speck make it a Turd and I like how I don't have to Astrix that out!

 

I wouldn't say it's a turd ... specs are right up there, as far as I can see, with the sole exception of the graphics card. Sure, an X1600, 2.16GHz and 2GB RAM would've been preferable, but basically what they're doing is charging several hundred bucks extra for the fancy car paintjob - Falcon NW does the same with its Exotix case-painting; do you see anyone complaining about that? People who want a thin, light and powerful non-gaming laptop with a really classy paintjob could do a lot worse than a Lambo...
It's not meant to be a value-for-money laptop ... it's meant to be a flagship...

 

For the $ its not worth it. 500$ paint job is trash to most consumers. People want performance and value Lambo misses that mark by a Mile! = Turd!

 

it really doesnt matter I believe north america is only getting 50 or so and they will all sell.

 

Imagine for a second the Lambo has a IPS screen and a X1600. = Shining golden Egg!!!! Everyone would want one and they would sell out in the first day guaranteed. But no they decide to make the Lambo specs into a brown stinky Turd. If the second series Lambo dosent have a IPS screen and at least a 7600 then I will dub it TURD #2!!!!!!!!!

 

Barlog, you said it, It's meant to be a flagship...and with that title comes responsibility. A Flagship model normally showcases all the brand has to offer in every way possible...A shiny cover doesn't cut it. So for a flagship model, these specs are a real let down to almost everyone in the know...It's just that simple, this model should have been a performance and luxury powerhouse in everyway possible given the Lambo association...It looks like they missed the mark and that's that. There's nothing we can do about it now, so all of those who are disappointed have every right to speak out, and all those with other opinions also have that right.

My opinion is they made a mistake with this model, one I really hope they correct on the next time out...I think the whole lambo association is wasted on this particular incarnation. If these are the specs they were planning on from day one, then they should have chosen a more appropriate marquee to associate themselves with, one that actually matches our general expectations of each brand and makes sense with the final result...or simply not bother to make the association at all. That's obviously not the case, after such a long period of introduction, planning and production, I really have no idea what Lambo or Asus are thinking.

Like I've said before, we'll see what's what sometime soon, but at this point it really does seem like such a waste in so many ways.

 

I do actually happen to agree with you guys; the specs should've been better. I was just pointing out that the massive pricetag probably comes from the paintjob, and not from the fact that it's the be-all and end-all performance wise (which, again, I agree - it should've been.)

 

I get Proportables point that this is going to be a system to lift Asus’s profile, and to that point the V6 chassis is the perfect choice, it is stunning and seriously thin, for people who have not seen Asus, it will lift their profile.

However for those of us that know the Asus brand, see it as somewhat of a rip-off, just adding a special lid to a V6 chassis and whacking the price up.

I do believe that Asus are walking a very fine line, if they are building a design to be their flagship model you would expect it to have the best, components possible, when you think of the name “Lamborghini” you think style, performance, quality and power.

When happens when it gets reviewed, if it gets slagged off for having mediocre components and a massive price tag, what that going to do for Asus’s reputation?
(Although I did see a current review of an Asus W3V in What Laptop mag here in the UK, that had a 1.86 Ghz (single core processor) 4200 rpm drive and it got one of the highest scores ever seen due to its well designed motherboard and divers set up), so I am sure that the Lambo will perform (not considering graphics)

I was going to upgrade in a year or so to Lambo just because I want the highest spec Asus laptop you could buy, but by looking at those specs at I will not bother, I just hope that as it develops the internals will improve, I mean the first Acer Ferrari was not that well specified, but now its actually not bad.

I just though Asus would go in all guns blazing, it more like a S&M show (smoke & mirrors) I am sure for the purpose it is being used for it will do the job, but personally I am disappointed, but then I have high expectations, especially when you are associating the brand with Lamborghini!

