M6BNe -- Does it run hot?

If you had notebooks that began to opperate at 80C and you keep seeing the same thing, 2 things should be done.
1. Inspect the notebook for any use. I would say you are getting some grey market stuff or are getting units that have a very old shelf life. The fan issue was addressed almost immediately as soon as it was discovered. The the past few bios revisions corrected many issues one of whcih was reports of faulty temps and the fan kicking in earlier then later. It is your job to make sure that you dont buy these units with a shelf life that is older then 1 month. The best way to acomplish that is not to buy from ditribution that send you old units.
2. Update the bios and see what happens. If you got the latest bios and nothing changed nd the heatsink does burn you then send it back.

Every single notebook we send out are benchmarked and tested for functionality as well as a current serial number. If your serial number on the m6n start with anything other "4cnp" you are getting old units. 4bnp was used months ago. 4anp was used even before that infact its original as far as i know. if your bios is 0203 then the unit starts with 4anp. That tells me you got some refirbished stuff. All asus whitebooks are shipped with one layer of safety tape that is put on in the factory. If you see anything other then that someone before you had their way with it. I cant offer any more advice other then that. Quality control is an important part of my biz. If "half" or even anything more then 1% had overheating issues i would not be reselling them. Infact i would steer people elsewhere.

 

I dont think i made it seem i was arguing that one of your notebooks had a faulty fan. What i was arguing is the hysteria you were trying to create. Belive me asus already knows that a tiny percent of their notebooks have issues. There is not one manufacturer that does not. Your claim that so many of these have an inherent overheating issue is just not supported. If anyone here had their faulty temp readings solved by a bios update or you have not had it solved but your heatsink does not burn you when you touch it please speak up. I would love to get some input here as i think this is something that has already been addressed by one of their recent bios revisions.

 

It would be advisable to tell all on one post as you are cluttering up this thread here.

Firstly "My point is i still have yett to see a second unit where the fan does not turn on before the heatsink becomes so hot that it scolds you."? Who opens up a notebook and touches it while it is on to see if it will burn their fingers or not? I honestly don't think you had been around enough of these notebook to be speaking as if you engineered them. I had two notebooks here and both with the 2.0 and both operating at low 80's, both were hot enough not to leave on your lap for more than 5 mins, now you can assume that the acutal heatsink is even hotter...again if you played around with these M6N's, you would know what I speak of. There is not way you can prove their are not running at 80C!

Now 80C is not 100C and there is a difference if you haden't noticed so please don't bring that up as it does not pertain to this issue. You are over exaggeration the temps now, let's be specific.

I have 0203 on my personal notebook because I built it for myself as a demo 3-4 months ago, and if there is nothing wrong with a notebook, there is no need to update the BIOS. All the new notebook I get have the latest BIOS, and hence are having the difficulties that I claim here. There is nothing wrong with my distributors as they are most likely the same as yours, and if you check Asus's website, they are one of the distributors on their list and well know across North America. We don't deal grey market, we dont cheat customers. And I am aware of all securities of the Asus product and I inspect everything personally before building it.

Now there is no Hysteria in my agrument as this is a fact since many and many user have been concerned about and still no logical explanaiton been given. Nobody here can say their can open up and touch their cpu heatsink and it does technically VIOD their warranty so please do not offer this to anyone. Ultimately, I have a valid point here, and there has been nothing here to prove otherwise... If an BIOS update comes out and changes temp reading or turn on fans at lower temps...then all is solved. I came to these forums to possible see if there was a solution.

 

Question for Geared2Play:

No, I'm not going to settle your debate with Redcoolie[ ] but I do have a somewhat relevant question that I hope you can answer but it's in regards to the M5n:

Is it true that the fan is always on (technically anything above 20c) on the M5n? Or should it turn on and off like most regular noteboks?

I know this is technically off topic for this thread, but you're company sells the M5n so I thought you'd might know. thx

 

Anar
Yes its always on if on ac or off ac. On battery is you are doing regular work its in low rpm's mostly and failry quiet. On ac depends on what you are doing. As far as i see there are 2 speeds to the fan with their latest release in which they actually changed the wifi card to a G and changed the box its packaged to make it even smaller. They also released a bios that will enable only 2 speeds for the fan. Cant imagine why as their beta release of this notebook worked excellent. Fand operated much better and it actually got alot more battery life out of it becuase the fan was not always on. This is fairly common to the micro lappys despite the manufacturer. Due to the small room it has inside there is not enough room to dissipate the heat. Nobody yett complained that the fan is loud enough that it cannot be tollerated. It would be nice if it was silent but i think thats almost imposible due to the size of the "hole" it sitts in and the vacum it creates. Its not the fan that makes the noise its actually the vent when the air passes through it. Bigger notebooks with the same fan are almost silent.

