Merom Wave 1

looks like the first wave of merom is just around the corner! they say july 23 is the date. heres the article:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/07/17/intel_merom_price_plan/

 

PLEASE understand that it will take about two months from the "Intel release date" to actually get them shipping in notebooks.

Haven't we learned by now that the projected dates are almost never met?

How about the W3J, A8Jm, W2J, Z96J...you know I could go on and on...

 

Agree with Donald -- release date starts with oem's in the 1000 lots. Availability in mainstream notebooks is another delay entirely, and then there's the issue of when regular retailers like NewEgg might be getting their fingers on some for sale to the general public..... it's going to be a while guys. Try and be patient, we all are anxious with you .

 

I wish people would just realize that release dates almost mean nothing and that they are just getting their hopes up so that they can be crushed in the end. Its really annoying to read this thread 10 times a day.

 

Not only are you guys all jerks, but you missed the point. This release date is earlier than any of the previous expected dates mentioned so far. This is also a short term forecast which tends to be more accurated than a 6 month prediction. Speaking of accuracy, they even mentioned exact day of release... Did any of you know the day Merom was being released??? Thats what I thought. It's also, apparently, an "Intel Leak" meaning they didnt publish that information just to dissapoint us.

I'd like to personally thank Mr. Shadow85 (if that's your real name) for bringing me this tasty morsal of speculative information that my brain has been craiving for months.

As for the rest of you, quit whining before I call the waambulance!

 

Mikeoo17, there is really nothing that needs to be said about your rudeness, and your apparent total misunderstanding of the reality of how this industry works. These things are apparent from the face value of your post.

However I for one don't appreciate that fact that you exhibit this kind of discourteous behavior in a public forum, so I will make this one small comment from which we all hope you might learn something.

The only redemptive value in your post is that fortunately others who are much more aware of how things really work will read your post and just chalk it and your avatar up to the fact that you were raised by wolves and don't really belong in polite society.

 

I believe what they are saying is that even though Intel will release Merom next week, it won't make its way into consumers hands, chip or notebook, for a few months. I don't think the manufacturers actually have the chips and are just waiting for the ok. I could be wrong, but it will likely be a couple months.

 

That is correct. What OEMs and some resellers have right now are called engineering samples, they are not production processors.

This happens every time a new processor is "released" by Intel. You may see them on the shelves of retailers in box form fairly soon after the release (a month or so) but you won't see them integrated into custom built laptops for some time after that. Besides, Intel is still trying to fire sale their single core Sonoma processors at Celeron prices to the major brands. Watch the major brands come out starting about next month with sub $1,000 "bargain" laptops with the single core Sonoma processors.

Now, who is going to be in any hurry to integrate Merom when there are so many Sonoma and Yonah processors still in the channel?

 

You won't see them in the distribution channel for at least another month, but they will pop up

 

More like half a year. Yonah was anounced in early january is it? All asus notebooks came out 5-6 months later. z62f was out 2 months but who cares. If the merom makes it to the market before december 2006 on a wide scale from all manufactuters and all models call me surprised.

 

You wont see them for another 5 months. We should have a pool going. I bet 20$ on march 2007 for mass production in the STATES.

 

I think that's pretty uncalled for. The others were just responding to the original post and not trying to start a flame war or name calling games.

 

I got my Yonah V6J in early April (in the Netherlands) so in roughly 3 months after early january. And they were for sale about half a month earlier than I bought it.

 

yes,
but if last time we waited 3 months for a new technology, how many months you think we are going to wait for a new cpu on the same mainboard?

i bet that Dell will sell merom notebooks by the end of August

And maybe Asus is going to sell the same models (w2, a6, z96 ecc) with a merom for somewhere near October.

 

According to Asus here in Sweden, they have delayed the release of the W1J here in Sweden from July to September in order to release it with a Merom CPU.
I'm pretty sure you'll see quite a few notebooks with a Merom CPU before 2007!