 

NZ,

You've got most of the point, but no one said the lambo line is asus' "flagship".... the lambo model barely even has Asus' name on the system and it's going to be marketed at a Lamborghini Vx1..... I mean it's not quite the same ODM situation as say between Asus and Apple or Sony, but in a lot of ways it is...... I'm not sure how Asus is getting their name in their other than the fact that their dealers are going to be selling them....... and reviews hopefully mention their name.... I don't know.... but Asus' "flagships" are the V6j / W3j / W5f / W1j / W2j / and will be the V1j....... so basically the V and W series are the "flagship" models with the W2j being the real "flagship".... and in my opinion.... the V1j totally has the potential to be "THE flagship" towards the end of the summer........ but more of these Lambo models will be sold in Lambo Design stores across the world, but mainly in Italy..........

As I've said before, if I paid close to $230 USD for a golf shirt in that store... and because Lambo designs and sells a $20k golfcart in the same store and $5k bicycle..... this laptop will sell quickly... even if it's just there......

We'll see what happens..

 

Thank you for clarifying that, that totally changes my idea of what the Lambo will be and its purpose. if its not meant to be their all singing and dancing system, thats ok. Anyhow the V6 in my opinion is one of Asus's best chassis, so whatever the spec... I am sure it will do well.

I was just concerned that if the Lambo was Asus's "Flagship" system with "OK to GOOD" components that people may wonder about the ability of their standard range, being lower than that? but taking into account what you said, that is not an issue.

Cheers

 

... nah.. I think those in the know will still choose the V6j.... but it's still undetermined if we'll even have much of a choice anyway.

 

Like you said Justin, the paint job costs money - I'm sure they use top quality materials for the case...the brushed aluminum costs money...

It's kind of an exclusivity thing. If I had the cash and didn't care about gaming, I'd be ALL over it. It's just that purty.

 

Well..... the notebook itself is a V6j... that has brushed aluminum and it's carbon fiber as well.... the configuration will be slightly higher than the current v6j and then you've got the cost fo the paint job. I've cars and I've also used the same process to paint some promo laptops... it's a pain in the rear. Most of these companies who have painted systems don't go through all the steps that you would on a car.... and certainly don't use the same quality paint.... when you actually do it right, it's going to get expensive... especially because labor is a huge part of the cost and even if they do 100 at a time, it's still a lot of detail work and a lot of clean up...

 

Yeah, as you said people who are in the know will go for the V6J.

For myself personally, the only reason I would go for a Lambo over a V6J is if the Lambo was a consedirably better specified, but saying that if the Lambo ends up being better specified than the V6J I would be prepared to pay the premium for a top Asus system, I suppose we will have to wait and see what unfolds over the next few months.

(thats one thing that's been bugging me over the last year, trying to find an Asus notebooks with high end processors? I know the average user doesent care and it makes them price competitive, but for the power user, thats the reason for buyin Asus is to get the best, and I can't find a built on Asus distributer here in the UK?)

That is the same reason why I am actually going for a W3J over the V6J now, as I think the V6 is a stunning chassis, thinner more brushed aluminium than the W3, but for now in my opinion the W3J is better specified and more versatile with the multibay (well to suit my needs anyway), thats why for now I am going to get a W3J, but I will be keeping a close eye in the V6.

 

Without really going into your post... i get this a lot and people wanting "high end cpus"... the pentium-m and certainly the new penitum-m core duo ARE high end cpus...... the difference between a 1.66 and a 2.1 core duo is more about money and benchmarks than it is about real performance.... yes they get more powerful, but there's only soo much power you can really use and even if you have money to burn, i'd never suggest the top end cpu and if you're stuck to a certain speed asus is offering, you really shouldn't feel "stuck" because the difference between them is very little even to the most hardcore user.

 

Well for some of us the difference between the 1.66 and 2.1 means a lot. I happen to heavily use Lightwave 3D and when rendering out final renders every bit of speed = time saved = money. Sometimes it can take 5-30 mins for a final render sometimes it can take hours (Print resolution) and if I can shave 15%-20%-25% of that time down I save myself money. In a production environment the time you save waiting on your computer to finish a long processing task like rendering 3D images or rendering out animations is very important. I agree though for most people gaming and web surfing and light tasks wont even notice the difference between 1.66 and 2.1.