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Redcoolie

 

Geared, thanks for the response. That was the first coherent explanation for the M5n fan that I've heard! Mine is of the newer set, hence the fan "always on" variety...just wanted to make sure that this was normal. Great laptop though otherwise...

 

You know i wish there was a way to downgrade the bios. As far as i know that is impossible because the flash utility prevents that though you can try. unless you have a machine that programs the chip and i know it out there. I dont think the fan on it is loud. It does make a slight vacum noise when on the ac adaptor but i belive its typical of all 12" laptops. I ve seen dells and clevos and they all have that fan characteristic. What do you think of the fan in it.? DOes it bother you alot or its just something that drains the battery? Almost everyone buys the 9 cell anyways which will allow you upto 7 hours of aperation. Other then that its a neat lill laptop far superior to any other design i have seen in its class. For the money its not even a contest.

 

I really wish there was a way to roll-back BIOSes as well... I hope ASUS is working on a way to do this.

ASUS M6800Ne, P-M 1.5 Dothan, 512MB Ram, Tohiba Combo drive, Samsung Spinpoint M 40G HDD with 8M cache, Mobility Radeon 9700

 

Geard [ )],

Notebooks are not suposed to be placed on your lap unless you dont care about what is between your legs. There has been a huge study conducted and actually someone on these forums posted a thread. Regardless if this notebook you have feels very uncomfortable in your lap at half throtle then there is something wrong. On full throtle its normal for your lappy to reach hi 70's i dont doubt that. You were stating that they reach 80 on half as far as i remember. If you are playing a game do not rest it on your lap. I think even the users kno not to do that. Rest it on a flat suface so that the vents are not obstructed. "

Please for the love of GOD, I was just using that statement as an expression to explain my point of excess heat, don't take it to the heart.

Now,

"Read my statement above and conduct the experiment yourself. You will find that what I said is reality."

I think you went a bit off topic there, what did you mention in your previous post they was relating to my "There is no way you can prove they are not running at 80C!"??? Let us continue...

Also as a kind gesture,

"The asus where to buy page. We are there and ranked as one of top 3 integrators."

Honestly, I don't really care. That has nothing to do with this whole issue, and it is not hard to get ourselves on their webpage. I don't know if you keep repeating this to psych my out or what, not working.

Finally, like I mentioned above, I think the best way to solve this debate is to see if a BIOS update will set things straight as I believe it is the best was to prove otherwise

 

Aurora
Why do you want a way to roll back the bios. As far as i know the recent releases for the m6n only made improvements? Got anything to add to this little argument we have going here since you use the m6n?

 

Red
the reason i mentioned the where to buy page is becuase you had sated "i lack the experience with them". Try the bios update 0211. I ve been telling you from the getgo if you are experiencing abnormal temps, the obvious solutions is to try the bios update and try reading the temp from the heatsink right above the cpu core. if its between 45C-70C give or take full throtle or half then its within normal opperating range.

 

Geared,

I would say 90% of the time, the fan noise doesn't bother me even when it's plugged in-but the 2nd day I had it I was using it in my office and it did start to get on my nerves a bit, hence my concern over it. I'm also coming from an Averatec 3200 where the fan would pop on only once in awhile--of course this resulted in a much warmer lappy. At the very least, I wish Asus would make it option: better battery life but warmer or worse battery life but cooler (and louder), it'd be a nice option to have.

I have written to Asus about this, maybe if enough people complain to them they'll consider modifying the bios. Other than that, it's one powerful laptop (espeically with a 7200 HD) and the wifi works real well, so because of all that I'm definitely going to keep it. I haven't gotten the larger battery though I'm defintely considering it.

 

you claim the 0203 BIOS is great... and I would love to try it. Mine was shipped with 0204... and it ran hot. I tried 0205... no changes. 0206 was quite good... probably my favourite.
0207 on the other hand annoys me... fan behaviour has been mostly sporadic.

ASUS M6800Ne, P-M 1.5 Dothan, 512MB Ram, Tohiba Combo drive, Samsung Spinpoint M 40G HDD with 8M cache, Mobility Radeon 9700

 

Wait no I never claimed it was great. I was replying to a question about the m5n. In that case the older bios was better. With the m6n all the new bios as far as i know made minor changes in temp readings and added some support for new features. Stick to the new bios with m6n. Do you have a 2915 or 2200 wifi card? Did the 0211 bios enable full support for 2915 if you have that?

