Merom Wave 1

Which is why I am paid to debate. Must be it. Once you are ready to admit your fault, go for it. In the mean time, stop confusing people that are just looking for/giving others useful advice.

 

I think this arguing crap is enough and the problem is solved, but no offense but this REALLY has to stop.(can we get a mod to lock this thing?)

 

I am sorry Noobi but we are only addressing your posts in this thread.

We should not be charged with searching all of your posts in numerous threads just to interpret your poorly posed comments here.

Your arguments are specious ( http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/specious) and wander all over the place with no consistency.

My post #44 shows that you say one thing, and then claim you have said another...we can all read...and we don't need to wander around to all of your posts in other threads with a broom and dust pan just to try to figure out what you are saying. Either say it correctly straight out, or when you have made a mistake have the courage to graciously admit it instead of getting personal and insulting others while trying to blame them for your mistake.

Take responsibility for your mistaken comment and let's move on.

 

Donald, you do a pretty good job of quoting people from other threads, so it shouldn't be an issue for you

 

chill out guys.....no need to debate about symantics. let's try to keep this informative instead of arguing.

 

horray! i will conform accordingly and post the following link which speaks of "best buy", "August" and "Core 2 Duo" (and so marks 200 posts)

 

The article says that the Conroe version Core 2 Duo systems that will become available in early August will be in desktop PCs only.

They will not be offering laptops with the Merom Core 2 Duo until later.

The article also says:
"It's unclear how many Core 2 Duo chips will be available at the outset, since it usually takes a few weeks to a month before a new chip is available in large volumes."

 

yep. also "Intel reported Wednesday that inventory rose a bit more than Wall Street had expected during its second quarter. The company said that was due to the earlier-than-expected production of Core 2 Duo chips in advance of the launch."

 

I'll find out the estimated shipping dates for Merom in the distribution channel on Monday, whether or not it has in fact been moved up. Everything has been very hectic lately with the launch of Conroe.

 

The point is that the Merom Core 2 Duo product release date isn't even set yet (it is on the Intel price list as July 23rd...but there isn't any product other than the engineering samples yet)...only the Conroe Core 2 Duo will be available on Monday the 24th...so all this speculation about when Merom will be released is a bit premature.

The best word we have from Intel at this time is that the Merom Core 2 Duo product release date is sometime between 8-20-06 and 9-16-06...and then we wait "...since it usually takes a few weeks to a month before a new chip is available in large volumes."

The bottom line still remains that you will not see the production version of the Merom Core 2 Duo in laptops until at LEAST September, and the ASUS Ensemble laptops will be even later.

 

Actually, it's not premature speculation. Updated ship dates for Merom have been announced, and like I stated earlier, I will have that information for you on Monday.

And as far as production Core 2 Duo laptops until September, I assume you are referring to preconfigured notebooks like ASUS Ensemble notebooks? As for whitebox notebooks, they will be advertised as Core 2 Duo notebooks as long as their BIOS supports it, like the the current Compals. Merom Core 2 Duo processors will be available before September, and resellers like yourself will be able to sell Core 2 Duo notebooks once the processors are released.

 

Thank you for your effort, but I think I will rely on information that we get directly from Intel and our Intel distributors instead of an anonymous avatar who won't even identify their credentials.

The Intel distributors do not have any stock or SKUs for Merom in their systems at this time, nor do they have any allocations from Intel for them, or any date from Intel as to when they will get allocations or stock.

You won't get any better verifiable information than that on Monday, even from Paul Otellini.

At least I can identify who we are, and our sources, and as Intel Premier Channel Partners our sources are sound.

 

That's fine, Donald. Maybe others will find my information useful. Keep up the great work

 

In the end who really cares? There is nothing we can do but wait either way, they will be here when they get here.....end of story.
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ok guys on the dell's forum i found this link:
http://www.dell.com/content/product...5?c=us&cs=19&l=en&s=dhs&~section=specs#tabtop

dell is setting up to start selling merom notebooks
this is the dell's post
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=66492

Paladin44 it seems to me that you dont want merom to come out, why is that?
1-you have a lot of core duo to sell?
2-you beleive that as an "Intel Premier Channel Partners" you should know before purchasers when it will be out?

In both cases i think you are right, intel should inform you, as a reseller, when they are going to release a new chip.

But don't mind us, we are hoping for a faster release of the merom and we have a lot of news that let us think that way

 

Its not as important for intel to inform resellers as it is for them to inform manufacturers. Resellers do need up to date information to advertise and help their customers decide on what they need, but it is more important for manufacturers to have detailed information so that they can design their products and actually get laptops using new processors to market.