 

Johnny, 100% with you. Rendering is what gets the most bang for your buck when it comes to the speed(age).

I do video editing with Premiere and there is a big noticeable difference between differing processors and speeds and RAM, etc. etc.

Time is money.

 

To both of you...... Until you use Maya or 3ds Max a few times a week, don't get on me about rendering times...... I physically aged a good five years faster than I should have through college both with the pressures of juries and deadlines which really was made up by rendering and printing time.

Premiere is hardcore like that, but although strecthing it from a 1.66 to a 2.1 is asking a lot, but when we've got people wanting a 2.0 over a 1.8 or whatever... you're not going to see anything... trust me. You want faster rendering times - get a 7,200rpm hard drive and notice the difference... yes cpu speed is important in these cases, but really 3rd as important compared to amount of ram and most importantly, hard drive speed. If anything, over the course of say an 8 hour rendering, the difference between 1.6 and 2.1 on these new dual core pentium-m's you might save between 5-10% and honestly shaving 30-45 minutes off an 8 hour rendering is not going to make your more productive.... Unfortunately I know. In theory, yes it should, but on a rendering like that you're not going to be sitting at your computer waiting for it..... that's a fact of life...... now on an hour rendering say you save 3-6 minutes.... come on.... people waste more time picking their nose during the day.

In theory, yes..... and someone who runs a business, spend as much money as you want... but as someone who pounds their computers more than 99% of the customers they have...... it's not worth it.

On custom systems it's why I've always said to pick the hard drive you want first, the ram you need and then the cpu you can afford..... it'll make the perfect system for you and keep it within your budget. With that said.... if you have the deep pockets and want to max out a system, more power to you and justify it anyway you want, but I know maybe more so than a lot of people that time is money and the faster I can get a job done, the better..... but you've got to weigh the reality of that with the actual gains.

 

yup johnny

Rendering (ram intensive too, took me 3 hours to make my desktop, pics later)
Encryption
Decryption
Compression
Decompression
Zipping
Unzipping

All of these things and possibly others, require RAW processing power. So yes higher clock speeds will make a big difference percentage wise/time wise.

However for gaming, normal use, a small difference in cpu speeds will make the smallest difference in fps.

Thanks,

MysticGolem

 

First off I never asked or said anything about me wanting a 2.1. Secondly my post was simply pointing out that the differance between a 1.66 and a 2.1 on a render or very CPU intensive task, can save time. In a lot of instances saving time on a render saves money in the long run. Third the speed of the hard drive dosent do anything for render times in my 3D program, didly squat. The speed of a hard drive might affect something like video editing but not 3D rendering(at least in the programs I have used). In fact I dont know of a 3D program where the speed of the hard drive affects render times.

If you have an animation where you have to render out 1 minute of footage for a TV comercial you will need 1800 rendered frames. If the differance in processor speed can save you 1 minute per frame.....well you can figure out the math on that one. Imagine if you can save 2 minutes or 3 minutes per frame.

If you think Lightwave is for kids or it isnt as demanding as Maya or Max your wrong. Here is a project I just finished.

 

I will never return to the asus notebook forums again because of this.


Now i know their company is ran by a bunch of monkeys

 

That's the best news I've heard all day.

 

Bye bye!
Btw : That looks like an automobile, i don't get it.