 

Yep
this is what i was trying to explain before. Its not the fan that acts sporatic its the temprature compensation that changes with every bios. I am pretty sure the r&d at asus know what they are doing when new bios comes out get it.

 

the new BIOSes are okay for the M6... although the VERY latest one is a little odd.
I want 0206 back [ ]

ASUS M6800Ne, P-M 1.5 Dothan, 512MB Ram, Tohiba Combo drive, Samsung Spinpoint M 40G HDD with 8M cache, Mobility Radeon 9700

 

What version do you have now? I see that 0211 is available for download. DId you try that?

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Geared2play.com
What version do you have now? I see that 0211 is available for download. DId you try that?<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'></font id='quote'></blockquote id='quote'>
Wrong computer. 0211 is for the M6N/M6Ne.

My M6BNe came with 0204 and I had a bit of a problem with the PROSet software vs. resuming from standby. 0205 fixed that. My temps/fan operation have been fine from the start. I do not want to flash to 0206 or 0207 since the mess with that and you can't flash an older BIOS over a newer one.


...........Peter

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http://www.notebookreview.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5722
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?p=426053#post426053
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1024MB Corsair, 60GB 7,200rpm, DVD+/-R/RW
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Wrong again. 0211 is for M6N/M6BN
THe newest one on the global ASUS site is 0205.. and that's for the M6Ne/M6BNe

I want 0206[xx(]

ASUS M6800Ne, P-M 1.5 Dothan, 512MB Ram, Tohiba Combo drive, Samsung Spinpoint M 40G HDD with 8M cache, Mobility Radeon 9700

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by AuroraS

 

I was going to say, 0211 is not for our M6BNe's that we have. 0206 is the latest, waiting for a new one to confirm my suspicions.

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by pstrisik

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Geared2play.com
I do belive 0207 is the one that provides full support for 2915abg wifi cards or maybee not. If 0211 is not for m6n"s then anyone have any idea why its listed there for the m6ne?<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'></font id='quote'></blockquote id='quote'>

Where are you seeing that? Both the North America and Taiwan sites shows 0205 as the latest for the "e" series:
http://www.asus.com.tw/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=M6Ne
http://www.asus.com/support/download/item.aspx?ModelName=M6Ne


...........Peter

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ASUS M6BNe - My reviews:
http://www.notebookreview.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5722
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?p=426053#post426053
1.7GB Dothan w/AS5, 15.4" WXGA, ATI 9700/64MB
1024MB Corsair, 60GB 7,200rpm, DVD+/-R/RW
Intel PRO/Wireless 2200bg, WinXP Pro SP2

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by Redcoolie
I was going to say, 0211 is not for our M6BNe's that we have. 0206 is the latest, waiting for a new one to confirm my suspicions.
<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'></font id='quote'></blockquote id='quote'>
Actually, 0207a is the latest.
ftp://ftp.asuscom.de/pub/NOTEBOOK/M6x00NE/


...........Peter

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ASUS M6BNe - My reviews:
http://www.notebookreview.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5722
http://notebookforums.com/showthread.php?p=426053#post426053
1.7GB Dothan w/AS5, 15.4" WXGA, ATI 9700/64MB
1024MB Corsair, 60GB 7,200rpm, DVD+/-R/RW
Intel PRO/Wireless 2200bg, WinXP Pro SP2

 

I do belive 0207 is the one that provides full support for 2915abg wifi cards or maybee not. If 0211 is not for m6n"s then anyone have any idea why its listed there for the m6ne?

 

In september of 2004 i would say dead pixels were very common for the m6n. I ve never seen more then one on a laptop. In september it was more like every single notebook had one. Then it stopped. Now i would say maybee 3% have a dead pixel maybee less maybee more. Its hard to speculate as some can be easily visible sub pixels others can be deadpixels. People make too much fuss about it. I ve seen them all. On a hi res screen they are imposible to see unless you are looking for them in moving or still frames unless the frame is one color like black or white. On lower res screens like xga they are more easily seen as the pixel are bigger.

 

0207 is the next bios soon to be released which will provide full support for 2915 unless they decide not to support it which is horrible becuase then people will start complaining that their wifi led indicator and off key does not work. That is the current problem The current bios does not have full support for 2915 but i belive asus is aware of that.

 

That's sad. I bought my M6Ne in september and I have 2 dead sub-pixels... one green and one red.

I've grown used to them though...

ASUS M6800Ne, P-M 1.5 Dothan, 512MB Ram, Tohiba Combo drive, Samsung Spinpoint M 40G HDD with 8M cache, Mobility Radeon 9700

 

<blockquote id='quote'> quote:<hr height='1' noshade id='quote'>Originally posted by pstrisik

 

Many people have flashed the 0207 BIOS. In fact, a few of us M6 users on this board are using it right now... like me.