Dell is usually one of the first manufacturers to release products using new technology so its not unexpected that people have found info on their website about merom. However, actual merom release dates are still unclear and when the release dates on laptop with merom are even fuzzier.

Like always...if you need a laptop now then buy it, but if you can wait then wait. There will always be some new product on the verge of release, for example...even after merom is released, its true power can't really be realized without the Santa Rosa platform which wont come out after a few months after merom. So even merom comes out you'll be tempted to play the waiting game for Santa Rosa, then, you'll be tempted to play the waiting game for windows vista, and who knows whats next. So, if you can wait, wait, but if not, then just buy what you need now.

 

Just my opinion: Resellers should definitely find out when a new processor is coming out before an official announcement is made. However, when resellers find out consumers also tend to find out since information like this spreads quickly. Basically, there really is no difference between when resellers and consumers find out since as soon as resellers find out it gets leaked to the public and then consumers find out, and all of this happens before intels official announcement.

 

you are right.
but actually the topic "if you need buy it" is less true than ever.

I know i will buy a w2jc and not a merom but last week it was priced 2350€, yesterday it was 2106€ and probably next week will be 2000€. (even less if dell starts advertising core 2 duo).

I need a notebook, but i will work on my girlfriend old note for a week.

It will be nice to have the notebook "right now" but 350€(around 450$) are nice too

Of course if with a new notebook you can earn 500$ this week and you cant without it...

 

Dont expect price drops everyweek, they happen once every couple of months and there usually isnt more than 1 price drop for a specific model. Also, manufacturers won't drop their prices based on an impending CPU release; just because merom is 'officially' released doesnt mean that a manufacturer is going to have a laptop with merom right away. Especially for Asus it usually takes a couple months to refresh all their models so merom's release won't translate into immediate price drops.

 

well see, anyway if thats the case i saved just 250€

 

Just to throw a little more fuel on the fire, I wanted to point out that Intel has already begun shipping Meroms. There's a lot of speculation that Apple will have it in their Macbook Pro imminently (i.e. the day of launch) and I'm just hoping despite their history of slow integration into their systems, Asus can get their act together and get some Merom equipped notebooks out in the next couple of months.

~ Brett

 

You will see Apple come out with Macbook Pros equipped with Merom processors before any other notebook reseller.

 

Well if it "seems" to you that I don't want it to come out you are simply misinterpreting what I have said.

Intel Premier Channel Partners do know many things long before they become public, and even before Registered and Associate Channel Members...but that is not the point here.

All I have tried to do here is give the benefit of not only years of experience, but also first hand knowledge of what is really happening, and likely to happen.

It isn't about what I might hope for...the only ones "hoping" here appear to be some of you who read a tid bit here or there and then interpret it to mean what you want it to mean. I simply caution you to be careful how you interpret what you read, and the source of what you read. Credentials are required to determine credibility. Just because someone makes a post here doesn't make it credible and reliable, and unless you can identify their credentials you have no way of judging its reliability.

The only thing that matters is when the Intel distributors get the Merom processors in their warehouses. Period.

You can point to news articles, Intel financial reports, other websites or anything else you want to, but that does not put the Merom processor in the distributors warehouses, or in to your hands, any sooner.

If you want to hope for things unseen, that is faith, and I admire that. But don't criticize me for telling you the truth, and the truth is "The Intel distributors do not have any stock or SKUs for Merom in their systems at this time, nor do they have any allocations from Intel for them, or any date from Intel as to when they will get allocations or stock."

Therefore all the rest is speculation. We have been down this path of misinformation, rumor and speculation many times before. Underpantman said it best:

 

I agree that the arrival of Merom chips in the actual distribution channel will be based solely on Intel's timetable but all I hoped to provide through my link was an indication that progress has been made from the company itself. I'm not predicting a day or month we'll see the first laptops with the chip inside but I still think it's nice for consumers to have an idea of where we are in getting it. Also, the earnings report I provided is not from one of the rumor-mill websites which makes its money off buzz and speculation; it's an important document from Intel for investors in the company and the marketplace as a whole. When Intel states that something is "shipping now", I'll take their word for it over anyone else's. It helps consumers make an informed decision on the timetable of upcoming technologies. It just seems a little to drastic to say "it will be here when it's here" when actual information is floating around. I only wish the distributors here who have the information would be more willing to share it instead of brushing off the scant information we are able to find. After all, in all probability we're going to be buying a computer from you guys and the only question is when.

~ Brett

 

sorry paladin if i misinterpreted what you were saying, you were looking too much tempered for a new cpu topic, but i was wrong..My fault.

Anyway intel officially announced the release of the merom for the 23, lets see how long we have to wait to see it in the shops.