 

Heyyy.. nice one Johnny

that looks hot. even the tires have the faint logo marking.. sweet.. if wuht cant tell it's 3d graphics that says something dude. erm not on wuht's part, but on your work

 

JBALL,

I know lightwave is intense, but not more instense than what I was talking about.... and never said you wanted a 2.1 over a 1.66....... the W3j is going to be a 1.8 anyway...... so I'd assume that meant you wanted a 2.0 let's say?! Anyway...... what I'm saying is that I think you're wrong on this one. What I do with Max and what I've gone for 5-6 years are walk throughs.... there's not a chance in hell that the difference between a 1.66 and a 2.1 will save me 1 minute per frame....... I know that's just a number you through out there, but no way. Maybe a 1.66 P4 verses a 2.1 P4 or something.... but I'm telling you the differences between the mobile cpus are closer and closer every year and the real difference between them just doesn't add them.

The last presentation I gave pinned a 1.5 dothan against a 1.8 dothan........ same ram and same hard drive.... same rendering. I think we saved honestly 45 minutes over the course of an 8 hour rendering... Now.... with that, the desktop that we pinned both of those against had something like a 2.8 P4 and way maybe 3/4 of the way done when the 1.5 got done........ does that make sense to you? I know you're giving me numbers and I know given what you do, you know what I'm talking about... but this is my thing and I give demos on this to make big contracts and make schools and businesses think their desktops are junk.

With that though, the difference betweena 1.8 and a 2.0 come down to mainly another $150 or something..... I'm all about being productive and everything, but in real life those numbers you're giving don't add up.... I wish they did because it'd make what I do even easier, but there is a happy middle ground... you ARE going to get something with that faster cpu where as 99% of people wouldn't know the difference 4-5 years down the road even... it's just not as great as you expect.

By the way though, that McLaren is a beauty.... what'd you do that for?

 

Hopefully this hasn't already been posted, but Engadget had an article/link from a few days ago on the Asus Lambo. I've posted the pic below - the black is JAW Dropping. They focus on the price vs. the less than top shelf specs.

Bottom line is any press is good press when you're trying to build awareness of the brand. People will be inclined to say - wow if the Lambo looks so nice, what does the rest of them look like. Then they'll see how reasonable the price points are on most of the other models vs. the specs and be sold.

Smart people working for Asus...and again, if I could afford it I'd be ALL over the black Lambo.

http://www.engadget.com/2006/04/14/asus-shows-specs-price-for-lamborghini-vx1-supernote/

 

Yes, definately agree.

Also yah i also dig the black colour!

Doesn't the bump in the hood (lid) of the lambo increase the thickness of it at the back?

Thanks,

MysticGolem

 

Ahh yes for the most part I was just talking in general.

If you ever used Lightwave and the Fprime plug-in for rendering then you would know that going from a 1.66 to a 2.1 would increase your rendering times more dramatically than other rendering programs because Fprime is totally CPU bound for its work and responds dramatically in render times with more CPU speed to work with because it alleviates more overhead for Fprime to work in. My only point was saving time when rendering is important but that can also be subjective because some programs like Lightwave and Fprime will respond better to more CPU power than other 3D program's render. The extra boost from 1.6 to 2.1 for Fprime would substantially cut down render times and in long animation renders saving any time you can will boost your productivity and widen your time line for a project(which is never that wide to begin with). Saving even a small amount of time for each frame in a long or even short animation will help your production time line by a great deal.

Applying your speed difference in rendering in your Max program doesnt translate across the board to Lightwave with Fprime. Not to mention all the different rendering options such as Radiocity, Ray tracing, Refraction, Ect that can affect render times and are more bound to CPU calculations like Radiocity for example.

In the end its more or less subjective to the software and rendering choices you make. The difference in CPU clock speeds can mean the difference between making the deadline or missing it when its tight. One thing someone getting into 3D should know the deadlines are always tight and you will appreciate the extra speed if your 3D program can take advantage of the higher clock by cutting down your render time.

I appreciate the 1.83 and it will boost my productivity while I am mobile(Especially DUO). For the most part your right though the speed increases between a 1.6 and 2.1 of the same class processor will not affect many people. But it does affect a few professionals namely me. This is especially true on tight deadlines and there are not many deadlines in the 3D CG graphics industry that are not tight. Now the speed differences between different class processors like a Duo vs Single core are not even worth comparing because the Duo will eat the Single for lunch. This will be my first DUO core and thanks to smart multithreading in my 3D program it should significantly boost my performance because both processors can be set to the same task such as rendering.