ASUS M6800Ne, P-M 1.5 Dothan, 512MB Ram, Tohiba Combo drive, Samsung Spinpoint M 40G HDD with 8M cache, Mobility Radeon 9700

 

Ok then can someone please tell me if it has full support for the 2915abg card? In otherwords does the led and fn+f2 key work?

 

Yep - been using the 2915's in the M6's since thanksgiving. The newest bios should give you that functionality.

J

Thanks,
Justin
PROPortable
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Hi to all!!
Specially to geared2play, ive got an M6726NELH, and im quite happy with the machine, but i have read this six pages here about this post and i am one of those people whose cpu temperature goes to 90º and the the fun turns on an goes to 85º (thats what the asus pc probe says). Now im sure i have to upgrade my BIOS, but in the official web page for spain, the latest version for the M6Ne is the 0205 ?????¿¿¿¿¿?????, an not the 0206 or 0207.001 like you talk here!!!
Can anybody help me to find the right version??
Thank you a lot (ive bought this machine the monday and here in spain its sunday and i want to know if this is wrong or what)
THANKS A LOT.
PD: we have a post in other web page (in spanish)where we talk about this computer and this "problem" (about the 20 page. If you want to check this and want to see or help to a few new users of the machine youre welcome:

http://www.forospc.com/forophp/viewtopic.php?t=97967

Thank you again

 

hi yoyoba

If I were you, I'd try to upgrade to 0206... it's a great BIOS. If that doesn't help, then I'd consider going up to 0207.

ASUS M6800Ne, P-M 1.5 Dothan, 512MB Ram, Tohiba Combo drive, Samsung Spinpoint M 40G HDD with 8M cache, Mobility Radeon 9700

 

Do not get the 0207 yett. I still cant find o206 except the german site. 0206 has been out for a while but not yett on the mirror. Try 0205. That one was good as far as i remember. When you say fan does not turn on until 85c. Does it not turn on perion or does it spin really slow? At 85c if that was the real temp your lap should feel incredibly hott.

 

Ok as i ve discussed before i think there is a problem with a flase reading. Does your cpu heatsink reach 90C it may or may not. Until you measure the temp of the heatsink you will never know. 90C is still well below the threshhold of this cpu (100C). Based on what you just said i think you are right minus a few details. The fan on the m6bne atleast with 0206 bios spins so slowly that you cannot hear or feel it. That may possible explain why it keeps going down when you are not working. The cpu produces enough heat even in idle to raise the heatsink well above 100C. I dont see how you would be able to start dropping temp from 80 to below without the fan being on. Are you sure its not spinning when the temp is dropping? You can return it to the shop but they will tell you the same thing most vendors would. 90C for centrino is not overheating. WHat i would do if i were you is take that thing appart and make sur they peeled off the little square paper that is on the heatsink when its new. Make sure the screws were tighttened. Try the gherman site for 0206 see if that helps.

 

My BIOS version (the one who cmae with the computer) is the 0205, so its the same that is in the official web page.
Ill tel how this work (always as the PC-Probe says).
Gaming or doing hard work with the proccesor (ive open an excel document and have done a lot of numeric calculous to make a check), the temperature goes increasing till this arrives to the 90 (yes, ninety) degrees, then the fun turns on at 4000rpm for a little seconds, and the temperature decrease to the 83, more or less,and if i keep working hard this repeats once and again...if i stop the hard work or gaming it keeps on going down (70 ´s or 60´s where not only good years...mine computer temp too[ ]). And thats what happens.
IN our spanish forum, there are people with this same problem, and they contact ASUS, and they send them the 0207.001, wich i think is a BETA version, isn´t it? So i went to the official page and saw that the latest version was the 0205, that is the mine.........[xx(]
so now i dont know what to do...may be i should return it to the shop? why there are versions in a country and not in the others? I think this is not too serious for a company like ASUS, in wich i trusted (like in the dollars say)
(Sorry about my bad english...a lot of time without practice[ ])

 

How can i do that? Is the "Heatsink" the cover?
What screws do you mean?

P.D. (About the fun) I just say what Asus pc-probe says. Till it reaches 90 degrees, the fun is OFF, when 90 are reached, the "off" indicator disspears and appears "4000 rpm" for a few seconds, and it decrease the temp to 85-83 degrees, starting a cicle again.

Thank u again

 

Ok
Email me requesting the pdf dissasembly file. I ll reply with an attachment which you can download. My email [email protected]