 

Quote: "The only redemptive value in your post is that fortunately others who are much more aware of how things really work will read your post and just chalk it and your avatar up to the fact that you were raised by wolves and don't really belong in polite society."

Actually, wolves do a really good job of raising their young. The whole pack pitches in and takes care of them. Contrast that to how some humans raise their young: some fathers abandon their kids or beat them, some parents make meth in their homes, some moms drink and drug during and after pregnancy, etc. All is all, the wolves do a superior job.

 

I don't know, and I don't wish to take sides in the dispute I just offerred a sample of data.

 

LOL!!! Priceless.

I think everyone needs to relax a lil now that you you all got the point!

I didnt see that Shadow85's thread was getting the respect it deserved and made it clear how I felt. I saw a lot of arrogance and belittleing going on in the first few post's (Clearskies exempt) which was not at all called for. I personally don't want to see a thread go unpublished in the future because the potential author is afraid everyone will imply that they're stupid! I like this forum a lot, so please don't turn this forum into "one of those" forums where everyone gets catty for no particular reason.

=============

To expand on what I was saying earlier, if you can measure 2 months, 4-5 months, half a year from the release date, then knowing that release date is important!

I'm going to be optimistic and hope for a 2 month release of a new Merom packed Asus 14.1" Ensemble. Earn a couple extra dollars between now and late September for the new premium product and hope nothing slows the process.

 

I'm not going to argue your posts too much because there is no reason to waste my time. You have proven the whole point with this last post. The range of when we get it has been from 2-6 months, with no real reliability. So, if thats the case, how does the release date matter? I will concede that if Asus said, we will deliver notebooks four months after new processor release, this would be an academic thread. In the mean time, it isn't anything more than a bunch of people speculating and getting hopes up. The reason it bothers me is the fact that there are at least 3 questions a day about when Merom is going to be available. You say yourself that you like the forums, so you should appreciate not having to read and answer the same thing three times. I know that lately I have had more time to be on the forums, and it is pretty annoying when people just make a thread because it is easier.

 

I agree and apologize for a poorly selected analogy. I probably should have used cockroaches or mosquitoes.

His subsequent post only proves the point with more emphasis.

 

you are all wrong. merom laptops will totally be out in august

 

What is that supposed to mean? If they come out in Aug OK then. Oh noes, I have a 20% slower notebook.....CoreDuo is still a fast processor and personally when the time comes to get Merom(which will be 3-4 yrs from now), then I will get the speed. Right now I could get a Merom when it comes out, but the speed and capability im getting right now is way above my exepectations and I dont feel the need to upgrade.

 

I bet we see them at newegg, etc by Mid August. Intel kicked themselves in the balls by announcing Conroe and making its current processors look like POS's. Sales promptly dropped off precipitously and I don't think, for the sake of their stock, they'll let another month pass with sales continuing to drop. Especially not with the AMD 50% price cuts on X2s which go into effect in a week....ouch.

 

Bhatman has it right. This really doesn't matter. It will come out, people will buy it, life will go on. Andrewh shows the absurdity of this -

- anyone can sepculate about this and we get into these worthless fights about august or January, when we could all spend our time and brain power doing something worthwhile.

 

You are certainly entitled to your opinion...but to negative rep me for my post is a little vindictive isn't it? There was no reason for that.

A quick lesson in negative (or positive) reping people...if you have no points, or in your case you have negative points, your reps don't have any effect, either positive or negaitve.

Now, you can continue to be an argumentative insulting person, or you can try to learn some manners and be contributive to this forum...your choice...but you live with the consequences.

 

Well, MacBook Pro notebooks will be released with Merom processors in August

As for ASUS notebooks, you will not see any ensemble notebooks with Merom processors until at least the November time frame. The first models released from ASUS will be the high end notebooks, followed by the mainstream models. However, all the current Napa platform notebooks will be Merom compatible once BIOS updates are made available.

 

I'm now negatively repped for arguing with you a couple times. Very odd.

 

Check who did the negative reps for you. It was not me.

Please have the honesty and courage to come back here and report that those negative reps did not come from me.