The Mclaren is a personal project most of my professional work is under NDA because I don't own the rights to it and I cant show it.

Its kinda funny both of are sorta long winded when it comes to explaining things but I like to be through and explain where I am coming from.

 

I dont see why anyone would even use a notebook for that kind of work when a desktop is cheaper and faster. granted your program may rely more on cpu the different betwen a 1.66 and 2.0 are minimal. the differnce between the old 1.6 and 1.86 were 6% at the most. hardly means much. so while it might be an hour faster in a 10 hour project that doesnt really mean much. or maybe a clevo model with an X2 would be better for that.

 

You hit two things I was thinking right on the nose...... and you're right the newest core duo's are actually closer in performance, although all of them blwo the pants off the dothans..... even though the dothans were certainly very powerful...

....However, yes a desktop is cheaper and faster regardless.... I usually use my watercooled workstation for renderings, but on the go, sometimes I don't have a choice... and there are plenty of kids in school who can't have both either and a laptop is really what they need and want.... and a laptop can certainly get it done and get it done smoothly.... it's just that when you want to compare not only just one laptop, but the difference between say a 1.8 and a 2.0 core duo running with the same configurations on the same laptop...... we're not talking about a big difference.

.... basically what I'd tell any graphics guy out there who's picking up a W3j...... buy an extra 1gb stick of 667 and get a seagate 100gb/7200rpm hard drive..... it'll make the great W3j even better and make an $1800 system cost $2100.... but the value of that system is what you make it.... but it'd certainly be worth more than what'll cost to make those upgrades... if in fact you can benefit from them.

 

Its funny when someone says saving 1 hour out of ten isn't much when working on a 3D project/production/pipeline because I can immediately tell they have not worked in tight deadline high demand 3D industry. Some people skimp on quality of there work to get it in and on time. I am the kind of person that looks for all possible ways to first get the quality work for a professional project and if the time constants are getting tighter I will try my best to maintain the quality of my work and lastly the thing I hate doing is lowering the quality so that the render or animation or what have you will finish on time and I can deliver it. 1 hour out of ten doesnt seam like a lot to most people but add that up over the course of a year and you would be surprised how much further you can get in your professional carrier by saving 10% of your time.

Secondly a Laptop is Mobile. There are many many benefits to being able to do most if not all of the same quality/amount of work while traveling.

Desktops are needed they are great. This laptop I am getting will give me time and abilities to deliver work in ways that my desktop could not and that's just a fact in a lot of business work for many professions.

Anyway I love these type of discussions very revealing. On a side note I think we accidentally hijacked this thread.

 

You cant reall have it both ways though. if you need to be a mobile and it helps thats great. but if Time is anabsolute must on a tight deadline a desktop thats blows the doors of a laptop makes sence. i mean its not like you cant have a superfast desktop running and get the renderings you want off it and transfer it to your laptop. I mean whynot get a less expensive laptop run all your renderings from your desktop. and control you desktop remotely or have a FTP going so you can have access to your files anywhere you are. i understand how a laptop can help you out. But if you are doing this professionaly it makes more sence to get it done a machine that can do it in half the time. its more productive.

 

Ok so what do you do when your out from your home say out meeting a client and you give him all those cool renders of that new product he is going to roll out tomorrow. He says well I love all these renders but we are also adding the product in green and blue and I would like two additional renders at 1920x1200 and with a lighter color background. I say sure fire up my laptop and crank out the renders right there while he watches then give them to him Via disk I burn right there. Quickly and easily.

Having high speed internet connection that's fast and reliable for remote desktop everywhere you go is impossible. Having a laptop that can run 85%-90% of your desktop power and be able to render or do anything you can do on a desktop is priceless.