 

To Nrbelex and anklud...

anklud, I appreciate and admire your courage and your grace in saying you were wrong and offering your apology. It wasn't really necessary, but it is accepted and of course all is forgiven. Others could take a lesson from you, and hopefully they will.

Nrbelex, it is not that distributors are withholding information, it is that Intel gives off these signals...it is called "leaking" in Washington...but when you look to the only place that holds the truth which is the distributor's shelves, they are and continue to be empty. Conroe and Merom have both been touted by Intel to be "released" on the 23rd...that means they are put on the Intel pricelist. Then there is the "launch" date which is the date dealers can start advertising them. Then there is the actual allocation and delivery to the 12 US distributors which is when we can start building and shipping to the end user.

The "Woodcrest" which is the Xeon version of the new generation processors was "launched" on June 26th, but the 12 US distributors are just now getting inventory.

The Conroe "launch" date is the 27th of July, not the 23rd.

And finally, once more I say "The Intel distributors do not have any stock or SKUs for Merom in their systems at this time, nor do they have any allocations from Intel for them, or any date from Intel as to when they will get allocations or stock."

At this point both Intel and the US Intel distributors are telling us their best estimate of when the Merom processors will become available on the distributors shelves is between August 20 and September 16th.

There simply is no better source for real "on the ground" information than that.

 

I think its all settled. Just wanted to share some information with everyone, and you guys made me feel ****ty and dumb. thanks.

 

shadow85, there is no reason for you to feel that way...

There is nothing wrong with your original post, and it reported that state of affairs accurately. "looks like the first wave of merom is just around the corner! they say july 23 is the date."

However through this discussion about what it means when Intel "releases" something and puts a date on their price sheet, as opposed to what it means to actually get that product on distributors shelves, many readers have become enlightened ...including yourself I hope.

 

See! Told you... Jerks... I want my rep point back now!

 

Um, you deserve another negative. Don't come on here and call people jerks because they have opinions too.

 

Well After all that is sorted I think there are some lessons to be learnt.

It was pretty clear though the length of the thread that not everyone knows as much about what they were saying as they think they did, compunded by the fact that people here are very quick to flame without reading someone's full post. A lot of arguing went on over simple incorrect use of words, when you knew fully what they meant.

For those of you who would like to know a little bit more about Merom in the current NAPA platform, and other engeneering samples (Woodcrest , conroe, Klienfield etc) please visit www.xtremesystems.org/forums to discuss that further and to see the results.

I was also very dissapointed to see senior members not being able to handle themselves as an adult. If You dont want an argument, have the maturity not to sling insults back. You should know better not to 'shoot' down new commers, they might educate you later on.
Just because they are new doesnt mean that they dont know more about something than you might. No doubt you may know your fair share about ASUS notebooks, but just remember that ASUS are slow to the plate with the latest tech, several month behind infact. Dont limit yourself to ASUS tech.

Question tho, where were the forum mods??? this should have been stopped ages ago. Doesnt look good for the ASUS forum to see what nice kind welcoming peeps we just were


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Jonathan

 

The latest update directly from Intel is that the Merom Core 2 Duo processors will be on the Intel US Distributor's shelves on Monday August 28th. The supply will be constrained until the end of the Quarter (end of September). All US Distributors will only get a small alloctation on August 28th.

If this holds true, and giving time for building, testing and a 48-72 hour burn in time we should begin shipping our Intel 945 chipset based laptops with the new Merom processors by September 1st.

While the launch date is July 27th, there is a shipping embargo until August 28th for the T5600, T7200, T7400 and T7600. The T5500 will be embargoed for an additional 2-3 weeks and will (should) arrive on the US Distributor's shelves in late September.

 

The pricing for the Merom Core 2 Duo processors will be the same as the Yonah Core Duo processors, with the addition of the T7600 at 2.33GHz which will be at the top price level which is about $235-250 above the T2600 and T7400 (2.16GHz).

 

Intel is aiming to ship Meroms by Week 34. Distributors have not gotten any firm shipment dates, so they will still report a September/October shipment date until Intel confirms. Intel reps are often very optimistic when reporting dates to their resellers, but let's keep our fingers crossed.

Distributors should have SKUs set up within the next week.

 

Pretty much sums up how i feel. thanks for posting. oops! dont not reply. =)

 

this may sound idiotic, but how big is the difference in perfomance between Core 2 duo and Core duo?

 

around 20-25% ish.... guess it depends what application you are using tho....

@shadow85, thanks


Insane

 

Thread closed upon request.... I was monitoring this thread, it was on the edge of acceptable, but in the purpose of free speach I left it open, but as many have requested its ending, so be it!
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