Besides, you are quoting from my post quoting and talking to Mikeoo17. Are you both the same person?

Falsely accusing me of giving you negative reps is just about enough justification to go ahead and do it. You know, accuse me of something I didn't do...what is the downside then of doing it?

Come on now, tell the truth!

 

Ok.......? Just informing everyone of whats the news on merom is. Dont really want things to get heated up. Everyone has a right to there opinion but I think these forums were meant for sharing and helping each other, and I right? We are talking about wave 1. These meroms will fit in to napa notebooks. Everyone seems to be looking to far ahead where santa rosa will carry wave 2 meroms in notebooks.

We are all excited about merom so lets keep it cool =).

 

Sorry if my thread caused any confusion. I will try to be more careful next time.

 

Thanks for the cool down

However the comments here are for the Merom with the NAPA chipset (Intel 945), not the Santa Rosa.

The Santa Rosa chipset will not be out until well into 2007, so you can rest assured that the comments in this thread have been about the pending "release" of the Merom for NAPA and how long it will take from "release" to "integration" and ship dates.

 

mmmm...Merom! Obviously, this Merom is not in an ASUS notebook. It's in a Dell. A very fast Dell!

 

It is not "Obviously..." in any particular notebook.

So, this is a CPU-Z screen shot using an engineering sample?

 

I said that it is obviously NOT in an ASUS notebook, given that ASUS has not released and BIOS updates to support Merom.

Yes, it is an engineering sample, hence the ES (Engineering Sample) suffix.

 

See, your logic makes no sense.

The prefix shows it was an engineering sample which means that it could have easily been in an ASUS, Compal, or ANY test unit laptop. So there was nothing obvious about it...not even that it was in a test unit for DELL...the only thing that was obvious is that it was not in ANY production model that has been released by anyone.

 

I can't wait!

 

Donald, it is VERY obvious that the processor was not in an ASUS notebook because none of the ASUS notebooks currently support Merom. I would expect you, an ASUS notebook reseller, to know this since you should know what the notebooks you sell can or cannot support. It has also been posted numerous times in this forum that ASUS has not released any BIOS updates that support Merom. This is why it is obvious that the Merom was not in an ASUS notebook.

In regards to the ES prefix (which is actually a suffix), the Engineering Sample spec in CPU-Z refers to the processor, not the notebook. Are you familiar with the program? If not, I can send you a download link. Correct, it was not obvious that it was in Dell. That is why I specified that it was.

FYI - Even the folks at ASUS US don't have any Merom notebooks.

 

Noobified...put on your thinking cap and pull it down tightly.

Since it is an engineering sample in a TEST machine there is no reason to assume that it could not have been an ASUS or any other TEST machine.

As a matter of fact you are claiming it is in a Dell machine. Now, is this a RELEASED Dell machine or a TEST Dell machine?

Since Merom has not yet been released, and it was OBVIOUSLY an engineering sample, it must have been an engineering sample in a test laptop, and could have been in any test laptop...including an ASUS. As you say..CPU-Z refers only to the processor...not the notebook.

Those who can think will realize that an engineering sample of a processor not yet released could be in any manufacturer's test machine. The fact that ASUS has not RELEASED a new BIOS is not relavent to your argument that it OBVIOUSLY was not in an ASUS model.

I am sure you are not saying that ASUS does not already have Merom engineering samples in testing are you? Even resellers have them for testing now.

Sheesh man...this debate is over.

 

Really? You have a Merom capable ASUS notebook in your possession? That is news to me. If you do, then you are one of the VERY few, if any.

If one follows your line of thinking, one can also assume that the processor was installed in a space shuttle. In order to be more specific and to help those, such as yourself, to better understand my post, I will amend my comment and say that it is obvious that the processor was not in a current production ASUS notebook. Is that better for you?

The Dell unit in which the Merom was installed is also a current production notebook.

Right, this debate is over. Now, let's go back to posting more informative posts that actually benefit other forum members. If you have anymore issues, please feel free to PM me, or you can create a paladin44 and Noobified thread so that people don't have to read our little debates while searching through threads for actual useful information.