Being able to do that quickly and easily in the field allows me to go out much more and meet people face to face. It is a priceless thing to shake someones hand and hand them there work they paid for (A smile and a handshake are sometimes worth more than your whole project for a client). Justin probably knows this well. Or to go out and see there prototypes that you need to model, surface and render. Its priceless to be able to make quick changes that a client wants right there in his/her office without having to go home and come back or say let me do that and get it to you at XX time. This is the heart of a laptop being able to take the work you normally do sitting at a desk with you wherever you go.

 

Hyjacking a thread....got to be done, Nice redrings Jonny, I also dabble using 3DVis, and my work PC has a dual Xeon 3.0Ghz processors, 4GB ram (which actually slows down photosop images (I am talking about an image that is 2.5m x 1.0m @125 dpi, 450mb lzw tiff, opens up using 2gb ram)) and twin HDD'S and am still pushing for an upgrade.

I work for an architectural company as a landscape architect so do a lot of masterplanning projects, which are quite large, (curent project in morocco is 4.5km x 1.5km) I tell ya poping a terrain on in VIS where the base CAD file of 3D contours is 30mb, the twin processors were going flat out all night and still didnt complete, I had to cut every second contour before it would even complete a terrain.

I have to agree with Jonny... Ray tracing and sunlight systems are a killer when it comes to rendering, but I also believe Proportabe has a very valid point, as a fast HDD tremendoiusly speeds up operation, I haven't studied rendering times vs HDD speed, so can not comment, however with photoshop having a fast HDD is a massive boost, I am not going to go into deatils, but we even developed our own tests to verify as our IT department won't fork out till we provide proof.

when it comes to work I am very impatient and dont like wasting any time, some poeple are happy to sit there picking there nose, scratching their but, but when you have a deadlind it bugs the hell out of me. I closely watch task manager to see what is being stressed, but it is hard to find proof it seems that power users are a minority.

I will shut up now, but all things considered I would still like the fastest processor I could get. mind you I did see a rewiew of an Asus W3V with a 4200rpm drive, that actually whipped another laptop that had a faster processor and 7200rpm drive, its also about mobo configuration and drivers as components.

So I am sure bying an Asus.... it will be quick..... and as Proportable suggests, pimp it out with RAM and fast HDD, it will serve you well.

 

I was never saying its not a good thing to have a fast laptop. Faster the better. I was just saying if deadlines are of absolute importance wouldnt a desktop make more. sence. This thread has gone off course and im partly to blame. Did you ever think about getting one of the Clevo models with the desktop CPU? its still kinda portable at 12lbs. would def kill the core duo. http://www.sagernotebook.com/pages/notebooks/product.cfm?ProductType=9750

 

12 pound Ugh would you carry one of those around?

 

i would if i wasnt walking like a mile. but froma car to a building not a big deal. but they do get the job done when you need power.

 

W3j is so much more sleek and small. I wouldn't carry a 12 pound rock when I can carry a -5 pound diamond. Desktops are good for what they do and laptops are good for what they do and they cant replace what they do individually. A laptop can almost do what a desktop can but a desktop can NOT do what a laptop can. That's what a laptop if for!

 

I have to agree, I often work and travel, last year I was away for one month had to renew my visa, right at the same time A project I was running was due, I had to go to Morocco for a meeting, Dubai to work with the client for a week, then I had to fly down to NZ to apply for a new work permit (which took 2 weeks), before I could return to the UK while at the same trying to make changes and finish this project, I tell you I just had company Del Latitude with 1gb ram and it did the job, if I hadnt had that I would have been shafted.

This is proabaly never likely to happen again but there is no way I could have done this without a laptop, I was actually amazed at how well the Del did as even my dual 3.0 Ghz Xeon desktop with 2gb ram struggled with the file size.

 

All i have to say is the ferrari is gonna outrun the lamborghini this time.. hehe

 

Pfft the Lambo is more like a Pinto in fact it should be Pinto VX1.

 

^ Actually the Pinto is like the MBP - goes up in flames.