 

Noobified,

You are perhaps the most illogical person that has ever attempted to prove something. First, you said that this is clearly an engineering sample. If it is an engineering sample, why the hell would it be in a production model? Paladin isn't saying its in any computer in particular, he is just saying it is some test model, not certainly a dell. Think about what you say more next time.

 

Uhh, because Intel sent just the processors, not test units? Maybe, just maybe? And because of that, we used a current production model. Is that possible? I think so. Think man, think! Please use your logic

 

Wow,

According to your earlier post, it couldn't be put into other computers. You said there was no way that Paladin could have an Asus capable of Merom, but if you are using a current production model (and not lying or using the wrong word) than why couldn't he have been right?

 

WOW!!! Please reread the posts. I never indicated that I was using a production ASUS notebook. It's in a Dell, a DELL! And not being able to install the processor into other computers? Where did that come from? I only indicated that it would not work in a current production ASUS notebook.

 

Hmmm, where did you indicate "...that it would not work in a current production ASUS notebook."?

Maybe you should go back and start with reading what you wrote in the first place, and then read with understanding this time what I wrote. I carefully distinguished between test machines and released (i.e. current production) machines...

You never did, and that is what we have been talking about, and why your first post and all subsequent posts did not make any sense.

 

I am going to make this as easy as possible for you Noob,

You have two choices from what you have posted:

1. The processor is an engineering sample in a test notebook. This would mean that the notebook hasn’t been released and the notebook could be from any company. We all know that no one has official support for Merom. We do know that Dell and Asus will both release notebooks that support Merom, so they must be working on them. This means that if it is a test notebook, why the hell would it obviously be anything? This is where the argument started, and probably where it will end.
2. If you don’t think your first statements were right, your other option to accept that you said that this was a current production model notebook. A current production model, as has been said several times is a computer I can have shipped to me now and that I can use tomorrow. You said specifically that you are using a “current production model”. If that were true, than Merom would be supported by current Yonah laptops. That means that I have a laptop that could run the engineering sample, that you probably own a laptop that would support the engineering sample, and that Donald has a laptop that supports the engineering sample.

If you are at all confused by this, start by rereading your posts, and then try to get out of the way of your ego. It is simple, you were wrong with what you posted, let it go. Have a nice day. (P.S., if you really think Dell is so good and you want to be a Dell fanboy, do that in the Dell forum, none of us care about that)

 

OMG wow....chill out guys, its an ES and theres no clear indication that its a Dell or Asus. Its in a notebook that is being used to test the capabilities of the new processor(which is awesome BTW). There is a user on NBR that has put a ES Merom in a S96j and it worked(look at post; http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=66018 and also has a beta BIOS not released yet).

 

I have indicated that it would not work in a current production several times in numerous threads. Please search my posts. That was the whole point of me using the word "obviously." I have stated serveral times, ASUS has not released BIOS updates for any of their notebooks for Merom support.

I have personally tested the Merom processor in an S96J and Z96J. Neither will properly detect the L2 cache, hence the Microcode Error.

And Caleb, it is very difficult to respond to your posts because you are not even interpreting mine properly, often misquoting me. The processor is running in a current production notebook that you can order right now. It is made by Dell, not ASUS. Also, the purpose of my initial quote was to just show the Merom screenshot. I do like Dell notebooks, as well as ASUS, Compal, Quanta, you name it. Please don't take offense that I installed the Merom into a Dell. If it makes you feel better, I can install it into a Compal

 

Bhatman is right. Lets all calm down. Please start a different thread if you plan to argue some more. Everyone has the right to there opinion. Lets respect each others input =)

 

The reason you can't respond to my posts is because you know if you do you will be proven wrong. Oops.

 

No, it's because you cannot read proper English. Anyway, Merom is great, but to those of you thinking about holding off on your notebook purchase until it's available, don't bother. Just buy that notebook you want now and upgrade later!